metabolic damage= weight gain while in deficit???
taylorblade
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How can this be? How does that happen?
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It cannot be and does not happen.0
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kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
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kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know0 -
Didn't happen to me even after literally after decades after alternately starving and binging, and even with thyroid disease.
I eat at a reasonable and do-able deficit, I lose weight.0 -
People with a history of low calorie diets (eating disorder or long term VLCDs) can and do have metabolic adaptation. Meaning that their body does start to burn fewer calories than before. But this adaptation is small (only a few hundred calories at most) and they can still create a calorie deficit. Its just that their deficit is at a lower calorie goal than it was before. It's not like they can eat 400 calories and gain weight or anything. This adaptation is not something that is going to happen on accident.
If you're gaining weight, you're not in a deficit. Period. If people could gain weight in deficits, no one would ever starve to death.0 -
taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?0 -
Not quite. It means that your calculated calorie expenditure could be overstated, and you think you are in a deficit based on projected values, but in reality you are not. CICO still applies; the problem is that your CO is much lower than the predictive model output.
Only ways I know of to determine your true CO is to have your metabolism tested in a lab or record your calories in and weight changes over time and use those values to calculate an equilibrium point.0 -
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
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It's true he'd be able to see swelling and that kind of thing, but you can't tell how well a thyroid gland is functioning by just looking at someone's neck. He probably just thinks there is nothing wrong since it sounds like you don't have any other health issues-- thyroid dysfunction usually has a number of symptoms. Plus, thyroid dysfunction in a young man is unusual.
Is the photo in your profile a picture of you? If so, it doesn't look like you need to lose much weight, if any.0 -
People also tend to go a little nuts when they have thyroid problems.
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taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
With your posting history, I'm kind of shocked he didn't refer you to a psychologist. In some of your previous posts, there was clearly disordered thinking regarding food and weight.0 -
taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
With your posting history, I'm kind of shocked he didn't refer you to a psychologist. In some of your previous posts, there was clearly disordered thinking regarding food and weight.
OP probably wasn't completely truthful with the doctor.0 -
taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
Go find a different doctor (if you can) or Demand he do a blood test for your thyroid if you think it's a possibility- you (or your insurance) pay him so you can call the shots. Also see if you can do a metabolic test so you know where your metabolism is actually at.
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No matter how many calories you consume, if your fat and carb intake is over your MFP goal on a daily basis, you are more likely to gain--even if you are averaging 1300-1600 calorie intake..I understand the confusion; I have a 1710 calorie inake, have been doing zumba on the daily and I am losing very little, very slowly. I had to reevaluate my diet and I noticed that I was taking in more carbs and fat than I should have.0
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Its true, if your metabolism is way messed up then your not burning what they estimate from this site. This happened to me but I am slowly fixing it. I was barely losing weight at 1200 calories a day. It takes a lot to mess it up though, for me it was years of not eating except once a day or maybe every other day followed by total binges. Can also be caused by anorexia. Long prolonged periods of not eating. EM2WL Has a lot of this info on it and how to correct it if anyone is interested.0
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No matter how many calories you consume, if your fat and carb intake is over your MFP goal on a daily basis, you are more likely to gain--even if you are averaging 1300-1600 calorie intake..I understand the confusion; I have a 1710 calorie inake, have been doing zumba on the daily and I am losing very little, very slowly. I had to reevaluate my diet and I noticed that I was taking in more carbs and fat than I should have.
*shakes head* oh gosh! that's so not true0 -
No matter how many calories you consume, if your fat and carb intake is over your MFP goal on a daily basis, you are more likely to gain--even if you are averaging 1300-1600 calorie intake..I understand the confusion; I have a 1710 calorie inake, have been doing zumba on the daily and I am losing very little, very slowly. I had to reevaluate my diet and I noticed that I was taking in more carbs and fat than I should have.
Where do people get this kind of stuff? It makes no sense at all.
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SingRunTing wrote: »People with a history of low calorie diets (eating disorder or long term VLCDs) can and do have metabolic adaptation. Meaning that their body does start to burn fewer calories than before. But this adaptation is small (only a few hundred calories at most) and they can still create a calorie deficit. Its just that their deficit is at a lower calorie goal than it was before. It's not like they can eat 400 calories and gain weight or anything. This adaptation is not something that is going to happen on accident.
Well, apparently I'm a medical anomaly, as this didn't happen to me. My calorie goal today, following decades of strange eating and two types of EDs, is the same as anyone else's calorie goal of a similar height, weight, age and activity level. When I eat at that goal, I lose.
I began dieting in 1979, went to more drastic (around 800 cals/day) dieting a few years later, would only be able to maintain that for a week or a week and a half and then would binge to vomiting (no, not on purpose - the vomiting, I mean), and continued this way until my early 20s. At that time, I would restrict to about 1000 cals/day, then would occasionally binge (the net result being, obviously, more than 1000 cals/day when averaged out). I was thin and maintained my thinness in this (unhealthy) way. Once in a while I would have "uncontrolled" eating for a number of days. I would then either fast entirely for a day or two, or eat very, very low-calorie for the next week or so - lower than my 1000, I mean. Often I would eat only one meal a day, and it wouldn't be a huge meal.
I don't think I was underestimating my calorie intake, as all that time (Was I crazy?) I was experiencing dizziness and fainting, hair loss, wonky periods and the whole kit and kaboodle.
I only stopped doing those things, and went to my magical "eat all you want of X" diets (that, naturally, caused me to gain as I was eating MANY calories), about 12 years ago.
So between 1979 and around 2003, I was doing "metabolically damaging" things to my body. That's a long time.
Yet when I went to a reasonable calorie deficit - this is fairly recently - I lost at that deficit. The one MFP gave me, the one it would give a person who never engaged in this type of disordered eating.
Yes, this is anecdotal. Either it means people don't experience some sort of metabolic slowdown and don't require fewer calories than before (due to overrestrictions for a period of time - remember, mine was for 24 years), or it means I am one for the medical textbooks and will eventually be featured in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Or maybe I "reset my metabolism"?
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SingRunTing wrote: »People with a history of low calorie diets (eating disorder or long term VLCDs) can and do have metabolic adaptation. Meaning that their body does start to burn fewer calories than before. But this adaptation is small (only a few hundred calories at most) and they can still create a calorie deficit. Its just that their deficit is at a lower calorie goal than it was before. It's not like they can eat 400 calories and gain weight or anything. This adaptation is not something that is going to happen on accident.
Well, apparently I'm a medical anomaly, as this didn't happen to me. My calorie goal today, following decades of strange eating and two types of EDs, is the same as anyone else's calorie goal of a similar height, weight, age and activity level. When I eat at that goal, I lose.
I began dieting in 1979, went to more drastic (around 800 cals/day) dieting a few years later, would only be able to maintain that for a week or a week and a half and then would binge to vomiting (no, not on purpose - the vomiting, I mean), and continued this way until my early 20s. At that time, I would restrict to about 1000 cals/day, then would occasionally binge (the net result being, obviously, more than 1000 cals/day when averaged out). I was thin and maintained my thinness in this (unhealthy) way. Once in a while I would have "uncontrolled" eating for a number of days. I would then either fast entirely for a day or two, or eat very, very low-calorie for the next week or so - lower than my 1000, I mean. Often I would eat only one meal a day, and it wouldn't be a huge meal.
I don't think I was underestimating my calorie intake, as all that time (Was I crazy?) I was experiencing dizziness and fainting, hair loss, wonky periods and the whole kit and kaboodle.
I only stopped doing those things, and went to my magical "eat all you want of X" diets (that, naturally, caused me to gain as I was eating MANY calories), about 12 years ago.
So between 1979 and around 2003, I was doing "metabolically damaging" things to my body. That's a long time.
Yet when I went to a reasonable calorie deficit - this is fairly recently - I lost at that deficit. The one MFP gave me, the one it would give a person who never engaged in this type of disordered eating.
Yes, this is anecdotal. Either it means people don't experience some sort of metabolic slowdown and don't require fewer calories than before (due to overrestrictions for a period of time - remember, mine was for 24 years), or it means I am one for the medical textbooks and will eventually be featured in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Or maybe I "reset my metabolism"?
I didn't say it happens 100% of the time. It has been proven to happen. It won't stop someone from being able to create a deficit though.
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SingRunTing wrote: »
I didn't say it happens 100% of the time. It has been proven to happen. It won't stop someone from being able to create a deficit though.
Oh. Well, I haven't seen any studies to that effect, but then again, I've never looked for one! Do you have any?
It could be that I am just in the lucky v. the unlucky camp.
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PlaydohPants wrote: »Aren't you supposed to lose very little very slowly? I lose about 4 lbs a month and that sucks but it is what it is.
Since when was a pound a week 'very little very slowly'...?! :noway:
Some people watch too much biggest loser!0 -
It's true he'd be able to see swelling and that kind of thing, but you can't tell how well a thyroid gland is functioning by just looking at someone's neck. He probably just thinks there is nothing wrong since it sounds like you don't have any other health issues-- thyroid dysfunction usually has a number of symptoms. Plus, thyroid dysfunction in a young man is unusual.
Is the photo in your profile a picture of you? If so, it doesn't look like you need to lose much weight, if any.
Well i still got belly fat to shed.0 -
Squamation wrote: »taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
Go find a different doctor (if you can) or Demand he do a blood test for your thyroid if you think it's a possibility- you (or your insurance) pay him so you can call the shots. Also see if you can do a metabolic test so you know where your metabolism is actually at.
Good luck!
Except if you read his previous posts, the reason he believes this is a possibility if because of disordered eat and body dysmorphia. He has been told many times that there is likely nothing metabolically wrong. He has even stated a weight goal that was under 18.5 BMI previously (not sure if that is his goal now).
I am all for switching MDs if your MD isn't testing you for legit medical concerns, but one should not MD shop for an answer they like when they need mental health intervention.0 -
leanne0627 wrote: »Its true, if your metabolism is way messed up then your not burning what they estimate from this site. This happened to me but I am slowly fixing it. I was barely losing weight at 1200 calories a day. It takes a lot to mess it up though, for me it was years of not eating except once a day or maybe every other day followed by total binges. Can also be caused by anorexia. Long prolonged periods of not eating. EM2WL Has a lot of this info on it and how to correct it if anyone is interested.
Well see i only been cutting 8 months straight0 -
Squamation wrote: »taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
Go find a different doctor (if you can) or Demand he do a blood test for your thyroid if you think it's a possibility- you (or your insurance) pay him so you can call the shots. Also see if you can do a metabolic test so you know where your metabolism is actually at.
Good luck!
Except if you read his previous posts, the reason he believes this is a possibility if because of disordered eat and body dysmorphia. He has been told many times that there is likely nothing metabolically wrong. He has even stated a weight goal that was under 18.5 BMI previously (not sure if that is his goal now).
I am all for switching MDs if your MD isn't testing you for legit medical concerns, but one should not MD shop for an answer they like when they need mental health intervention.
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SingRunTing wrote: »People with a history of low calorie diets (eating disorder or long term VLCDs) can and do have metabolic adaptation. Meaning that their body does start to burn fewer calories than before. But this adaptation is small (only a few hundred calories at most) and they can still create a calorie deficit. Its just that their deficit is at a lower calorie goal than it was before. It's not like they can eat 400 calories and gain weight or anything. This adaptation is not something that is going to happen on accident.
Well, apparently I'm a medical anomaly, as this didn't happen to me. My calorie goal today, following decades of strange eating and two types of EDs, is the same as anyone else's calorie goal of a similar height, weight, age and activity level. When I eat at that goal, I lose.
I began dieting in 1979, went to more drastic (around 800 cals/day) dieting a few years later, would only be able to maintain that for a week or a week and a half and then would binge to vomiting (no, not on purpose - the vomiting, I mean), and continued this way until my early 20s. At that time, I would restrict to about 1000 cals/day, then would occasionally binge (the net result being, obviously, more than 1000 cals/day when averaged out). I was thin and maintained my thinness in this (unhealthy) way. Once in a while I would have "uncontrolled" eating for a number of days. I would then either fast entirely for a day or two, or eat very, very low-calorie for the next week or so - lower than my 1000, I mean. Often I would eat only one meal a day, and it wouldn't be a huge meal.
I don't think I was underestimating my calorie intake, as all that time (Was I crazy?) I was experiencing dizziness and fainting, hair loss, wonky periods and the whole kit and kaboodle.
I only stopped doing those things, and went to my magical "eat all you want of X" diets (that, naturally, caused me to gain as I was eating MANY calories), about 12 years ago.
So between 1979 and around 2003, I was doing "metabolically damaging" things to my body. That's a long time.
Yet when I went to a reasonable calorie deficit - this is fairly recently - I lost at that deficit. The one MFP gave me, the one it would give a person who never engaged in this type of disordered eating.
Yes, this is anecdotal. Either it means people don't experience some sort of metabolic slowdown and don't require fewer calories than before (due to overrestrictions for a period of time - remember, mine was for 24 years), or it means I am one for the medical textbooks and will eventually be featured in the New England Journal of Medicine.
Or maybe I "reset my metabolism"?
Well again i only been cutting for 8 months and i plateaued back i august last year which was the 8 month. Im still plateaued as of today and im constantly craving and binging for no reason this happened after i upped my calories. Sounds funny dosentdosent it?0 -
Squamation wrote: »taylorblade wrote: »
Yes i am the same boy. But my doctor said that my blood sugar and all that was stable. But he never prescribe me to get my blood work done about my hormones. He says he doesn't believe that there is anything wrong with my thyroids because if it was he said he would know by looking at my neck and he showed me some diagrams about it and stuff like thar.taylorblade wrote: »kristin_wood wrote: »It cannot be and does not happen.
haha so not true!
@taylorblade add me or send me a personal message and i can help you through this! i damaged my metabolism and now healthy, happy and training for a fitness competition!
Can you elaborate how a person can eat less food than they burn and gain weight?
Lol! Good point! Same thing i want to know
I may have you mixed up with someone else, but weren't you going to consult your doctor about your weight concerns? If so, what did they say?
Go find a different doctor (if you can) or Demand he do a blood test for your thyroid if you think it's a possibility- you (or your insurance) pay him so you can call the shots. Also see if you can do a metabolic test so you know where your metabolism is actually at.
Good luck!
Except if you read his previous posts, the reason he believes this is a possibility if because of disordered eat and body dysmorphia. He has been told many times that there is likely nothing metabolically wrong. He has even stated a weight goal that was under 18.5 BMI previously (not sure if that is his goal now).
I am all for switching MDs if your MD isn't testing you for legit medical concerns, but one should not MD shop for an answer they like when they need mental health intervention.
(sigh) for the last time I do not have body dysmorphia! And i do see a psychiatrist thank you very much for rubbing that in. If it makes you happy.0
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