Paleo Diet??
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I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.0 -
trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.
Unless you grow your own food and slaughter your own meat, all of your food it "processed".0 -
trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods.
Maybe it does, maybe it doesn't. I know of a business where I am that sells paleo packaged meals, and plenty of people sell packaged treats and convenience items aimed at the paleo market these days. Some of these are even nice options that I'm glad exist.
I do like the fact that paleo has a name that's kind of funny but far less obnoxious than calling yourself a "clean" eater, as if food you didn't eat were somehow "unclean."
Would it kill people to use words that actually convey what they mean in a clear and understandable way rather than some term ("clean") that means something to them and something entirely different to someone else and which is based entirely on a desire to insult others?0 -
trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.
Unless you grow your own food and slaughter your own meat, all of your food it "processed".
No need to be obtuse.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »MelonFlower wrote: »If you have leptin resistance, as 1.5 billion people do, then it's possible to gain weight on just 500 calories.
Do you have a citation for this rather remarkable claim?
That does sound rather high. Are there that many people with insulin resistance?0 -
freqzinbigd wrote: »trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.
Unless you grow your own food and slaughter your own meat, all of your food it "processed".
No need to be obtuse.
Am I still being obtuse?0 -
trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.
My opinion is that it is goofy, too, but almonds vs peanuts == tree nuts vs legumes (and legumes are not accepted on paleo). At least those are demonstrably different food types and they're not coming up with some totally arbitrary new classification.
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I'm doing paleo and am type 1 diabetic. Since starting 10 days ago i have had to lower my insulin pump settings and I do not have to take insulin with my meals. My calorie intake is 1500 consisting of less than 50gm of carbs per day. I eat so much more healthy and have no cravings......yet. I have lost 8 lbs and feel so much better without pastas and sugar.0
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hollyaeckley wrote: »I'm doing paleo and am type 1 diabetic. Since starting 10 days ago i have had to lower my insulin pump settings and I do not have to take insulin with my meals. My calorie intake is 1500 consisting of less than 50gm of carbs per day. I eat so much more healthy and have no cravings......yet. I have lost 8 lbs and feel so much better without pastas and sugar.
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I apologize because this will probably turn into a novel of a post:
I studied livestock nutrition in college, so I had to take a lot of metabolic nutrition, including some human nutrition. My take on the Paleo diet is basically: It's a great way to force people to cut out foods that are easy to overeat. You would probably feel pretty sick if you sat down and ate 800 calories of beef in one sitting, but it's very easy to eat, say, that much in chips, breads, etc.
The notion that we need to cut out dairy, legumes, wheat, etc, I think is narrowing someone's diet a bit too much. IF you have an intolerance to these foods, it's easy - don't eat them! My sister is VERY lactose intolerant so she doesn't eat any dairy. I don't have any problems digesting it, so I do. A close friend has Celiacs and obviously can't touch gluten, but she is not the norm. Most people who say they "feel better" from cutting gluten are more likely just noticing the differences between a diet heavy in foods that are easy to overeat and feel bloated on, vs one that isn't, as well as eating more nutritionally dense foods.
It's not about carbs in particular either, since some people who eat Paleo have very high carb diets via potatoes and other starchy foods.
I'm a big believer in portion control, and that you can eat pretty much anything you want within reason and common sense. Common sense says a slice of toast with breakfast is better than a donut for breakfast, but if you want a donut with your breakfast, eat it...and then adjust the rest of your day accordingly. And know that "serving suggestions" for most meals are not really good serving sizes for everything! I think this gets people. Just because a serving is 8oz of something doesn't mean you need to eat 8oz of it at once. I find this is especially true in almost anything you buy at a restaurant, whether it be fast food or sit down. Everyone's caloric needs are different based on their lifestyle and there is no such thing as a "one size fits all" deal. I notice this with cheese. Most cheese has a "1oz serving suggestion" but when I grab some cheese to snack on I usually end up only eating 0.5 oz or even less.
If we want to get more specific, the idea that legumes are "toxic" to humans which is a big deal in Paleo irks me because it oversimplifies things. Some legumes, especially kidney beans, are toxic if not cooked properly. If you prepare them correctly, they are fine to eat and are a great source of protein and fiber. There are some chemical properties of legumes that are "toxic" but the amounts you would need to eat in order to have a physiological affect in your body are so high it's basically impossible for anyone to get to. Reminds me of the aspartame cancer fears - in order to get a risk of cancer from aspartame in soda you'd need to drink something like 20-30 liters of soda A DAY. You would be sick/dead from plenty of other health issues before you had to worry about aspartame consuming that much! Haha.
A big premise of Paleo is thanks to modern agriculture we aren't eating what we used to/should eat, that it isn't natural human food. I agree with this to an extent - most people don't eat a variety of fruits and veggies, and it's always good to have variety in your diet, and when people switch to Paleo they naturally just tend to get a more variety of fruits/veggies. And as far as dairy goes, the gene for lactose tolerance appeared at two different times in human history in two different cultures - it wasn't a fluke, at some point our ancestors started using animals for dairy products and stuck with it, and the fact is the nutritional benefits from dairy (protein, good fats including CLAs which are slowly proving to be effective against heart disease, calcium, etc) are hard to beat assuming you can digest it. Again, if something makes you sick or uncomfortable, cut it out of your diet.
I guess this a long way of saying I think the Paleo diet has good advice in it (eat whole foods, make good choices, stay active, eat a variety of foods, try eating more fish than the average American, etc), but as a whole is too restrictive for my tastes and tends to spook people with claims of what is "natural" and "unnatural" and "healthy" vs "toxic."0 -
:hollyaeckley wrote: »I'm doing paleo and am type 1 diabetic. Since starting 10 days ago i have had to lower my insulin pump settings and I do not have to take insulin with my meals. My calorie intake is 1500 consisting of less than 50gm of carbs per day. I eat so much more healthy and have no cravings......yet. I have lost 8 lbs and feel so much better without pastas and sugar.
All in 10 days?[/quot
Yes. I know a lot is water0 -
As some other posters have indicated you don't need a "named" diet plan to succeed at weight loss. Ultimately for most of us it's calories in versus calories out. I finally figured out that the best diet for me consisted of food I ate regularly, with some minor adjustments. So I still eat 'evil' white bread and pasta, 'demonic' bacon and butter, and horrible processed foods and pizza. I eat a much better balanced diet and more fruits then I did, but no major drastic changes, just less.0
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you just need to balance your eating X amount of calories to how many you burn off. If you take in more calories then you are burning your body will store it.
So try and burn off more than you eat, and try eating "better" and "cleaner" but you can still eat the foods you enjoy, just in moderation.
Live your life and enjoy it, just balance the intake verse output.
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Thanks again for all of the great advise. I guess "diet" was the wrong choice of word to use and "Paleo" sure wasn't a good choice either (LOL). What I personally need to do is learn to eat healthier. I mentioned low carbs because although I am currently overweight, I do tend to feel sluggish when I consume the likes of rice, bread, pasta, etc. and I simply do not know how to decrease or eliminate them in a healthy way. I strive to learn.0
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There is a paleo group on here, come post on our threads!
I eat mostly paleo and stay between 1300-1700 calories/ day depending on exercise. I agree that it might be tough on 1200 cals, but no more tough than any well balanced diet. I eat lots of chicken, veggies, sweet potatoes, berries, and almond butter. I drink almond and coconut milk. I tend to "cheat" on paleo on the weekends and just try to stay under maintenance calories on those days.
Search for the paleo support group!!0 -
MelonFlower wrote: »If you have leptin resistance, as 1.5 billion people do, then it's possible to gain weight on just 500 calories.
This is complete horse****.
There isn't a human alive that gains fat on 500 calories. There is no medical condition that can cause it, and there can be no medical condition that can cause it.
The standard concentration camp diet during WW2 was 600-800 calories a day. About 20 million people went through that experience - not a single one came out fatter than they went in.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18678372
Hormones have an impact on weight gain or loss, that researchers continue to study. We don't have all the answers yet, but we are getting there.
PCOS is a condition where testosterone and estrogen production in the ovaries are disregulated. Energy needs are lower, as much as 400 calories a day lower than in healthy women, so the 500 calories a day to lose weight may be exagerated, but not by much. If one woman maintains at 1800 calories a day, another woman at the same height and weight and activity, but with PCOS would maintain at 1300 calories. The first woman would lose weight at 1400 calories a day, the second would gain. She would need to eat 900 calories a day to lose at the same rate.
Having higher testosterone levels causes women with PCOS to have higher levels of insulin (regardless of whether they have diabetes). Mice studies suggest that high levels of insulin can lead to lowered metabolism. PCOS is also associated with insulin resistance, which can allow high blood sugar levels, and resulting damage.
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400002300
Women with PCOS have altered ghrelin levels, and are less satisfied with the same amount of food as healthy women would be.
PCOS can be co-morbid with low thyroid (fatigue, weight gain), and has symptoms in common with low thyroid. PCOS also results in fertility problems, visceral fat gain, high trigliceride levels, and artery disease.
PCOS is a difficult disease to manage, many people are prone to hyperbole on the forums, and no one deserves to be sworn at. Yes, CICO is still at play, but the standard formulas to determine TDEE (like the one MFP uses) don`t work for everyone, and some people need to eat very low calories to lose weight, to the point where they cannot get the nutrition they need to be healthy and still lose weight. And they will be starving the whole time.
I find if I don`t know what a medical condition is, I learn more by googling it than I do by swearing at people on a forum.
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Weasel99999 wrote: »Thanks. I definitely need healthy way of eating that is not restrictive. I am searching for a low carb (which is my downfall) way of eating that would work for me.
I have always overeaten carbs too. But since I've started tracking my calories, I notice that I eat fewer carbs by default. The bread isn't always worth it to me, calorie-wise.
I think you might find it helpful, as many others in this thread have suggested, to look at calories first and foremost. Get a handle on what meals you can afford for your calories, and notice how satiated you are. Then start looking at macros.
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MelonFlower wrote: »If you have leptin resistance, as 1.5 billion people do, then it's possible to gain weight on just 500 calories.
This is complete horse****.
There isn't a human alive that gains fat on 500 calories. There is no medical condition that can cause it, and there can be no medical condition that can cause it.
The standard concentration camp diet during WW2 was 600-800 calories a day. About 20 million people went through that experience - not a single one came out fatter than they went in.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18678372
Hormones have an impact on weight gain or loss, that researchers continue to study. We don't have all the answers yet, but we are getting there.
PCOS is a condition where testosterone and estrogen production in the ovaries are disregulated. Energy needs are lower, as much as 400 calories a day lower than in healthy women, so the 500 calories a day to lose weight may be exagerated, but not by much. If one woman maintains at 1800 calories a day, another woman at the same height and weight and activity, but with PCOS would maintain at 1300 calories. The first woman would lose weight at 1400 calories a day, the second would gain. She would need to eat 900 calories a day to lose at the same rate.
Having higher testosterone levels causes women with PCOS to have higher levels of insulin (regardless of whether they have diabetes). Mice studies suggest that high levels of insulin can lead to lowered metabolism. PCOS is also associated with insulin resistance, which can allow high blood sugar levels, and resulting damage.
http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09513590400002300
Women with PCOS have altered ghrelin levels, and are less satisfied with the same amount of food as healthy women would be.
PCOS can be co-morbid with low thyroid (fatigue, weight gain), and has symptoms in common with low thyroid. PCOS also results in fertility problems, visceral fat gain, high trigliceride levels, and artery disease.
PCOS is a difficult disease to manage, many people are prone to hyperbole on the forums, and no one deserves to be sworn at. Yes, CICO is still at play, but the standard formulas to determine TDEE (like the one MFP uses) don`t work for everyone, and some people need to eat very low calories to lose weight, to the point where they cannot get the nutrition they need to be healthy and still lose weight. And they will be starving the whole time.
I find if I don`t know what a medical condition is, I learn more by googling it than I do by swearing at people on a forum. - obligatory smiley
The paper you cited stated that the lowest BMR average was 1116 for the PCOS group. Those women would in no way gain weight eating 500 calories a day.
In addition, if people burn less calories than calculators predict for them, that's fine. They will gain weight if they eat more than they burn, and they will lose if they eat less than they burn. Hormones will adjust the number of calories out, but it does not void the equation.0 -
MelonFlower wrote: »If you have leptin resistance, as 1.5 billion people do, then it's possible to gain weight on just 500 calories.
This is complete horse****.
There isn't a human alive that gains fat on 500 calories. There is no medical condition that can cause it, and there can be no medical condition that can cause it.
The standard concentration camp diet during WW2 was 600-800 calories a day. About 20 million people went through that experience - not a single one came out fatter than they went in.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18678372
That study does not support the previous poster's claim. If anything, it contradicts it.
Thanks for the assist.
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Weasel99999 wrote: »I do tend to feel sluggish when I consume the likes of rice, bread, pasta, etc. and I simply do not know how to decrease or eliminate them in a healthy way. I strive to learn.
But what would life be without bagels, Italian bread and pasta . Again the answer is balance and moderation. Before learning how to eat better, I would easily eat 2-3 servings of bread and pasta and wondered why I needed a nap after dinner. Now I eat a serving of each, balanced with enough protein and fat. Okay I still sometimes need a nap after dinner but not as often. I think you're on the right track.
P.S. As for bagels, I now usually eat them scooped.
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OP, you might want to reduce the number of carbs you eat if you find that you tend to lose control around them. I stopped keeping loaves of bread in the house, and I am just now starting to buy dinner rolls (and actually have them last for several dinners instead of eating them all in one sitting).
You don't have to do a named diet, just do what works for you. I found Paleo to be too restrictive because I love peanut butter and black beans. The overall concept of focusing on whole foods is not a bad idea, but it's a horrible name as it does not actually relate to what paleolithic men/women ate.
Try it and see if it works. If not, try something else. If at all possible, avoid paying for any meal plans or diet books; there should be plenty of resources online for free.
I'd personally suggest something that isn't overly restrictive (however you personally define that) so that it'll be something you can stick with long term.0 -
I eat paleo. I almost never go over on calories. But I do eat a high fat/ high protein diet for sure! I've lost 10lbs by eating paleo and just adding 15 minutes of work out each day. More important than losing 10lbs is how great I feel! And I've tried more new foods and eaten the most creative meals of my entire life. It seems restrictive to people who haven't done it but it is so easy to get used to. And I save money on groceries every month by not buying processed crap foods. 0
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Weasel99999 wrote: »A colleague at work eats a Paleo diet which she says keeps her at a healthy weight and feeling good.
The paleo diet in and of itself does not keep her at a healthy weight. Eating at a deficit will help you lose the weight and then eating at maintenance will help keep you at that weight.Weasel99999 wrote: »I searched it on the internet and it seems to be very high in protein (meat) which would make it extremely hard to stay on or under 1200 calories and it would be a lot of fat also. Anyone knows of this diet?
Paleo is not necessarily hight in meat per se. I guess the glamorized versions are but in reality, there were many "paleo" diets... depending on what region. Some are high fat and some are high carb. I don't think eating a lot of meat is that important as long as you are getting adequate protein with all the amino acids.
Personally I think the paleo diet is kinda faddish and not necessary for health and weight loss but plenty of people seem to like it. If it gets you heading in a healthy direction give it a try. Just don't get bogged down in the dogma...
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this is good...got my popcorn. Carry on.0
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Im on paleo/primal/low carb high fat. 2 years now. Haven't counted a single calorie or fat gram. Ive lost 100 pounds. Cholesterol returned to normal, blood pressure went from pre-hypertension to a fantastic normal, thyroid began working better, hair grew back in on my head, sleep better, no digestive issues, everything is wonderful. Simply put, our bodies were designed to eat & be fueled by real food, not plastic, poisons and chemicals manufactured in a lab to taste like real food. Eat real food to function at full capacity. It's not a diet, it's medicine.0
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http://paleoleap.com/paleo-meal-plan/
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squirrelzzrule22 wrote: »There is a paleo group on here, come post on our threads!
I eat mostly paleo and stay between 1300-1700 calories/ day depending on exercise. I agree that it might be tough on 1200 cals, but no more tough than any well balanced diet. I eat lots of chicken, veggies, sweet potatoes, berries, and almond butter. I drink almond and coconut milk. I tend to "cheat" on paleo on the weekends and just try to stay under maintenance calories on those days.
Search for the paleo support group!!
This is me too (but less cals as I'm only 5ft tall). It is not a diet as such- you still need to restrict calories to lose weight. I find that it really helps my IBS and have much more energy when I eat this way.0 -
I'm on Paleo and I love it. I just dropped 28 lbs doing NutriMost and I'm working in my last 5 lbs. Paleo just keeps it simple I stick to 1400 cal a day for weight loss and 1600 to maintain. Since I am no longer on Weight Loss Drops and other support supplements, the final weight is coming off more slowly but I got a FitBit 2 days ago for my bday and adding exercise helps (and that helps so you can eat more too) so I'm hoping to be done before the summer (or sooner). I always knew the Paleo diet was the best for me because I am an O Blood Type but I rejected eating meat til I went on the program. Now only eat grass fed meats and wild fish as much as possible along with organic fruits and veggies and healthy fats (coconut and olive oil). I am also a certified holistic health coach so my biggest food transformation was adding more meat into my diet besides chicken and an occasional fish. I do miss the legumes (hummus0
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freqzinbigd wrote: »trianglevision wrote: »I really like paleo in that it promotes clean eating by cutting cutting out processed foods. I think that's something everyone can benefit from.
Some of the details like avoiding beans and rice...are goofy in my opinion. Also...almonds are ok but peanuts aren't? This is goofy.
Unless you grow your own food and slaughter your own meat, all of your food it "processed".
No need to be obtuse.
Am I still being obtuse?
Now you're being acute.0
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