Why is it so gosh darn hard to lose body fat???!!!
kevinmacpa
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In theory, losing body fat is simple: you either eat less than you burn, or you burn more than you eat. If you can achieve one of the two, you will create a calorie deficit. Over time, if you can maintain a calorie deficit, you will lose weight.
Usually when people ask for help here because they cannot lose the weight, we tell them to watch their calorie intake and try to exercise more. Come on guys, who doesn't know that's what you should do? However we still keep telling them the same thing. I call this giving them motivation. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
When someone is sick, you can't cure them by only treat the symptoms, you have to figure out what's causing the condition that leads to the symptoms. Is over eating an underlying cause for overweight or could it be a mere symptom of something more severe? How about the unwillingness to move or exercise more? Because no matter now much we eat if we can exercise enough we will still burn more calories than we take in. Is this an underlying cause for over weight or could this also be a symptom from something far worse? If you think over eating is the cause, that's gluttony; if you think unwillingness to exercise more is the problem, that's sloth. But are they really the true cause or overweight or obesity?
I only ask you to keep an open mind and watch the following video. Remember the "infamous" video "the bitter truth about sugar"? Well, this is part 2 of that video. 4 years after the original video was released, dr. Lustig give this lecture at the same lecture hall with more research result and more updated info.
You don't have to comment, and you can bash me for putting the video link here, but before you do, I only ask you to watch the whole video first before doing so.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20Y
Note: Dagnabbit, the mods edited the post title.
Usually when people ask for help here because they cannot lose the weight, we tell them to watch their calorie intake and try to exercise more. Come on guys, who doesn't know that's what you should do? However we still keep telling them the same thing. I call this giving them motivation. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.
When someone is sick, you can't cure them by only treat the symptoms, you have to figure out what's causing the condition that leads to the symptoms. Is over eating an underlying cause for overweight or could it be a mere symptom of something more severe? How about the unwillingness to move or exercise more? Because no matter now much we eat if we can exercise enough we will still burn more calories than we take in. Is this an underlying cause for over weight or could this also be a symptom from something far worse? If you think over eating is the cause, that's gluttony; if you think unwillingness to exercise more is the problem, that's sloth. But are they really the true cause or overweight or obesity?
I only ask you to keep an open mind and watch the following video. Remember the "infamous" video "the bitter truth about sugar"? Well, this is part 2 of that video. 4 years after the original video was released, dr. Lustig give this lecture at the same lecture hall with more research result and more updated info.
You don't have to comment, and you can bash me for putting the video link here, but before you do, I only ask you to watch the whole video first before doing so.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ceFyF9px20YNote: Dagnabbit, the mods edited the post title.
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He's a big part of the confusion that is nutritional science.......he simply doesn't see nutrition outside his version of reality, he just doesn't get it, which is kind of scary considering the influence this man has.0
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neanderthin wrote: »He's a big part of the confusion that is nutritional science.......he simply doesn't see nutrition outside his version of reality, he just doesn't get it, which is kind of scary considering the influence this man has.
Could you provide more details regarding what confusion do you think he is causing? And what nutrition outside his vision were you referring to? Would really appreciate if you can clarify it. Thanks.-1 -
He purposes that it isn't calories or personal responsibility for weight gain but sugar and more specifically fructose and still refers to them as toxic......Context and dosage is not his strong suit. Basically he's counting on bullsh1t baffles brains.0
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It's those god damn genetics. LOL!0
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neanderthin wrote: »He purposes that it isn't calories or personal responsibility for weight gain but sugar and more specifically fructose and still refers to them as toxic......Context and dosage is not his strong suit. Basically he's counting on bullsh1t baffles brains.
Where in the video or in any of his other videos did he say calories or personal responsibility is not responsible for weight gain? In my opinion, his view is excess fructose without any dietary fiber cause slow down of metabolism, which leads to low or no energy production even when you have loads of sugar trying to release energy, when you have no energy, you don't want to or simply can't exercise, thus the "sloth"; excess fructose without enough fiber leads to visceral fat which causes insulin resistance which leads to leptin resistance which cause your brain to not send signal for your body to stop food consumption even when you have huge amount of excess body fat, thus the "gluttony".
If this does not support his claim of fructose as being toxin, what does?
Context and dosage? Did he ever once tell anyone to stop eating fruit? No, he said even though fruit has fructose in them, but because they are also very dense in nutrients and fiber content, the minuscule amount of fructose won't matter. Because of the water content and dietary fibers in fruit, it's also very unlikely that you can ever over eat fruit.-1 -
Because the body naturally wants to hang on to it for times of famine. It is a biomechanism in most mammals. Get used to it.0
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Train the body to eat the fat instead of the sugars, and you will find that your body will live on its own body fat, at least part of the time.
I dont care enough about the video to watch it. I just directly answered the question.0 -
Should be more interesting in the morning.0 -
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RockstarWilson wrote: »Train the body to eat the fat instead of the sugars, and you will find that your body will live on its own body fat, at least part of the time.
I dont care enough about the video to watch it. I just directly answered the question.
If you are on Atkins or keto diet, then the video doesn't apply to you. The information in the video won't really give you anything that's beneficial. But I think most people do consume carb as their major source of fuel, and i think it's worth their time to watch the video and do some critical thinking.0 -
Disclaimer: "this is just my opinion" I believe that the American "staple" food diet is horrible or had declined throughout the years especially with the introduction to gmo's, adding other chemicals or food additives that makes food last longer. I am not one to hate on carbs but refined sugar, and eating all those "twinkies" and junk food is absolutely detrimental to a persons health. No rocket science there. Unfortunately, many of us don't eat raw fruits, veggies and intake good protein; not to mention exercise. Granted, it costs me a bit more money to eat "raw" and choose healthy alternatives (I.E. Apple over McDonalds Apple pie) but my body loves it in the end. I can go and on about this but the point is, carbs shouldn't be the main source of fuel. I think we should eat good carbs (sweet potatoe, quinoa, etc) and drink lots of water. Diet coke messed up in not loosing any weight.0
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this is 1 hour and 24 minutes long, surely there's a summary somewhere
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kevinmacpa wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »He purposes that it isn't calories or personal responsibility for weight gain but sugar and more specifically fructose and still refers to them as toxic......Context and dosage is not his strong suit. Basically he's counting on bullsh1t baffles brains.
Where in the video or in any of his other videos did he say calories or personal responsibility is not responsible for weight gain? In my opinion, his view is excess fructose without any dietary fiber cause slow down of metabolism, which leads to low or no energy production even when you have loads of sugar trying to release energy, when you have no energy, you don't want to or simply can't exercise, thus the "sloth"; excess fructose without enough fiber leads to visceral fat which causes insulin resistance which leads to leptin resistance which cause your brain to not send signal for your body to stop food consumption even when you have huge amount of excess body fat, thus the "gluttony".
If this does not support his claim of fructose as being toxin, what does?
Context and dosage? Did he ever once tell anyone to stop eating fruit? No, he said even though fruit has fructose in them, but because they are also very dense in nutrients and fiber content, the minuscule amount of fructose won't matter. Because of the water content and dietary fibers in fruit, it's also very unlikely that you can ever over eat fruit.
lol oops ok thank you0 -
kevinmacpa wrote: »neanderthin wrote: »He purposes that it isn't calories or personal responsibility for weight gain but sugar and more specifically fructose and still refers to them as toxic......Context and dosage is not his strong suit. Basically he's counting on bullsh1t baffles brains.
Where in the video or in any of his other videos did he say calories or personal responsibility is not responsible for weight gain? In my opinion, his view is excess fructose without any dietary fiber cause slow down of metabolism, which leads to low or no energy production even when you have loads of sugar trying to release energy, when you have no energy, you don't want to or simply can't exercise, thus the "sloth"; excess fructose without enough fiber leads to visceral fat which causes insulin resistance which leads to leptin resistance which cause your brain to not send signal for your body to stop food consumption even when you have huge amount of excess body fat, thus the "gluttony".
If this does not support his claim of fructose as being toxin, what does?
Context and dosage? Did he ever once tell anyone to stop eating fruit? No, he said even though fruit has fructose in them, but because they are also very dense in nutrients and fiber content, the minuscule amount of fructose won't matter. Because of the water content and dietary fibers in fruit, it's also very unlikely that you can ever over eat fruit.
lol oops ok thank you
I highly recommend you go through the entire video if possible. Just listen to it when you do your cardio. If you eat carbs as a major part of your diet (anything higher than 20% of your daily macro), you can learn a thing or two that's very helpful for maintaining your health and keeping the excess fat off.0 -
Only 7 posts in 10 hours? I expected so much more. I has a sad.0
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OP - I eat 100+ grams of sugar a day ..I have no issues bulking, cutting, or maintaining..
you can eat sugar and lose body fat..it just take calorie deficit, hard work, and dedication ...0 -
heavenangel84 wrote: »Disclaimer: "this is just my opinion" I believe that the American "staple" food diet is horrible or had declined throughout the years especially with the introduction to gmo's, adding other chemicals or food additives that makes food last longer. I am not one to hate on carbs but refined sugar, and eating all those "twinkies" and junk food is absolutely detrimental to a persons health. No rocket science there. Unfortunately, many of us don't eat raw fruits, veggies and intake good protein; not to mention exercise. Granted, it costs me a bit more money to eat "raw" and choose healthy alternatives (I.E. Apple over McDonalds Apple pie) but my body loves it in the end. I can go and on about this but the point is, carbs shouldn't be the main source of fuel. I think we should eat good carbs (sweet potatoe, quinoa, etc) and drink lots of water. Diet coke messed up in not loosing any weight.
even your "raw" food has chemicals in it…so brace yourself, you are ingesting chemicals..
diet coke has nothing to do with you losing weight, or not losing weight.
Plenty of people drink diet coke, maintain a calorie deficit, and lose weight.
and carbs are not evil, they are energy...0 -
Seriously, a Lustig "carbs are bad mkay" thread that isn't already over 100 replies.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Seriously, a Lustig "carbs are bad mkay" thread that isn't already over 100 replies.
it was posted at 11am last night..
bump it and they will come ….0 -
RockstarWilson wrote: »Train the body to eat the fat instead of the sugars, and you will find that your body will live on its own body fat, at least part of the time.
I dont care enough about the video to watch it. I just directly answered the question.
http://sigmanutrition.com/eat-more-fat-burn-more-fat-myth-magic-or-metabolic-advantage/0 -
Sigh. This bull again? Okay... Dr. Lustig...
Meta-analysis studies have indicated that the clinical trials cited by Lustig, which were aimed at studying carbohydrate consumption, were of only short duration and variable quality, and that study subjects had only modest increases in body weight, thus precluding definitive conclusions. Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22351714, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22617566
In athletes requiring sugar to meet their caloric needs, fructose may enhance exercise performance by stimulating nutrient absorption and energy metabolism. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20622544
I am not watching an hour long video from a hack.
To answer your subject line, it is not hard to lose body fat. Some people overeat because they're eating to cope with their problem. Other people just don't understand portion sizes. It's not that hard to figure out which pool you fall into and how to work on yourself.
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britishbroccoli wrote: »Sigh. This bull again? Okay... Dr. Lustig...
Meta-analysis studies have indicated that the clinical trials cited by Lustig, which were aimed at studying carbohydrate consumption, were of only short duration and variable quality, and that study subjects had only modest increases in body weight, thus precluding definitive conclusions. Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22351714, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22617566
In athletes requiring sugar to meet their caloric needs, fructose may enhance exercise performance by stimulating nutrient absorption and energy metabolism. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20622544
I am not watching an hour long video from a hack.
To answer your subject line, it is not hard to lose body fat. Some people overeat because they're eating to cope with their problem. Other people just don't understand portion sizes. It's not that hard to figure out which pool you fall into and how to work on yourself.
About the trial result not being conclusive, I think it depends on personal opinion. But if you disagree, I respect that. My train of thought is better safe than sorry.
Moderate consumption of fructose by athletes may enhance performance, this could be true, but I think this is more about energy from fructose help athletes recover better after intense training; or increased energy during their exercise. But even in the article you citied, they even said they are not sure if there could be any long term negative effects.
With the amount of training and diet control for athletes, I don't think any of them need to worry about becoming obese. But for normal people like us, do you perform physical activity or training even half as hard as professional athletes? If you do, you wouldn't be overweight or obese. I can guarantee you that.
"In athletes requiring sugar to meet caloric need" if this fits you, then go consume fructose if you want to. But in normal people who are struggling to keep their sugar intake, blood glucose level, or calorie consumption under control, i don't see why you should consume large amount of fructose when there are far better alternatives.
Carb is not the devil, but any food that contains high concentration of fructose without dietary fiber is, at least for regular people who don't have their own personal dietitian.0 -
kevinmacpa wrote: »britishbroccoli wrote: »Sigh. This bull again? Okay... Dr. Lustig...
Meta-analysis studies have indicated that the clinical trials cited by Lustig, which were aimed at studying carbohydrate consumption, were of only short duration and variable quality, and that study subjects had only modest increases in body weight, thus precluding definitive conclusions. Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22351714, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22617566
In athletes requiring sugar to meet their caloric needs, fructose may enhance exercise performance by stimulating nutrient absorption and energy metabolism. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20622544
I am not watching an hour long video from a hack.
To answer your subject line, it is not hard to lose body fat. Some people overeat because they're eating to cope with their problem. Other people just don't understand portion sizes. It's not that hard to figure out which pool you fall into and how to work on yourself.
About the trial result not being conclusive, I think it depends on personal opinion. But if you disagree, I respect that. My train of thought is better safe than sorry.
Moderate consumption of fructose by athletes may enhance performance, this could be true, but I think this is more about energy from fructose help athletes recover better after intense training; or increased energy during their exercise. But even in the article you citied, they even said they are not sure if there could be any long term negative effects.
With the amount of training and diet control for athletes, I don't think any of them need to worry about becoming obese. But for normal people like us, do you perform physical activity or training even half as hard as professional athletes? If you do, you wouldn't be overweight or obese. I can guarantee you that.
"In athletes requiring sugar to meet caloric need" if this fits you, then go consume fructose if you want to. But in normal people who are struggling to keep their sugar intake, blood glucose level, or calorie consumption under control, i don't see why you should consume large amount of fructose when there are far better options.
Carb is not the devil, but any food that contains high concentration of fructose without dietary fiber is, at least for regular people who don't have their own personal dietitian.
LOL so if you eat sugar you can only lose weight with a personal dietician?? Is that what you are saying?
I lost 50 pounds ten years ago, and have kept it off all the while eating sugar and NOT having a personal dietician..
fat loss is not hard..
people just want to blame "evil sugar" for their lack of self control and dedication to do what it takes..
#thiscrapisgettingold-1 -
Years ago when i didn't have a clue and fell for all the crap media b****cks i lost weight eating special k. (Yes i know!!) but that crap is full of sugar!! I lost weight though. Now i do it by eating them devil carbs, protein, fats and even sugar!! There are things i choose not to eat but i don't see where this sugar thing has come from. People have been eating sugar without even knowing it was as bad as people make out for years and still lost weight!!0
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kevinmacpa wrote: »britishbroccoli wrote: »Sigh. This bull again? Okay... Dr. Lustig...
Meta-analysis studies have indicated that the clinical trials cited by Lustig, which were aimed at studying carbohydrate consumption, were of only short duration and variable quality, and that study subjects had only modest increases in body weight, thus precluding definitive conclusions. Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22351714, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22617566
In athletes requiring sugar to meet their caloric needs, fructose may enhance exercise performance by stimulating nutrient absorption and energy metabolism. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20622544
I am not watching an hour long video from a hack.
To answer your subject line, it is not hard to lose body fat. Some people overeat because they're eating to cope with their problem. Other people just don't understand portion sizes. It's not that hard to figure out which pool you fall into and how to work on yourself.
About the trial result not being conclusive, I think it depends on personal opinion. But if you disagree, I respect that. My train of thought is better safe than sorry.
Moderate consumption of fructose by athletes may enhance performance, this could be true, but I think this is more about energy from fructose help athletes recover better after intense training; or increased energy during their exercise. But even in the article you citied, they even said they are not sure if there could be any long term negative effects.
With the amount of training and diet control for athletes, I don't think any of them need to worry about becoming obese. But for normal people like us, do you perform physical activity or training even half as hard as professional athletes? If you do, you wouldn't be overweight or obese. I can guarantee you that.
"In athletes requiring sugar to meet caloric need" if this fits you, then go consume fructose if you want to. But in normal people who are struggling to keep their sugar intake, blood glucose level, or calorie consumption under control, i don't see why you should consume large amount of fructose when there are far better options.
Carb is not the devil, but any food that contains high concentration of fructose without dietary fiber is, at least for regular people who don't have their own personal dietitian.
LOL so if you eat sugar you can only lose weight with a personal dietician?? Is that what you are saying?
I lost 50 pounds ten years ago, and have kept it off all the while eating sugar and NOT having a personal dietician..
fat loss is not hard..
people just want to blame "evil sugar" for their lack of self control and dedication to do what it takes..
#thiscrapisgettingold
Well, good for you to lose that much fat and kept it off. It's a lot of work.
People can certainly lose weight while consuming sugar. How much do you consume and what kind of sugar do you consume is the real question. If you know what you are doing, for example, you know how much you can eat and maybe counting some calories, then there is no doubt if you keep your calorie intake below your daily requirement you will lose weight.
But the general population are overweight or obese, for most people, if they don't track caloric intake, the easiest way to keep their calorie consumption in check is to cut food with large amount of added sugar. Even for some people who just started tracking caloric intake, they might have trouble cutting enough calories to maintain a daily calorie deficit. Because food with large concentration of added sugar most of the time are dense in calorie, but have next to nothing of nutrients, they should be the first thing out of your daily food list.
Occasional indulgence is no problem, even if you eat it everyday for a solid reason then why not, but if you HAVE to eat it everyday just because, then you probably have a problem and it could lead to chronic diseases.0 -
Somebody else put this exact video link in their topic and the thread opened a huge debate on that one as well..
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kevinmacpa wrote: »kevinmacpa wrote: »britishbroccoli wrote: »Sigh. This bull again? Okay... Dr. Lustig...
Meta-analysis studies have indicated that the clinical trials cited by Lustig, which were aimed at studying carbohydrate consumption, were of only short duration and variable quality, and that study subjects had only modest increases in body weight, thus precluding definitive conclusions. Sources: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22351714, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22617566
In athletes requiring sugar to meet their caloric needs, fructose may enhance exercise performance by stimulating nutrient absorption and energy metabolism. Source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20622544
I am not watching an hour long video from a hack.
To answer your subject line, it is not hard to lose body fat. Some people overeat because they're eating to cope with their problem. Other people just don't understand portion sizes. It's not that hard to figure out which pool you fall into and how to work on yourself.
About the trial result not being conclusive, I think it depends on personal opinion. But if you disagree, I respect that. My train of thought is better safe than sorry.
Moderate consumption of fructose by athletes may enhance performance, this could be true, but I think this is more about energy from fructose help athletes recover better after intense training; or increased energy during their exercise. But even in the article you citied, they even said they are not sure if there could be any long term negative effects.
With the amount of training and diet control for athletes, I don't think any of them need to worry about becoming obese. But for normal people like us, do you perform physical activity or training even half as hard as professional athletes? If you do, you wouldn't be overweight or obese. I can guarantee you that.
"In athletes requiring sugar to meet caloric need" if this fits you, then go consume fructose if you want to. But in normal people who are struggling to keep their sugar intake, blood glucose level, or calorie consumption under control, i don't see why you should consume large amount of fructose when there are far better options.
Carb is not the devil, but any food that contains high concentration of fructose without dietary fiber is, at least for regular people who don't have their own personal dietitian.
LOL so if you eat sugar you can only lose weight with a personal dietician?? Is that what you are saying?
I lost 50 pounds ten years ago, and have kept it off all the while eating sugar and NOT having a personal dietician..
fat loss is not hard..
people just want to blame "evil sugar" for their lack of self control and dedication to do what it takes..
#thiscrapisgettingold
Well, good for you to lose that much fat and kept it off. It's a lot of work.
People can certainly lose weight while consuming sugar. How much do you consume and what kind of sugar do you consume is the real question. If you know what you are doing, for example, you know how much you can eat and maybe counting some calories, then there is no doubt if you keep your calorie intake below your daily requirement you will lose weight.
But the general population are overweight or obese, for most people, if they don't track caloric intake, the easiest way to keep their calorie consumption in check is to cut food with large amount of added sugar. Even for some people who just started tracking caloric intake, they might have trouble cutting enough calories to maintain a daily calorie deficit. Because food with large concentration of added sugar most of the time are dense in calorie, but have next to nothing of nutrients, they should be the first thing out of your daily food list.
Occasional indulgence is no problem, even if you eat it everyday for a solid reason then why not, but if you HAVE to eat it everyday just because, then you probably have a problem and it could lead to chronic diseases.
so now you are saying that everyone does not need a personal dietician?
If obese people just reduced their overall intake by 15% and kept eating sugar they would lose weight.
Sugar is not the culprit, overindulgence is.
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