Can you gain muscle without a proper diet ?
becess96
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I see prisoners on TV documentaries and some of them are really big, and all they do is train, cause I'm sure they don't give you great high protein foods in prison and they let you count calories and all of that stuff, but yet, they're pretty big. Do you think that's possible for everyone or you need really good genetics ?
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Its more likely that they are given cheap high calorie foods with a minimum of proteins. which will get you there, Protein is overhyped imo carbs and sheer cals are more important for getting big (again my opinion)0
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Interesting question! I found an article in the LA Times about Lancaster prison in California.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-13/local/me-31588_1_american-dietetic-assn
"...standards call for a diet of 3,700 calories a day, consisting of 15% protein, 55% carbohydrates and 30% fat."
3,700 calories is huge, I'm in maintenance (6 ft, 170lbs) and eat about 2,500 per day! So within those 3,700 calories, 15% is protein, or 555 calories from protein, or about 139 grams. If you are to eat about .75 to 1 gram per pound of bodyweight, there is probably enough there for you to sustain some decent muscle growth. Also, I bet you could trade some fatty / sugary food for food with more protein from other prisoners who don't care about their diet. Just speculating.0 -
They are allowed to buy their own whey etc. over here.
I'm also pretty sure if they can get smack in, they can get gear too.
edit: oh and really, carbs are more important than protein while bulking, I'd imagine, as the cheapest macro, that their diet would be abundant in carbs.0 -
Wow, just read the article. 3,7000 calories is a lot. From what I've seen in documentaries it just looks like they're starving, I've seen some milk, some noodles and some jelly as far as I remember0
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Don't know about the US but it's like an extended hotel stay here - granted, a travel lodge/premier inn - with a great gym, health care and college built in.
edit, sky TV, play station/Xbox etc., plus whatever they're enterprising enough to get in for themselves.0 -
lol... not an expert of prison diet, but i know that muscles get bigger with use, not with food..0
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When I worked in a county jail, the food was closer to 2000, maybe 2200 calories a day. They have macro requirements but the protein macro is pretty bean heavy. But they get enough protein to build muscle, and supplement carbs with ramen noodle soup.0
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NoblankFRplease wrote: »lol... not an expert of prison diet, but i know that muscles get bigger with use, not with food..
You should leave, it won't be pretty =D
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Maybe for the first year but after that no sorry0
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You can get a lot of stuff in prison that people who've never been don't think is possible. As long as you've got money (or bartering items), you can buy what you like.
They can? That's interesting. I didn't know that.They are allowed to buy their own whey etc. over here.
I'm also pretty sure if they can get smack in, they can get gear too.
edit: oh and really, carbs are more important than protein while bulking, I'd imagine, as the cheapest macro, that their diet would be abundant in carbs.
What I learned from an ex-con family member is there's not much to do in prison. You can do menial work (for paying back court fees/fines), read, watch tv, listen to a radio, hang out in the yard, and/or lift weights.0 -
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Gear+lifting+time+food= lots of gains.
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You can get a lot of stuff in prison that people who've never been don't think is possible. As long as you've got money (or bartering items), you can buy what you like.
They can? That's interesting. I didn't know that.They are allowed to buy their own whey etc. over here.
I'm also pretty sure if they can get smack in, they can get gear too.
edit: oh and really, carbs are more important than protein while bulking, I'd imagine, as the cheapest macro, that their diet would be abundant in carbs.
What I learned from an ex-con family member is there's not much to do in prison. You can do menial work (for paying back court fees/fines), read, watch tv, listen to a radio, hang out in the yard, and/or lift weights.
That I know. I just didn't think Whey wouldn't be considered contraband. My father was in prison for 9 years and we've spoken about many things but weight training and things like that we never did.
On no, not contraband (here anyway) they can order it.
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Don't know about the US but it's like an extended hotel stay here - granted, a travel lodge/premier inn - with a great gym, health care and college built in.
edit, sky TV, play station/Xbox etc., plus whatever they're enterprising enough to get in for themselves.
That and they get more spent on their meals than school dinners or patients in hospital. Seriously alot of thought goes into the menu's in prisons and they get several meal options per sitting along with what they buy in the tuck shop, order in using their prison accounts or have their familys bring in
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Uk prisons just arnt a detterent. Some of the frequent flyers reoffend due to having a warm bed, good food and all the entertainment options offerred in there0
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ruqayyahsmum wrote: »Uk prisons just arnt a detterent. Some of the frequent flyers reoffend due to having a warm bed, good food and all the entertainment options offerred in there
Yes its shocking - not saying I'm against people being treated humanely (I'd rather have the softly softly option than the horrors that go on elsewhere) but when I'm older I know which one I'd pick. I'd rather do time here than end up in a care home, hands down.
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So if you were an average sized guy, ate your full 3,700 calories per day, and didn't exercise, you would easily gain 2 lbs per week. After a few years in jail, you would potentially be morbidly obese - and yet it seems like most people (anecdotal) seem to come out skinnier. Maybe its just because the food tastes really awful and no one eats everything they are served?0
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Your right. I Wish we provided that level of care to our elderlyruqayyahsmum wrote: »Uk prisons just arnt a detterent. Some of the frequent flyers reoffend due to having a warm bed, good food and all the entertainment options offerred in there
Yes its shocking - not saying I'm against people being treated humanely (I'd rather have the softly softly option than the horrors that go on elsewhere) but when I'm older I know which one I'd pick. I'd rather do time here than end up in a care home, hands down.
I was in hospital recently and my calories never got over 1000 - 1200 due to the tiny tiny portions
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Haha I remember having takeaway brought in when I had my daughter after being handed 1 slice of chopped pork and an icecream scoop of mash for my 'dinner'0
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The thing that makes me "laugh" the most is that for example in the USA students (as an example) don't have full insurance but killers and rapists do.0
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Carbs carry a lot of tag along protein.
The UK is paradise on earth as far as I'm concerned. It's brilliant. I'm happy to pay 49% tax.0 -
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Springfield1970 wrote: »Carbs carry a lot of tag along protein.
The UK is paradise on earth as far as I'm concerned. It's brilliant. I'm happy to pay 49% tax.
I'm going to move there because I'd love the tax break.0 -
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I see prisoners on TV documentaries and some of them are really big, and all they do is train, cause I'm sure they don't give you great high protein foods in prison and they let you count calories and all of that stuff, but yet, they're pretty big. Do you think that's possible for everyone or you need really good genetics ?
You are answering to yourself, it is possible but look at what kind of *kitten* diet and hard job prisoners do, I am not sure if that is useful for you.0 -
Tax break? Will you adopt me?Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Springfield1970 wrote: »Carbs carry a lot of tag along protein.
The UK is paradise on earth as far as I'm concerned. It's brilliant. I'm happy to pay 49% tax.
I'm going to move there because I'd love the tax break.
LOL US pays far lower taxes than UK, Canada, or most of the rest of the First World for that matter. I used to live in Idaho and it was so nice not paying about 52% total tax. I think it was more like 31%.
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