Help meeting macronutrient goals: 15% Carbs 25%Protein 60% Fat

usmcmp wrote: »

shhlisa wrote: »

I was on a similar eating plan. I lost 45 pounds before I got pregnant and tried to regulate my diet with a "well balanced diet" Now I am about to start it again on Monday.

What you are doing is based on the ketogenic diet and there are a lot of resources online to help out with that.

You will want to watch out for the "keto flu" usually happens within the first week, you start to feel a little out of it, I describe it as being dazed and not focused, kind of ill feeling, and drinking chicken bouillon with coconut oil (yeah it sounds gross, but you get used to it) made me feel a lot better as I needed the sodium plus it gave me some added fat

http://elowcarbfoodlist.org/the-keto-flu-symptoms-and-relief/

This site is one I use all of the time. Along with recipes there is a lot of good information http://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/low-carb-recipes.html

The "keto flu" is a sign that your body has used all the glycogen stores and is now being forced into ketosis in order to try to give your body the the appropriate fuel to run off of. You'll feel very foggy mentally because it's not the best way to fuel your brain.

Most people lose 10 or so pounds in the first week because carbs hold water weight in our bodies. It's not fat loss.

Yep, the body is preserving glucose for the brain. Biochemical response to starvation, which is what a keto diet mimics,.

crazychester wrote: »

Hey JPW1990, the foggyness you mention from the Keto flu is only temporary as your body converts to using ketones as fuel - a more natural and better fuel source for your brain and other metabolic functions. Bodies running on sugar and glucose as the primary fuel source is the anomoly, not the intended fuel source for our bodies. There is a ton of excellent research out there on the Keto diet/lifestyle and legions of people who have lost weight, lowered their cholesterol, gotten off heart and high BP meds, all from the positive and healthy effects of high fat, low carb diets.

NO
Why does the body have fail-safe mechanisms in place to make glucose? Ketosis is the body biological adaption to starvation, do more research.
http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/12/4/396.pdf

JPW1990 wrote: »

eric_sg61 wrote: »

crazychester wrote: »

Hey JPW1990, the foggyness you mention from the Keto flu is only temporary as your body converts to using ketones as fuel - a more natural and better fuel source for your brain and other metabolic functions. Bodies running on sugar and glucose as the primary fuel source is the anomoly, not the intended fuel source for our bodies. There is a ton of excellent research out there on the Keto diet/lifestyle and legions of people who have lost weight, lowered their cholesterol, gotten off heart and high BP meds, all from the positive and healthy effects of high fat, low carb diets.

NO
Why does the body have fail-safe mechanisms in place to make glucose? Ketosis is the body biological adaption to starvation, do more research.
http://apjcn.nhri.org.tw/server/APJCN/12/4/396.pdf

Your study is 12 years old. You might want to click that video link, too, if you're actually interested in the science involved.

Volek is an Atkins advisory board member Follow the money.

usmcmp wrote: »

ketoindy wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

crazychester wrote: »

Hey JPW1990, the foggyness you mention from the Keto flu is only temporary as your body converts to using ketones as fuel - a more natural and better fuel source for your brain and other metabolic functions. Bodies running on sugar and glucose as the primary fuel source is the anomoly, not the intended fuel source for our bodies. There is a ton of excellent research out there on the Keto diet/lifestyle and legions of people who have lost weight, lowered their cholesterol, gotten off heart and high BP meds, all from the positive and healthy effects of high fat, low carb diets.

People have lost weight on ketogenic diets because they have been in a calorie deficit. Losing weight often leads to improved cholesterol and blood pressure. It's not the magic of a ketogenic diet, it's the magic of a calorie deficit and the resulting weight loss.

So in other words... it works. Regardless of the reason, in the end, it works. Perhaps it's simply a result of cutting out sugars, which are largely converted to body fat and cause insulin spikes which make you feel hungry. Perhaps it's because ketones are a cool thing. Perhaps it's just because it's easier to stay on a high fat (flavorful and filling) diet when you remove sugar than it is to stay on anything else where you remove sugar. Maybe it's something we haven't researched enough the reasons behind it.
And perhaps the reason people have such calorie deficits on it is because it makes them not WANT to eat more than what they are. Personally, when I've had to almost force myself to eat more to REACH a 1,000 calorie deficit, simply because I'm not particularly hungry most the time.
In the end, if it works, it works. Would be nice to get even more research behind it (though there has been a good bit), but whatever.
Why are you so afraid of it?

It does and doesn't work. A calorie deficit works no matter how you achieve it. People go around thinking that keto is magic. If it helps you eat less then it works, but it isn't working because of the reasons they typically claim it does (burning more fat, utilizing less of your calories, not understanding insulin and the role it plays).

I also think you don't understand everything that causes insulin spikes. Carbs aren't the only thing that cause them and there are reasons you actually do want insulin spikes.

I'm not afraid of it, I want to clear up the myths about it.

Except you perpetuated them, instead. EVERY diet will start with 5-10lbs loss the first week, mostly water weight. That's nothing unique to keto, so why bring it up like it only happens with keto? Your spiel about the electrolyte imbalance suggests it's a long term survival response. It's a 2-7 day misfortune which occurs in people who aren't paying attention to their intake, and only happens in people who are short of some combination of sodium, potassium and magnesium. People who do research in advance and know about it never experience it.

What I've found most interesting to the nearly violent reactions some people have to it around here is the glee with which they suggest it's unsustainable, unnatural, dangerous, etc etc. I've been on it 15 years, occasionally switching to low carb out of keto for a while when my other symptoms are better, going back if they get bad again, meaning I go up to 40g instead of 20g. I know very few people who use it only for weight loss. The vast majority use it for other reasons, some don't even bother with a deficit. Then they come on here looking for help, because they have questions, and instead of getting help, they get told they're ignorant, naive, doing the wrong thing, etc, usually without people even bothering to ask if a doctor or nutritionist has put them on it in the first place.

If I wasn't on it, I'd have died years ago. But, apparently, according to the "learned experts" of MFP, I don't exist, because if I'd actually done it, I'd have severe brain damage or be dead.

JPW1990 wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

ketoindy wrote: »

usmcmp wrote: »

crazychester wrote: »

Hey JPW1990, the foggyness you mention from the Keto flu is only temporary as your body converts to using ketones as fuel - a more natural and better fuel source for your brain and other metabolic functions. Bodies running on sugar and glucose as the primary fuel source is the anomoly, not the intended fuel source for our bodies. There is a ton of excellent research out there on the Keto diet/lifestyle and legions of people who have lost weight, lowered their cholesterol, gotten off heart and high BP meds, all from the positive and healthy effects of high fat, low carb diets.

People have lost weight on ketogenic diets because they have been in a calorie deficit. Losing weight often leads to improved cholesterol and blood pressure. It's not the magic of a ketogenic diet, it's the magic of a calorie deficit and the resulting weight loss.

So in other words... it works. Regardless of the reason, in the end, it works. Perhaps it's simply a result of cutting out sugars, which are largely converted to body fat and cause insulin spikes which make you feel hungry. Perhaps it's because ketones are a cool thing. Perhaps it's just because it's easier to stay on a high fat (flavorful and filling) diet when you remove sugar than it is to stay on anything else where you remove sugar. Maybe it's something we haven't researched enough the reasons behind it.
And perhaps the reason people have such calorie deficits on it is because it makes them not WANT to eat more than what they are. Personally, when I've had to almost force myself to eat more to REACH a 1,000 calorie deficit, simply because I'm not particularly hungry most the time.
In the end, if it works, it works. Would be nice to get even more research behind it (though there has been a good bit), but whatever.
Why are you so afraid of it?

It does and doesn't work. A calorie deficit works no matter how you achieve it. People go around thinking that keto is magic. If it helps you eat less then it works, but it isn't working because of the reasons they typically claim it does (burning more fat, utilizing less of your calories, not understanding insulin and the role it plays).

I also think you don't understand everything that causes insulin spikes. Carbs aren't the only thing that cause them and there are reasons you actually do want insulin spikes.

I'm not afraid of it, I want to clear up the myths about it.

Except you perpetuated them, instead. EVERY diet will start with 5-10lbs loss the first week, mostly water weight. That's nothing unique to keto, so why bring it up like it only happens with keto? Your spiel about the electrolyte imbalance suggests it's a long term survival response. It's a 2-7 day misfortune which occurs in people who aren't paying attention to their intake, and only happens in people who are short of some combination of sodium, potassium and magnesium. People who do research in advance and know about it never experience it.

What I've found most interesting to the nearly violent reactions some people have to it around here is the glee with which they suggest it's unsustainable, unnatural, dangerous, etc etc. I've been on it 15 years, occasionally switching to low carb out of keto for a while when my other symptoms are better, going back if they get bad again, meaning I go up to 40g instead of 20g. I know very few people who use it only for weight loss. The vast majority use it for other reasons, some don't even bother with a deficit. Then they come on here looking for help, because they have questions, and instead of getting help, they get told they're ignorant, naive, doing the wrong thing, etc, usually without people even bothering to ask if a doctor or nutritionist has put them on it in the first place.

If I wasn't on it, I'd have died years ago. But, apparently, according to the "learned experts" of MFP, I don't exist, because if I'd actually done it, I'd have severe brain damage or be dead.

People react like that because of ignorant statements like this one made above "Bodies running on sugar and glucose as the primary fuel source is the anomoly, not the intended fuel source for our bodies". That is patently false. The body will literally eat is own muscle tissue to make glucose.
From Lyle McDonald's Ketogenic Diet book pg 44-45

"Production of glucose during long term starvation
As long term adaptation to ketosis continues, there are a number of adaptations which occur to further spare glucose. From the third day of ketosis to three weeks of fasting, the brain gradually increases its use of ketones for fuel, ultimately deriving up to 75% of its total energy from ketones (6,26). This shift to using ketones by the brain means that only 40 grams of glucose per day is required, the remaining 60-75 grams of energy being provided by ketones (26). This means that less protein must be broken down to produce glucose. Since TG breakdown will still provide 18 grams of glucose per day, protein breakdown will only be 20 grams per day (see still provide 18 grams of glucose per day, protein breakdown will only be 20 grams per day (see table 2 on the next page) (6). As stated previously, is appears the primary purpose of ketones in humans is to provide the brain with a non-glucose, fat-derived fuel for the brain (27,30)."