Paleo February Start-up
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Dear lord the amount of negativity on this thread is shocking. Agree with someone, disagree with someone- everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Post journal articles if you want (the more the better). But there is no reason to be so antagonistic or mean.
Personally, I've been slowly switching to a Paleo diet since the end of December and using it as an elimination diet has done me wonders! The few times I've "strayed" has helped show me just how severely lactose intolerant I am, that I may actually have a mild wheat allergy, and something in beer REALLY disagrees with me. Keeping these out of my diet has helped my stomach be less angry, clear up my eczema, increased my energy, and decreased the inflammation around my eyes and face. As a bonus I've also lost 3 kilos this month, although I'm pretty sure at least one of that was bloating/inflammation from trying to poison my body with foods it doesn't like for so long.
One thing that has really helped me stick to eating well is to have big cook ups and freeze snacks, meals, and bases (e.g. stock and sauces). That way they're there for days I can't cook and prevent eating out. I also try to make everything from scratch so I don't have to worry about reading labels and hidden things. I can't say I buy into all the primal/paleo stuff I've read, but I think the best advice is eat what feels best for your body and listen carefully to it. For me that's no dairy, wheat, or beer. And that switch has been quite easy, because I can't help but remember how awful my body reacts to them. So, if you've noticed a positive change or a negative reaction to something, try to keep that in mind the next time your body is like "you know what would taste awesome...."0 -
prettykitty1515 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »jennamae102 wrote: »Why do certain users have to get so feisty on these boards? If you aren't interested in paleo or helping the OP why even bother wasting your time posting on this thread? It can be so frustrating wading though so much BS to read actual helpful posts.
Because paleo isn't help?
That's wrong man. Paleo is huge - it's definitely worth it - you can't "sugarcoat" it's effectiveness - and for those with diabetes, an excellent diet. Paleo is about eating fresh whole natural food. Oh yeah, I guess that's something that works against the standard Western diet that most of ya (not Paleos or sane people) would eat. Continue down your processed food trail man, the doctors will be glad to take on your conditions and take your money too.
Hi Ted! See my profile pic? 105lbs gone without restricting myself. I ate what I wanted and when I wanted without someone telling me that processed food was bad for me like you just did. I ate what people like you call 'junk'. Fast food, chips, processed food, Ice cream, cake, all the food that you hate played a part in my nutrition. I will stick to what helped me. Thanks!
Check your visceral fat levels by getting blood work done. Over the long term, you will find yourself at the doctor's office with issues and that's guaranteed. You might get the initial burn of a deficit-based system, but over the long haul, it doesn't work.
Wanna know what yo-yo dieting occurs?
yo yo dieting happens when people do dumb fad diets like paleo and restrict whole food groups and then binge on said food groups and wonder why "dieting" is so hard…
when in reality it is easy ….eat in a deficit, hit your calorie, micro/macro goals, and eat the foods that you like ….
CICO ALWAYS works…it is not a temporary burn ..
do you even understand math????
CICO always works if you can stick with it. Most people (over 90% can't) because calorie counting can be tedious and a pain in the butt. Just like most who try veganism quit because it's impossible.
So why would you criticize someone who is doing Paleo, not counting calories, and successfully losing weight?
And by the way, I would never do Paleo because I love cheese.
Well you are right here but remember that 90% of people fail but that's all diets and that includes Paleo, keto, Atkins, low fat, low carb, shakes, you name it. IF you can stick to a lifestyle change then you have a chance but 90% of people regain the weight, and often more, within 2 years so the odds are always against you.0 -
Great post duckykissy and I am glad you have found the foods that worry you.
Yes Wheelhouse, the statistics are high when it comes to diets and that is why it is vital that you find a lifestyle that suits you and is sustainable.0 -
Great post duckykissy and I am glad you have found the foods that worry you.
Yes Wheelhouse, the statistics are high when it comes to diets and that is why it is vital that you find a lifestyle that suits you and is sustainable.
Very true, most people just don't understand that it's not a diet for weight loss but a diet for life that they need. Then the cycle starts again...0 -
The idea that somehow people doing paleo eat until they are satisfied and the rest of us are sitting here starving on our calorie amounts or otherwise are not satisfied with what we are eating is a strawman, though.
This is pure projection.
Nope, it's a direct response to a post in this thread:Don't listen to the peeps about "eating at a deficit." That's called deprivation - starvation. Paleo is about eating all natural foods - to the point that you would naturally feel full.0 -
duckykissy wrote: »I can't say I buy into all the primal/paleo stuff I've read, but I think the best advice is eat what feels best for your body and listen carefully to it. For me that's no dairy, wheat, or beer. And that switch has been quite easy, because I can't help but remember how awful my body reacts to them. So, if you've noticed a positive change or a negative reaction to something, try to keep that in mind the next time your body is like "you know what would taste awesome...."
This seems quite sensible. And it's why paleo isn't really the ideal diet for everyone, as the paleo claims would have it. Because not everyone is lactose intolerant or celiac or has issues with beans (and probably very few people are all three).
But that doesn't mean it won't work for some or isn't a perfectly possible way for someone who finds the eating style enjoyable to maintain a deficit.
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Great post ducky. Maybe I should have been clearer in my op but I'm looking at Paleo as a guide. I don't have any food allergies (thankfully). Still, I've found I've felt better over the past week limiting certain foods and increasing others. One thing I've noticed is that I don't crave the foods I'm not eating. I am definitely going to do some cooking ahead of the work week.lemurcat12 wrote: »duckykissy wrote: »I can't say I buy into all the primal/paleo stuff I've read, but I think the best advice is eat what feels best for your body and listen carefully to it. For me that's no dairy, wheat, or beer. And that switch has been quite easy, because I can't help but remember how awful my body reacts to them. So, if you've noticed a positive change or a negative reaction to something, try to keep that in mind the next time your body is like "you know what would taste awesome...."
This seems quite sensible. And it's why paleo isn't really the ideal diet for everyone, as the paleo claims would have it. Because not everyone is lactose intolerant or celiac or has issues with beans (and probably very few people are all three).
But that doesn't mean it won't work for some or isn't a perfectly possible way for someone who finds the eating style enjoyable to maintain a deficit.0 -
That's a common objection to the paleo diet, but actually you can be unaware of the issues that they give you (like myself). Try to cut them for 3/4 weeks and see how your body reacts...lemurcat12 wrote: »Because not everyone is lactose intolerant or celiac or has issues with beans (and probably very few people are all three).0 -
prettykitty1515 wrote: »prettykitty1515 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »jennamae102 wrote: »Why do certain users have to get so feisty on these boards? If you aren't interested in paleo or helping the OP why even bother wasting your time posting on this thread? It can be so frustrating wading though so much BS to read actual helpful posts.
Because paleo isn't help?
That's wrong man. Paleo is huge - it's definitely worth it - you can't "sugarcoat" it's effectiveness - and for those with diabetes, an excellent diet. Paleo is about eating fresh whole natural food. Oh yeah, I guess that's something that works against the standard Western diet that most of ya (not Paleos or sane people) would eat. Continue down your processed food trail man, the doctors will be glad to take on your conditions and take your money too.
Hi Ted! See my profile pic? 105lbs gone without restricting myself. I ate what I wanted and when I wanted without someone telling me that processed food was bad for me like you just did. I ate what people like you call 'junk'. Fast food, chips, processed food, Ice cream, cake, all the food that you hate played a part in my nutrition. I will stick to what helped me. Thanks!
Check your visceral fat levels by getting blood work done. Over the long term, you will find yourself at the doctor's office with issues and that's guaranteed. You might get the initial burn of a deficit-based system, but over the long haul, it doesn't work.
Wanna know what yo-yo dieting occurs?
yo yo dieting happens when people do dumb fad diets like paleo and restrict whole food groups and then binge on said food groups and wonder why "dieting" is so hard…
when in reality it is easy ….eat in a deficit, hit your calorie, micro/macro goals, and eat the foods that you like ….
CICO ALWAYS works…it is not a temporary burn ..
do you even understand math????
CICO always works if you can stick with it. Most people (over 90% can't) because calorie counting can be tedious and a pain in the butt. Just like most who try veganism quit because it's impossible.
So why would you criticize someone who is doing Paleo, not counting calories, and successfully losing weight?
And by the way, I would never do Paleo because I love cheese.
the bolded statement makes no sense..
if CiCO always works but most people can't calorie count, then what other alternative is there?
and Paleo is just dumb, because there is no such thing..unless you want to eat grubs, plants, and raw meat all day ...
So what don't you understand?
The sentence makes sense to me - "CICO always works, if you stick with it. Calorie counting is a GIANT pain in the butt so over 90% quit eventually" as for the veganism - yep that is impossible and so most quit. (sorry Prettykitty, I have altered what you said to help him understand)
Prettykitty, I love cheese and wine and socialising but still consider myself Paleo/Primal. That gives me the leeway to do as I please.
and Ndj, if there is no such thing as Paleo, I think I will just pinch the name. It is such a good word. Easy to say and even easier to do. And by the way, what wrong with grubs, plants and rare meat? I'm Australian.
IF CICO does not work, then what is the alternative…oh wait, there is none because math and physics and all that stuff..
and if you want to eat grubs, rare meat, and plants, knock yourself out.
People lose a ton of weight using various methods, are never hungry at the end of the day, while never counting a calorie. How hard is that to understand?
Doesn't matter that they are eating fewer calories than they did before. The are not COUNTING them.
good, we agree there is no alternative to CICO..I am glad you finally came to that conclusion, as you are always all over these boards arguing a calorie is not a calorie and every other kind of nonsense.0 -
Hi Elly, jut wanted you to know that since I started logging my calories on January 1, I've lost 7 of the 11 pounds I wanted to lose, and 2 inches from chest, 2.5 from waist, 1.5 from hips, and 1.5 from waist. And I am 51, in full-blown menopause. Just to be clear, I did restrict calories--to 1200 a day--and am very satisfied eating just meat, veggies, fruits, nuts/seeds, and healthy oils, with the occasional seed (quinoa) thrown in to ease constipation.
Here's another simple recipe you might want to try: put 1/2 cup blueberries and 4 large strawberries, sliced, into a bowl. Add 1/2 cup cooked quinoa. Nuke for 1 minute; stir; nuke another minute. Stir and add 1 teaspoon pure maple syrup. This was my cheat meal. So calorie restriction is my deal, but Paleo was the way of eating that most resonated for me. I hope it works that way with you. 0 -
I'm starting week five of paleo and it's been great. I never really ate many sweets or processed foods to begin with, but a year or so of drinking and late night pizza eating packed on unwanted pounds. So far just four weeks in, I've lost 13 pounds. I feel better and it's hard to stop when you see results. I work out more on top of the diet, so definitely don't just rely on the diet to drop the weight. Feel free to friend request me! I'm a newbie but will answer any questions I can.0
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Dreamyriver wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »NdJ, no one is saying CICO doesn't work. You are arguing with no one.
Liftng4Lis, must admit, once was enough for me but here are some great "bugs" to eat.
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/29853/garlic+butter+moreton+bay+bug+tails+with+garlic+walnut+mayo
and what's not to love about steak and vegetables or salad. I happen to like mine rare to medium as recommended by some of the best chefs.
i'm not even going to look...OMG, I came home yesterday to a humungo flipping bug on my wall and....seriously NOT kidding, took me 10 minutes to work up to "getting it".
Just NO...I'll stick to chocolate and meat...yep, this is what I need today.
Have a look - you might be surprised
Yum, crickets for dinner!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Dreamyriver wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »NdJ, no one is saying CICO doesn't work. You are arguing with no one.
Liftng4Lis, must admit, once was enough for me but here are some great "bugs" to eat.
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/29853/garlic+butter+moreton+bay+bug+tails+with+garlic+walnut+mayo
and what's not to love about steak and vegetables or salad. I happen to like mine rare to medium as recommended by some of the best chefs.
i'm not even going to look...OMG, I came home yesterday to a humungo flipping bug on my wall and....seriously NOT kidding, took me 10 minutes to work up to "getting it".
Just NO...I'll stick to chocolate and meat...yep, this is what I need today.
Have a look - you might be surprised
Yum, crickets for dinner!
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Hi Elly, jut wanted you to know that since I started logging my calories on January 1, I've lost 7 of the 11 pounds I wanted to lose, and 2 inches from chest, 2.5 from waist, 1.5 from hips, and 1.5 from waist. And I am 51, in full-blown menopause. Just to be clear, I did restrict calories--to 1200 a day--and am very satisfied eating just meat, veggies, fruits, nuts/seeds, and healthy oils, with the occasional seed (quinoa) thrown in to ease constipation.
Here's another simple recipe you might want to try: put 1/2 cup blueberries and 4 large strawberries, sliced, into a bowl. Add 1/2 cup cooked quinoa. Nuke for 1 minute; stir; nuke another minute. Stir and add 1 teaspoon pure maple syrup. This was my cheat meal. So calorie restriction is my deal, but Paleo was the way of eating that most resonated for me. I hope it works that way with you.
Thanks JVT!0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Dreamyriver wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »NdJ, no one is saying CICO doesn't work. You are arguing with no one.
Liftng4Lis, must admit, once was enough for me but here are some great "bugs" to eat.
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/29853/garlic+butter+moreton+bay+bug+tails+with+garlic+walnut+mayo
and what's not to love about steak and vegetables or salad. I happen to like mine rare to medium as recommended by some of the best chefs.
i'm not even going to look...OMG, I came home yesterday to a humungo flipping bug on my wall and....seriously NOT kidding, took me 10 minutes to work up to "getting it".
Just NO...I'll stick to chocolate and meat...yep, this is what I need today.
Have a look - you might be surprised
Yum, crickets for dinner!
Ok, someone got my order wrong. Those are definitely just field crickets and I'm not toucing such low brow food! 0 -
I went paleo *cringe* for the first part of last year, just to see what all the fuss was about.
I didn't like giving up peanuts (because they're beans) or limiting fruit because carbs and sugars (Paleo is dumb about some things). When I started missing fruit in my diet, I knew it was time to stop.
If it works for you as a means of calorie deficit, by all means do that. But don't let it make you crazy, is my advice.
It made me so crazy that I fell into a pile of bread at the end, completely satisfied, but I gained 15 lbs back. So what I'm saying is, if you want bread, it's okay. Work it in. If you don't, great for you.0 -
prettykitty1515 wrote: »prettykitty1515 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »jennamae102 wrote: »Why do certain users have to get so feisty on these boards? If you aren't interested in paleo or helping the OP why even bother wasting your time posting on this thread? It can be so frustrating wading though so much BS to read actual helpful posts.
Because paleo isn't help?
That's wrong man. Paleo is huge - it's definitely worth it - you can't "sugarcoat" it's effectiveness - and for those with diabetes, an excellent diet. Paleo is about eating fresh whole natural food. Oh yeah, I guess that's something that works against the standard Western diet that most of ya (not Paleos or sane people) would eat. Continue down your processed food trail man, the doctors will be glad to take on your conditions and take your money too.
Hi Ted! See my profile pic? 105lbs gone without restricting myself. I ate what I wanted and when I wanted without someone telling me that processed food was bad for me like you just did. I ate what people like you call 'junk'. Fast food, chips, processed food, Ice cream, cake, all the food that you hate played a part in my nutrition. I will stick to what helped me. Thanks!
Check your visceral fat levels by getting blood work done. Over the long term, you will find yourself at the doctor's office with issues and that's guaranteed. You might get the initial burn of a deficit-based system, but over the long haul, it doesn't work.
Wanna know what yo-yo dieting occurs?
yo yo dieting happens when people do dumb fad diets like paleo and restrict whole food groups and then binge on said food groups and wonder why "dieting" is so hard…
when in reality it is easy ….eat in a deficit, hit your calorie, micro/macro goals, and eat the foods that you like ….
CICO ALWAYS works…it is not a temporary burn ..
do you even understand math????
CICO always works if you can stick with it. Most people (over 90% can't) because calorie counting can be tedious and a pain in the butt. Just like most who try veganism quit because it's impossible.
So why would you criticize someone who is doing Paleo, not counting calories, and successfully losing weight?
And by the way, I would never do Paleo because I love cheese.
the bolded statement makes no sense..
if CiCO always works but most people can't calorie count, then what other alternative is there?
and Paleo is just dumb, because there is no such thing..unless you want to eat grubs, plants, and raw meat all day ...
So what don't you understand?
The sentence makes sense to me - "CICO always works, if you stick with it. Calorie counting is a GIANT pain in the butt so over 90% quit eventually" as for the veganism - yep that is impossible and so most quit. (sorry Prettykitty, I have altered what you said to help him understand)
Prettykitty, I love cheese and wine and socialising but still consider myself Paleo/Primal. That gives me the leeway to do as I please.
and Ndj, if there is no such thing as Paleo, I think I will just pinch the name. It is such a good word. Easy to say and even easier to do. And by the way, what wrong with grubs, plants and rare meat? I'm Australian.
IF CICO does not work, then what is the alternative…oh wait, there is none because math and physics and all that stuff..
and if you want to eat grubs, rare meat, and plants, knock yourself out.
People lose a ton of weight using various methods, are never hungry at the end of the day, while never counting a calorie. How hard is that to understand?
Doesn't matter that they are eating fewer calories than they did before. The are not COUNTING them.
I don't think you get it. CICO does not equal Calorie Counting. Those are not the same thing. CICO is calories in, calories out. The calories being counted or tracked have no baring. CICO is an umbrella that encompasses all weight loss diets (low carb, paleo, etc). Every diet requires Calories In to be less than Calories Out to lose weight. You clear now?
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avvgromano wrote: »
That's a common objection to the paleo diet, but actually you can be unaware of the issues that they give you (like myself). Try to cut them for 3/4 weeks and see how your body reacts...lemurcat12 wrote: »Because not everyone is lactose intolerant or celiac or has issues with beans (and probably very few people are all three).
Seems unlikely, frankly, that there are all these people out there with food issues and no idea there was something wrong. More likely the issues are in the person's mind (much "gluten sensitivity" is arguably of that sort) or--quite commonly--you end up eating better overall when you change your diet. (It is amazing how many people develop sensitivities when things become trendy, or at least that's so in the social circles I know.) I feel bad when I eat a super carb-heavy diet, and I see people who have the same experience jump to the other extreme and cut out most carbs or, as with paleo, all grains and legumes, etc., and then attribute it to that, when for many people it's just a matter of eating a more balanced healthier diet.
But anyway I'm in favor of people experimenting with their diet to see how they feel better. (I even like the idea of the Whole30, although I've experimented enough with my own diet that I don't think the elimination would help me now--I know dairy isn't an issue or potatoes (though I think they finally relented on potatoes, which never made much sense to eliminate anyway).) I just don't like the paleo claims that I think are false about the proper human diet being grain free and legume free and all that. (Like I said before, I eat grains pretty sparingly myself, but I don't see a point to elimination and--more significantly--I don't claim that grains are unhealthy or bad additions to the diet of most people.)
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Dreamyriver wrote: »Liftng4Lis wrote: »NdJ, no one is saying CICO doesn't work. You are arguing with no one.
Liftng4Lis, must admit, once was enough for me but here are some great "bugs" to eat.
http://www.taste.com.au/recipes/29853/garlic+butter+moreton+bay+bug+tails+with+garlic+walnut+mayo
and what's not to love about steak and vegetables or salad. I happen to like mine rare to medium as recommended by some of the best chefs.
i'm not even going to look...OMG, I came home yesterday to a humungo flipping bug on my wall and....seriously NOT kidding, took me 10 minutes to work up to "getting it".
Just NO...I'll stick to chocolate and meat...yep, this is what I need today.
Have a look - you might be surprised
Yum, crickets for dinner!
I'm actually open to trying crickets. I had mopane when in South Africa and while I can't say I actually liked it, eating bugs isn't really any weirder than anything else we eat and I try to be open to most things and not impose cultural food prejudices. (That said, I could not do dog or cat.)0 -
prettykitty1515 wrote: »People lose a ton of weight using various methods, are never hungry at the end of the day, while never counting a calorie. How hard is that to understand?
Doesn't matter that they are eating fewer calories than they did before. The are not COUNTING them.
Yes, of course. I've done it myself. Counting is a more fun way for me to do it for now, but I get that some people don't like it. Doesn't change the fact that it's still CICO.
And if you are hungry when counting you aren't doing it right.
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