What are the bad carbs?
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Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.0 -
I mentioned 400 pounds because I realize that yes, people can become overweight from eating a balanced diet. But there's a difference between having (for example) 50 pounds of extra fat versus 200+ extra pounds of weight.mamapeach910 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science is science, but chances are you won't find too many 400 pound people walking around who got there by filling a large portion of their diet with high micro nutrient foods while keeping intake of low nutrient foods on the low side. A lot of people who are trying to gain muscle can attest to the fact that it can be very hard eating very "clean".
Obesity occurs regardless of nutrients. It occurs based on eating too many calories. Plenty of people here became overweight by "eating clean" or similarly.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think that low nutrient density carb foods in general are necessarily bad if one is meeting their nutrient needs. I don't think obesity stats would be where they are if everyone ate these foods in moderation while meeting 100% of their nutrient needs. That's not to say there wouldn't be any overweight people, but I'm sure the rates would be a lot lower.ForecasterJason wrote: »
In terms of good and bad carbs, I wasn't referring to weight control, but rather the overall nutrient density of the carb source. In other words, the carb sources with the most nutrients should make up the majority of one's diet while the carb sources that are lacking in micros should be eaten in moderation.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well no, I don't think they would be bad for you in that case, but I'd say they're still to be eating in moderation, like the other poster said. However, I could still see it as being "bad carbs" since the "good carbs" should make up more of one's diet.njitaliana wrote: »Here are some links to help answer your question:
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/carbs_versus.html
http://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/101/nutrition-basics/good-carbs-bad-carbs.aspx
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/carbs/simple-vs-complex-carbohydrates.html#b
So I will ask again....
What it I just finished training heavy?
What is I just finished training heavy while bulking?
Would some white bread or white rice be bad for me?
Would some write rice and steak be bad for me since the whole GI rating of the rice chages?
Bumping this because I guess those that are preaching about bad carbs didn't see it.
Why? Am i going to somehow get fat if I eat the same calories of "bad carbs" that I did "good carbs"?
Good and bad is subjective and based on your goals. If you want something that will digest more quickly, you'd opt for a simple carb. Maybe you'd opt for complex carbs in the AM because it keeps you fuller.
And in 40 years some scientist will probably publish a paper discussing the negatives of consuming too many complex carbs vs simple carbs and everyone will thus preach that "bad" carbs are now complex carbs.
Or you are like me and don't have any idea wtf a simple and complex carb is because food is food is food.
And why would carbs with lower micro values be "bad" then? No carbs are bad. I eat plenty of food in general with low nutrients. I also eat plenty with high nutrients. I just don't monitor this in any way, as it all balances out naturally. It's simply idiotic to delineate which carbs should be eaten more often than others outside of satiety, how quickly you need to benefit from the energy, and how tasty they are.
All food must be eaten in moderation. Meaning eating reasonable calories for one's weight. You can have a day eating mostly nutrient-dense foods or a day eating mostly low-nutrient foods if you wanted.
Also, you seem to be looking at only weight control here. I'm looking at from a general health perspective. Someone who's eating a lot of low nutrient dense foods and not as much high nutrient dense foods will run the risk for micro nutrient deficiencies and other health issues.
I just shake my head at your posts sometimes, honestly.
Where does the 400 pounds come from?
Will 210 be enough to convince you that a micro-nutri dense diet isn't the be all and end all of diets?
I have celiac disease, I can't eat packaged foods and the like, and haven't touched the stuff in almost 20 years. A little diner near me has some food that I can eat and it's locally sourced farm-to table type stuff. I usually get vegetarian chili or roasted vegetables over quinoa when I go. So that's it for food I don't cook myself from scratch. I'm a whole foods vegetarian, I don't eat meat analogs, and make my own bean loaves and patties. I moderate my carb intake, aim to eat a high fiber diet, and eat a wide range of vegetables in good quantities. I also eat good amounts of Greek yogurt, eggs, and small amounts of healthy fats like olive oil and almonds.
I was convinced that eating this way should be enough to get me slim, but I'm older, I'm short, and I hit a bad spot in my life, and became a lot less active and the weight just piled on. Eating all that healthy food didn't matter. How much of it I was eating mattered.
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What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
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In my case though, I don't have actual food allergies (that I know of.) Just increased sensitivity and/or lack of proper tolerance levels.herrspoons wrote: »
If you know you have an allergy then don't eat it. That should be obvious.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
In my case though, I don't have actual food allergies (that I know of.) Just increased sensitivity and/or lack of proper tolerance levels.herrspoons wrote: »
If you know you have an allergy then don't eat it. That should be obvious.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_bowel_syndrome
See a doctor. It's not "good/bad" carbs.
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Ok. But in the case of last night, the cheesecake became "bad carbs" for me.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Again we get back to you and your foosensitivities and your "abnormally high metabolism". You just can't ever discuss food without it being good/bad and crossing into the areas that are your problems. They are your problems, stop trying to justify applying what you have to do to fit everyone.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
While lactose is technically a carb, if you ask someone for a list of "bad carbs", I have a feeling you'd be waiting a very long time before someone responded "milk"...0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
In my case though, I don't have actual food allergies (that I know of.) Just increased sensitivity and/or lack of proper tolerance levels.herrspoons wrote: »
If you know you have an allergy then don't eat it. That should be obvious.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Then don't eat it.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I mentioned 400 pounds because I realize that yes, people can become overweight from eating a balanced diet. But there's a difference between having (for example) 50 pounds of extra fat versus 200+ extra pounds of weight.mamapeach910 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science is science, but chances are you won't find too many 400 pound people walking around who got there by filling a large portion of their diet with high micro nutrient foods while keeping intake of low nutrient foods on the low side. A lot of people who are trying to gain muscle can attest to the fact that it can be very hard eating very "clean".
Obesity occurs regardless of nutrients. It occurs based on eating too many calories. Plenty of people here became overweight by "eating clean" or similarly.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think that low nutrient density carb foods in general are necessarily bad if one is meeting their nutrient needs. I don't think obesity stats would be where they are if everyone ate these foods in moderation while meeting 100% of their nutrient needs. That's not to say there wouldn't be any overweight people, but I'm sure the rates would be a lot lower.ForecasterJason wrote: »
In terms of good and bad carbs, I wasn't referring to weight control, but rather the overall nutrient density of the carb source. In other words, the carb sources with the most nutrients should make up the majority of one's diet while the carb sources that are lacking in micros should be eaten in moderation.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well no, I don't think they would be bad for you in that case, but I'd say they're still to be eating in moderation, like the other poster said. However, I could still see it as being "bad carbs" since the "good carbs" should make up more of one's diet.njitaliana wrote: »Here are some links to help answer your question:
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/carbs_versus.html
http://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/101/nutrition-basics/good-carbs-bad-carbs.aspx
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/carbs/simple-vs-complex-carbohydrates.html#b
So I will ask again....
What it I just finished training heavy?
What is I just finished training heavy while bulking?
Would some white bread or white rice be bad for me?
Would some write rice and steak be bad for me since the whole GI rating of the rice chages?
Bumping this because I guess those that are preaching about bad carbs didn't see it.
Why? Am i going to somehow get fat if I eat the same calories of "bad carbs" that I did "good carbs"?
Good and bad is subjective and based on your goals. If you want something that will digest more quickly, you'd opt for a simple carb. Maybe you'd opt for complex carbs in the AM because it keeps you fuller.
And in 40 years some scientist will probably publish a paper discussing the negatives of consuming too many complex carbs vs simple carbs and everyone will thus preach that "bad" carbs are now complex carbs.
Or you are like me and don't have any idea wtf a simple and complex carb is because food is food is food.
And why would carbs with lower micro values be "bad" then? No carbs are bad. I eat plenty of food in general with low nutrients. I also eat plenty with high nutrients. I just don't monitor this in any way, as it all balances out naturally. It's simply idiotic to delineate which carbs should be eaten more often than others outside of satiety, how quickly you need to benefit from the energy, and how tasty they are.
All food must be eaten in moderation. Meaning eating reasonable calories for one's weight. You can have a day eating mostly nutrient-dense foods or a day eating mostly low-nutrient foods if you wanted.
Also, you seem to be looking at only weight control here. I'm looking at from a general health perspective. Someone who's eating a lot of low nutrient dense foods and not as much high nutrient dense foods will run the risk for micro nutrient deficiencies and other health issues.
I just shake my head at your posts sometimes, honestly.
Where does the 400 pounds come from?
Will 210 be enough to convince you that a micro-nutri dense diet isn't the be all and end all of diets?
I have celiac disease, I can't eat packaged foods and the like, and haven't touched the stuff in almost 20 years. A little diner near me has some food that I can eat and it's locally sourced farm-to table type stuff. I usually get vegetarian chili or roasted vegetables over quinoa when I go. So that's it for food I don't cook myself from scratch. I'm a whole foods vegetarian, I don't eat meat analogs, and make my own bean loaves and patties. I moderate my carb intake, aim to eat a high fiber diet, and eat a wide range of vegetables in good quantities. I also eat good amounts of Greek yogurt, eggs, and small amounts of healthy fats like olive oil and almonds.
I was convinced that eating this way should be enough to get me slim, but I'm older, I'm short, and I hit a bad spot in my life, and became a lot less active and the weight just piled on. Eating all that healthy food didn't matter. How much of it I was eating mattered.
The thing is, though, that you seem like you're trying to make a point, and you're just missing it.
No one is saying not to eat an overall nutritious, balance diet. No one. No one has ever said that. But the word diet is a comprehensive concept. It takes into account the balance, the total sum of what a person eats. It's a big picture concept. If you are eating, on the whole, nutritiously dense food, food that is nutritiously not dense is not going to rob you of anything. It's not going to lead you to a deficiency of anything.
You don't get extra credit points and a gold star sticker from your organs or your circulatory system for taking in more nutrients than it needs.
Your mental health is important too. Sometmes, having a donut because you're at a social function where everyone else is noshing on donuts and you want to be part of the fun is just something that you want to do. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that if you can fit the calories in your day. It's not a bad choice to make. It's a mentally healthy, well-adjusted choice to make.
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Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
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No it didn't, because you reacted to something that wasn't a carb and to something that would only cause issues if one is allergic/sensitive.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok. But in the case of last night, the cheesecake became "bad carbs" for me.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Again we get back to you and your foosensitivities and your "abnormally high metabolism". You just can't ever discuss food without it being good/bad and crossing into the areas that are your problems. They are your problems, stop trying to justify applying what you have to do to fit everyone.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
In my case though, I don't have actual food allergies (that I know of.) Just increased sensitivity and/or lack of proper tolerance levels.herrspoons wrote: »
If you know you have an allergy then don't eat it. That should be obvious.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Stop trying to diagnose yourself and see a doctor.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
While lactose is technically a carb, if you ask someone for a list of "bad carbs", I have a feeling you'd be waiting a very long time before someone responded "milk"...
Or more specifically "lactose." Unless they then tell you that only free-range non-pasteurized or w/e milk is the only "good carb" milk. In which case you would still react the same because your reaction has nothing to do with carbs in and of themselves.
And are we still ignoring the inclusion of fat in the discussion of bad vs good carbs??0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
IBS - see a doctor.
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I do understand that.mamapeach910 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
I mentioned 400 pounds because I realize that yes, people can become overweight from eating a balanced diet. But there's a difference between having (for example) 50 pounds of extra fat versus 200+ extra pounds of weight.mamapeach910 wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science is science, but chances are you won't find too many 400 pound people walking around who got there by filling a large portion of their diet with high micro nutrient foods while keeping intake of low nutrient foods on the low side. A lot of people who are trying to gain muscle can attest to the fact that it can be very hard eating very "clean".
Obesity occurs regardless of nutrients. It occurs based on eating too many calories. Plenty of people here became overweight by "eating clean" or similarly.ForecasterJason wrote: »
I don't think that low nutrient density carb foods in general are necessarily bad if one is meeting their nutrient needs. I don't think obesity stats would be where they are if everyone ate these foods in moderation while meeting 100% of their nutrient needs. That's not to say there wouldn't be any overweight people, but I'm sure the rates would be a lot lower.ForecasterJason wrote: »
In terms of good and bad carbs, I wasn't referring to weight control, but rather the overall nutrient density of the carb source. In other words, the carb sources with the most nutrients should make up the majority of one's diet while the carb sources that are lacking in micros should be eaten in moderation.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Well no, I don't think they would be bad for you in that case, but I'd say they're still to be eating in moderation, like the other poster said. However, I could still see it as being "bad carbs" since the "good carbs" should make up more of one's diet.njitaliana wrote: »Here are some links to help answer your question:
http://www.nutritionmd.org/nutrition_tips/nutrition_tips_understand_foods/carbs_versus.html
http://www.everydayhealth.com/diet-nutrition/101/nutrition-basics/good-carbs-bad-carbs.aspx
http://www.fitday.com/fitness-articles/nutrition/carbs/simple-vs-complex-carbohydrates.html#b
So I will ask again....
What it I just finished training heavy?
What is I just finished training heavy while bulking?
Would some white bread or white rice be bad for me?
Would some write rice and steak be bad for me since the whole GI rating of the rice chages?
Bumping this because I guess those that are preaching about bad carbs didn't see it.
Why? Am i going to somehow get fat if I eat the same calories of "bad carbs" that I did "good carbs"?
Good and bad is subjective and based on your goals. If you want something that will digest more quickly, you'd opt for a simple carb. Maybe you'd opt for complex carbs in the AM because it keeps you fuller.
And in 40 years some scientist will probably publish a paper discussing the negatives of consuming too many complex carbs vs simple carbs and everyone will thus preach that "bad" carbs are now complex carbs.
Or you are like me and don't have any idea wtf a simple and complex carb is because food is food is food.
And why would carbs with lower micro values be "bad" then? No carbs are bad. I eat plenty of food in general with low nutrients. I also eat plenty with high nutrients. I just don't monitor this in any way, as it all balances out naturally. It's simply idiotic to delineate which carbs should be eaten more often than others outside of satiety, how quickly you need to benefit from the energy, and how tasty they are.
All food must be eaten in moderation. Meaning eating reasonable calories for one's weight. You can have a day eating mostly nutrient-dense foods or a day eating mostly low-nutrient foods if you wanted.
Also, you seem to be looking at only weight control here. I'm looking at from a general health perspective. Someone who's eating a lot of low nutrient dense foods and not as much high nutrient dense foods will run the risk for micro nutrient deficiencies and other health issues.
I just shake my head at your posts sometimes, honestly.
Where does the 400 pounds come from?
Will 210 be enough to convince you that a micro-nutri dense diet isn't the be all and end all of diets?
I have celiac disease, I can't eat packaged foods and the like, and haven't touched the stuff in almost 20 years. A little diner near me has some food that I can eat and it's locally sourced farm-to table type stuff. I usually get vegetarian chili or roasted vegetables over quinoa when I go. So that's it for food I don't cook myself from scratch. I'm a whole foods vegetarian, I don't eat meat analogs, and make my own bean loaves and patties. I moderate my carb intake, aim to eat a high fiber diet, and eat a wide range of vegetables in good quantities. I also eat good amounts of Greek yogurt, eggs, and small amounts of healthy fats like olive oil and almonds.
I was convinced that eating this way should be enough to get me slim, but I'm older, I'm short, and I hit a bad spot in my life, and became a lot less active and the weight just piled on. Eating all that healthy food didn't matter. How much of it I was eating mattered.
The thing is, though, that you seem like you're trying to make a point, and you're just missing it.
No one is saying not to eat an overall nutritious, balance diet. No one. No one has ever said that. But the word diet is a comprehensive concept. It takes into account the balance, the total sum of what a person eats. It's a big picture concept. If you are eating, on the whole, nutritiously dense food, food that is nutritiously not dense is not going to rob you of anything. It's not going to lead you to a deficiency of anything.
You don't get extra credit points and a gold star sticker from your organs or your circulatory system for taking in more nutrients than it needs.
Your mental health is important too. Sometmes, having a donut because you're at a social function where everyone else is noshing on donuts and you want to be part of the fun is just something that you want to do. And you know what? There's nothing wrong with that if you can fit the calories in your day. It's not a bad choice to make. It's a mentally healthy, well-adjusted choice to make.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok. But in the case of last night, the cheesecake became "bad carbs" for me.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Again we get back to you and your foosensitivities and your "abnormally high metabolism". You just can't ever discuss food without it being good/bad and crossing into the areas that are your problems. They are your problems, stop trying to justify applying what you have to do to fit everyone.
Wut? Can you even logic?
No. This just means you probably have either lactose intolerance or IBS. It has nothing to do with the carb.
Sweet fancy Moses. I have celiac disease. I don't think pizza is a bad carb just because it would do bad things to my body.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
So you consider lactose to be a "bad carb"? Do you also avoid all dairy then because it is a "bad carb"? If you are lactose-intolerant that just means you are lactose-intolerant. If I'm allergic to peanuts it doesn't mean that peanuts are a "bad" fat whereas olive oil is a "good fat" because I"m not allergic to it.
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obscuremusicreference wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »There are no bad carbs, unless you're talking about those awful biscuits that could have doubled as hockey pucks my grandmother made that one Easter. Oh! And waxy chocolate. It's just not worth the calories.
And overcooked pasta and undercooked french fries and cakes with "surprise" ingredients like mayonnaise
Avoid those, OP.
Wtf? Who puts mayo in a cake?
My grandmother had a recipe for a mayonnaise cake -- a dark chocolate cake with mayonnaise instead of fat or oil. I wish I still had the recipe. It was awesome. If that was a bad carb, then send me to whereever that dear lady went when she passed away.0 -
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I have long suspected I have that, and have actually improved my symptoms with probiotics and probiotic rich foods.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
IBS - see a doctor.
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Wow. Just wow.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok. But in the case of last night, the cheesecake became "bad carbs" for me.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Again we get back to you and your foosensitivities and your "abnormally high metabolism". You just can't ever discuss food without it being good/bad and crossing into the areas that are your problems. They are your problems, stop trying to justify applying what you have to do to fit everyone.
Well. In that logic. Attention everyone, please no one ever use Penecillin because it's bad. When I was a baby I was given it and I we t unresponsive because they didn't know I was allergic to it. So it's bad.
No one drink milk. It's bad. My father is lactose intolerant and messes him up if he has it. So please don't drink milk because it's bad.
I used to be allergic to eggs. So they are bad. But I also outgrew the allergy. So they are now good.
It's a flux.0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
I have long suspected I have that, and have actually improved my symptoms with probiotics and probiotic rich foods.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
IBS - see a doctor.
See a flippin' doctor. Yes, probiotics can be part of the treatment for it, but there's more involved than that.
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No, I wouldn't consider lactose itself a bad carb. I can tolerate cheese and yogurt.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
So you consider lactose to be a "bad carb"? Do you also avoid all dairy then because it is a "bad carb"? If you are lactose-intolerant that just means you are lactose-intolerant. If I'm allergic to peanuts it doesn't mean that peanuts are a "bad" fat whereas olive oil is a "good fat" because I"m not allergic to it.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
I have long suspected I have that, and have actually improved my symptoms with probiotics and probiotic rich foods.EvgeniZyntx wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
IBS - see a doctor.
Have you seen a doctor - the probiotics possibly point to some issues that could be managed. See the Wikipedia article upstream - it is actually reasonably well edited.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
No, I wouldn't consider lactose itself a bad carb. I can tolerate cheese and yogurt.ForecasterJason wrote: »
Ok, I'm well aware that fat and carbs are separate macronutrients. But if the lactose was the problem, then we're back to talking about carbs.ForecasterJason wrote: »
What about situations like food sensitivities? For instance, it is true that I had a slice of cheesecake towards the end of the day yesterday. I felt perfectly fine before, but my digestive system did get unsettled afterwards. I suspect it's related to the amount of lactose and/or fat I'd already eaten earlier in the day, as those are two things that I do have some sensitivities with (especially lactose). Had I eaten some grapes (for example) instead of the cheesecake, I'm pretty certain I would have felt fine later.Donuts are not "bad carbs" for your physical body. They are only "bad" if your entire diet consisted of donuts. Which it doesnt, because context.
There are no good or bad carbs.
Food sensitivities do not make carbs bad. I do not eat gluten, 5 years now, due to my own sensitivities. Yet I eat GF alternatives all the time. Which are full of carbs. Full of "bad" carbs.
And fat is not a carb. If you are lactose-intolerant or have an issue with eating foods that are too fatty then you would have had the same issues if you'd eaten a high-fat lactose-containing "good carb" meal.
So you consider lactose to be a "bad carb"? Do you also avoid all dairy then because it is a "bad carb"? If you are lactose-intolerant that just means you are lactose-intolerant. If I'm allergic to peanuts it doesn't mean that peanuts are a "bad" fat whereas olive oil is a "good fat" because I"m not allergic to it.
Then why would cheesecake suddenly become a "bad carb" when you are saying that you reacted to the lactose. Which would be in cheese and yogurt (ETA, or apparently not. So that would be why you aren't reacting.)
Go get a goddamn allergy test done. Or do an elimination diet (this is what I did - while I have IBS symptoms I only react with those IBS symptoms when I eat glutenous foods, so it was easier for me to just cut that out of my diet than to bother with testing; I do not noticeably react to any other food on IBS lists even when eaten in excess).
And just stop.
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