Split Lifting Days

krknobbe10
krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
edited November 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
I am now on a 4 day split lift day with one day where I do total body. Thinking about going to a 6 day split with working out each muscle group separately in 6 days. Just wondering what are people's thoughts on this. Think it's a good idea? Any recommendations? Have seen results from the program I am on now. I was thinking about doing cardio after lifting for maybe 30min two days after my lifting and doing cardio in the AM three days a week.

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  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Will you listen if we talk?
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    jacksonpt wrote: »
    Will you listen if we talk?


    this. you have posted many threads asking for advice, but it falls on deaf ears.
  • alyhuggan
    alyhuggan Posts: 717 Member
    I tore my tricep tendon and constantly felt exhausted while doing a 6 day split. It might be do-able while bulking but I certainly couldn't do it while cutting.

    I would avoid anything more than a 5 day lifting split.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    jacksonpt wrote: »
    Will you listen if we talk?


    this. you have posted many threads asking for advice, but it falls on deaf ears.
    I have made improvements like lifting heavy and cutting on cardio and eating more. But what else do you have?
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    edited March 2015
    for the average person, a 6day split is going to be pretty inefficient. If cutting, it could be pretty draining too, depending on how you structure your sessions.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    Okay. I am getting addicted to lifting and the results so just thought it would be an idea for my next workouts after I get tired of this plus it would cut out one day of doing just cardio over my lunch.
    What would be another way to switch things ups? Just so my body does not get used to what I am doing now.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Your body "gets used" to a certain level of intensity. If you continue to increase weight and/or reps, you don't to worry much about your body adapting.

    IMO, keep your routine based on a handful of primary lifts. Work each muscle group 2-3x week. Change up your accessory work if you want to change things up periodically. If you choose to do full body 3 days per week, fine. If you want to do push/pull, fine. Upper/lower, fine.

    Ultimately though, if you want to get good at something, you'll have to stick with it.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited March 2015
    jacksonpt wrote: »
    Your body "gets used" to a certain level of intensity. If you continue to increase weight and/or reps, you don't to worry much about your body adapting.

    IMO, keep your routine based on a handful of primary lifts. Work each muscle group 2-3x week. Change up your accessory work if you want to change things up periodically. If you choose to do full body 3 days per week, fine. If you want to do push/pull, fine. Upper/lower, fine.

    Ultimately though, if you want to get good at something, you'll have to stick with it.

    Spot on ^^^ Hump.gif
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    Yes I do the major lifts like squat and bench and deadlift. But I get what you are saying by the accessory work. I will keep adding muscle but do want to keep it low reps. But I work each muscle group three times a week as of now. I feel the split days work better for me and my time contraints.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited March 2015
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Yes I do the major lifts like squat and bench and deadlift. But I get what you are saying by the accessory work. I will keep adding muscle but do want to keep it low reps. But I work each muscle group three times a week as of now. I feel the split days work better for me and my time contraints.

    Here
    http://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/power-muscle-burn-5-day-powerbuilding-split.html

    If you want to do a 5 day, that is about the max you should go. You just need to be on a plan of some sort. What is the point of going in there half cocked. Get on a proven plan, stick to it as directed, and profit. You are putting entirely too much thought into what you need to be doing and not enough doing.

    It also incorporates different rep ranges so you don't get bored.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Yes I do the major lifts like squat and bench and deadlift. But I get what you are saying by the accessory work. I will keep adding muscle but do want to keep it low reps. But I work each muscle group three times a week as of now. I feel the split days work better for me and my time contraints.

    don't dismiss higher rep work. 10+ reps can be good for your muscular endurance.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    I usually stay in the 10-12 range and if I am having troubles, I stop and take some deep breaths and finish out my reps. This seems to work for me as I have seen results all over. Would you think doing cardio twice a day is bad? Even if I eat back most my calories?
    Here is the workout schedule I am thinking:
    Monday- AM cardio and lift in afternoon
    Tuesday- Lifting at lunch and little cardio after
    Wednesday- AM cardio and maybe some cardio at lunch
    Thursday- lift and little cardio at lunch
    Friday- AM cardio and lift a lunch
    Saturday- Full body with cardio after
    I know it seems like a lot of cardio but I mix it up and not everything is high intensity.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    I usually stay in the 10-12 range and if I am having troubles, I stop and take some deep breaths and finish out my reps. This seems to work for me as I have seen results all over. Would you think doing cardio twice a day is bad? Even if I eat back most my calories?
    Here is the workout schedule I am thinking:
    Monday- AM cardio and lift in afternoon
    Tuesday- Lifting at lunch and little cardio after
    Wednesday- AM cardio and maybe some cardio at lunch
    Thursday- lift and little cardio at lunch
    Friday- AM cardio and lift a lunch
    Saturday- Full body with cardio after
    I know it seems like a lot of cardio but I mix it up and not everything is high intensity.

    Taken at face value, I've gotta think it's going to be hard to make any meaningful progress in any area with that type of schedule.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    Maybe Wednesday I will cut the afternoon cardio and go home at lunch and do yoga that night.
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    edited March 2015
    You aren't listening again and don't seem to every want to actually get it.

    Here is the deal. most people would be happy to start where you are starting. Most of us had a *kitten* ton of weight to lose before we were in your position. Now that you are getting started, you are trying to rush the process.

    Know this, NO MATTER WHAT it is going to take you a XX amount of days to get to your goal. Everyone is telling you how to get to your goal as fast as scientifically possible, yet, you keep saying how you are going to continue with your plan. Your plan will take you LONGER to get to your goal. (At least as far as I can tell from your plan as I don't know the specifics). I am not sure on why you are wanting to reinvent the wheel. Your body needs time to recover and I am not sure how that can happen on 6 days a week. You do realize that even though an exercise is considered a back exercise, it works other muscles as well?
  • 4theking
    4theking Posts: 1,196 Member
    You have good advice here. Slow and steady always wins!
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    I will play around with it and see. I'm not looking to put on 10 lbs of muscle. I feel as if I am going slow with what I am at now. Just looking to mix up my days.
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    edited March 2015
    Do you have any specific training-related goals?
  • ew_david
    ew_david Posts: 3,473 Member
    What is your goal?

    Figure that out first. You sound like you're all over the place.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    Ultimately to build some muscle and lower my body fat %. I don't think I could do the whole bulking cycle then cutting.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    you don't seem to stick to any one plan for too long. you've always got to try and tweak it or something.

    go out and get some books, like new rules of lifting, 5/3/1, starting strength, whatever. read them. learn. stick to something for 3-6 months before you re-evaluate your program.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    edited March 2015
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Ultimately to build some muscle and lower my body fat %. I don't think I could do the whole bulking cycle then cutting.

    Is that not quicker than a body recomp cycle?

  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Ultimately to build some muscle and lower my body fat %. I don't think I could do the whole bulking cycle then cutting.

    so a recomp?? that takes a really really long time. you need to have patience.
  • Sam_I_Am77
    Sam_I_Am77 Posts: 2,093 Member
    edited March 2015
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Okay. I am getting addicted to lifting and the results so just thought it would be an idea for my next workouts after I get tired of this plus it would cut out one day of doing just cardio over my lunch.
    What would be another way to switch things ups?

    Focus on less, focus on quality.
    Just so my body does not get used to what I am doing now.

    This is one way in-which most people don't understand strength-training. First, let's review the SAID principle or also referred to as the Specificity Principle. The body will adapt to the demands imposed upon. In order to get stronger in something like the Squat, one must Squat, and the body MUST adapt to it (aka get use to it) in order to get stronger. Over-time you can change the intensity of the load used with the Squat so your body continues to be pushed and forces more adaptation (aka progressive overload). Why bother getting stronger in something like the Squat? Why not Squat one week, Clean next week, Front Squat the following week, Deadlift the week after that, Leg Press the following week and then Squat again a month or so later? Because something like the Squat trains all key lower body muscle group, provides some Core activation, and even causes some upper back muscle activation to stabilize the bar. Essentially it covers many muscles group to where if you continually improve your strength in the Squat, you will improve your overall daily function. If you are constantly mixing *kitten*-up, your body won't know what the *kitten* you're doing and you'll go nowhere. The concept of "Muscle Confusion" that BeachBody represents is complete and utter *kitten*.

    I'm not saying all you need to do is Squat, that was just an example. But you are much better off training less frequently, and training hard with quality exercises and quality repetitions. I can tell you that I've been training for a while now on 3-days a week and no more than 7 to 8 of the same exercises and I've never looked back to the old days of 4 to 5 days with a dozen or so exercises.

    Unless your are specifically training for body-building, you can easily train 3 to 4 times per week and make great gains in strength. I would highly recommend sticking to a trainer with a good background that can help you with your goals or a proven strength training plan such as Beyond 5/3/1, Starting Strength, StrongLifts, etc.
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    Can you explain what a recomp entails?
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    edited March 2015
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Ultimately to build some muscle and lower my body fat %. I don't think I could do the whole bulking cycle then cutting.

    There. Now focus on that goal and doing things that will help you work towards it

    Lifting - Hit each muscle group 2-3x per week. Focus on the primary lifts. Do a couple accessory lifts. Change accessory lifts if you get bored. Give 100%.

    Cardio - If HIIT, do it after you lift. If steady state, do it on a different day. Give yourself 1-2 recovery days per week. Recovery days don't have to be off days, they can be low intensity work like stretching, walking, hiking, light running or biking, etc.

    Diet - eat at maintnance or very slightly below.
  • Capt_Apollo
    Capt_Apollo Posts: 9,026 Member
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Can you explain what a recomp entails?


    google it
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    you don't seem to stick to any one plan for too long. you've always got to try and tweak it or something.

    go out and get some books, like new rules of lifting, 5/3/1, starting strength, whatever. read them. learn. stick to something for 3-6 months before you re-evaluate your program.

    I was happy with my schedule back when it was all cardio but if I find a schedule I like, it will stick better.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,680 Member
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Can you explain what a recomp entails?


    google it


    Nice advice. LOL
  • krknobbe10
    krknobbe10 Posts: 110 Member
    jacksonpt wrote: »
    krknobbe10 wrote: »
    Ultimately to build some muscle and lower my body fat %. I don't think I could do the whole bulking cycle then cutting.

    There. Now focus on that goal and doing things that will help you work towards it

    Lifting - Hit each muscle group 2-3x per week. Focus on the primary lifts. Do a couple accessory lifts. Change accessory lifts if you get bored. Give 100%.

    Cardio - If HIIT, do it after you lift. If steady state, do it on a different day. Give yourself 1-2 recovery days per week. Recovery days don't have to be off days, they can be low intensity work like stretching, walking, hiking, light running or biking, etc.

    Diet - eat at maintnance or very slightly below.

    Thank you!!
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