A short rant about many of the posts I have been seeing here. May come off as harsh but must be said
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joejward95 wrote: »No I am not promoting not eating for 2 weeks ffs. That much is obvious. I was making a point. She said she LITERALLY CANNOT LOSE WEIGHT. I was showing a scenario where that is impossible. And you know it, you're just trying to discredit what I have said by giving it out of context... pathetic really.
She said she can't lose weight currently with a restricted calorie regimen - you were taking her words out of context. It's a basic medical fact that unmananged Hashimoto's hypothyroidism makes weight loss difficult. She didn't say she couldn't starve herself for two weeks and lose weight. Your proposed response discredited you - not anything I wrote.
It's quite possible that her net cals, under this condition are below 1000. Recommending "eat less" shows how little you know on the subject.0 -
joejward95 wrote: »See I know most people would be pissed off at this. Doesn't matter though, hopefully it will get through to just one person who keeps making excuses.
I don't claim to have solved the obesity epidemic. There is no reason to be snarky.Have I said anything that isn't true?
It may be harsh but there are plenty of people here willing to tell everyone "its all okay, you're perfect" and not enough people willing to state a cold hard truth every once in a while.
All I am saying is that people should be responsible for themselves, and not be so reliant on others to motivate them/ find excuses for them not losing weight.
How is mean people threads formed?0 -
He might have ignored people with actual medical issues that make it harder to lose weight.
However, he is entirely right that there are plenty of people who've got nothing wrong with their bodies who are just looking for excuses.0 -
It seems to me Joe that you have had some success with weight loss so you think you are an expert on the topic. I am no expert but I have studied the topic exstensivley over the last several years. I can tell you for certain you are taking an extrememly complex topic and trying to make it fit into a small little math problem. Sure we could not eat anything and 100% of the time we would lose weight but fasting when trying to work, take care of your children, and live life doesn't work for most people. There is only one thing in regards to weight loss that bothers me more than people that make excuses...people that come on the message boards and pretend to be an expert when they know very little about the topic of which they are talking.
My thoughts exactly. I agree with some of what you have said, OP, but some of it is off base. If I had put in the effort I am now when I was 18, I'd lose weight quickly too. But I'm not. I'm 37 with a 8 month old, a demanding job, two dogs, a pile of laundry and dishes and a husband who works long hours. Squeezing in 30 minutes of exercise is all I can manage now, and planning healthy meals and snacks takes a lot of my time, time I have very little of unless I want to get up at 4AM. These are not excuses - these are the REASONS it's hard for a lot of people. Going to college is NOT the same as working 40+ hours when you are a parent. College can be demanding, I know - but it's not the same.
if you use these for the reasons you can't lose weight then hell yes they are excuses
but if you acknowledge them as life and do what needs to be done anyway then they are immaterial
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EvgeniZyntx.... look at her later post.She did claim that it was likely she wouldn't lose weight if she didnt intake any calories for 2 weeks. A physical impossibility .0
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There are so many factors which contribute to weight loss, physiologically, psychologically and behaviourally and it is not very simple for those who do have serious problems, be it an eating disorder or an endocrine problem (would you function on 1200 calories a day, when your body was so sluggish that you fatigued after being awake for an hour? Can you honestly tell me that you would go to the gym if you could barely hold your head up and ached after walking to the shop?). Some people make excuses and maybe they'll respond to tough love, maybe they won't, but everyone is different, and I suppose that's the point I'm making here.
On another note, I'll mention that I'm 20 years old. Yes, I have a lot to learn and am very inexperienced with a lot of aspects of life, but then again I feel that I'm able to empathise with people, and try to understand how they think and feel. I'm sure that there are lots of things that have happened in my life that none of you have experienced, and I don't judge your ability to discuss and debate weight loss because of that. For that reason, it does feel very patronising when people use your age as an excuse. It would be far more helpful to explain and teach me why I'm wrong, so I come out of the discussion more knowledgeable rather than simply frustrated.0 -
Ah to be young again and have all the wisdom in the world.0
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herrspoons wrote: »Every single one of you who disagreed with the OP's post is going to fail. Every single one of you. Maybe not now, but in a year or so's time when you put the weight back on.
All of you.
Except a lot of those are people disagreeing or pointing out the flaw in the way he said it rather than the fundamentals of what he said.0 -
OP, hormones are more powerful than willpower. If you have some time, do some research on insulin resistance, especially the work of Dr. Robert Lustig.
I happen to agree with you that weight is 90% diet, I just disagree with the idea that it is 100% calories in vs calories out. It has more to do with the type of calories you take in rather than the amount.
Oh, and I'm not using this as an excuse for anything, as I have never been overweight, so I have nothing to make excuses for. I'm just asking that you take a look at some of the current research about hormones and weight before making up your mind about what you think.
I wouldn't use Lustig as a source if I were you.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
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Jcbooth, at the end of the day those are excuses. I am 34, have a 4 year old, I have a 12 hour day including commute, plus all the same house work stuff you have mentioned. I now get up earlier, 4:30, to get in to the office so I can run before work.
I have been around the same weight for ages and always found the excuse that I was to tired or busy to get fit and loose weight
I now use the hairy dieters books for planning lunches and dinners. Do batch cooking of food and stick it in the freezer so meal times are quicker, costs less and I know what I am eating.
I'm trying to cut out the unhealthy snacks, stock up the fridge with veg that I can grab if i'm hungry at home. Do a list for my shopping and only buy what I need to cook the meals I have planned.
Just saying because you are young you don't understand is ignoring the point. Unless you have a medical condition which actually stops you loosing weight it is down to you to make the changes and stop finding excuses.0 -
Is chocolate chip okay? We can share and regain our weight together!AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
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herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
In the jar. Unless you've eaten them all because willpower is a foreign concept to you.
Totally foreign. Clearly.0 -
Here's the thing OP. If you are a sensitive flower, then you really shouldn't be posting in the forums. As you have stated you "don't care" about the haters- yet you keep trying to defend yourself.. so you, in fact, do care. (its a human condition, unless you're a sociopath...but I digress)
Excuses- they are like a**holes- EVERYONE has them. We all make them whether its about fitness, or other facets of our life. The fact is, (and you have probably experienced this) it doesn't matter what anyone says to you- unless you are in the right frame of mind to do something, you will continue to find a way not to.
I understand you are trying to help- and I get it, we all want to make a difference or impart some of our knowledge to the rest of the world. However, ever heard the term "you catch more bees with honey than vinegar"... while "tough love" has a place for some people, it doesn't work for all- (Like your point about 99% of people not being special snowflakes that means 1% are) so this post is not going to resonate with everyone and IT could be detrimental to some. Realize that, take it for what its worth, and move on.
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Is chocolate chip okay? We can share and regain our weight together!AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
I'll bring the milk. We can make a day of it.0 -
AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »
Is chocolate chip okay? We can share and regain our weight together!AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
I'll bring the milk. We can make a day of it.
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herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
In the jar. Unless you've eaten them all because willpower is a foreign concept to you.
Totally foreign. Clearly.
Sweet. See you next year then!
Well, I won't, but you get the point.
Oh, you're leaving then? Send us a post card.
Or don't.0 -
well that escalated quickly0
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I am happy for people to hate me for what i have said. What I wont have is people accusing me of things I have/haven't done, telling me I don't know anything because I am too young and telling me my life has been easy(without knowing a thing about me)0
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joejward95 wrote: »EvgeniZyntx.... look at her later post.She did claim that it was likely she wouldn't lose weight if she didnt intake any calories for 2 weeks. A physical impossibility .
She wrote:
"quite possibly"
<--- this little smiley should tell you something.
It's still remains she's pretty much at the lower limit of calorie restriction and the best advice is to attempt to get her condition under control and NOT to restrict further which may lead to disordered eating habits or further hormonal issues.
Re-reading her post she isn't making a claim of physical impossibility. She's saying eating "nothing" isn't making her lose weight. Her "nothing" doesn't mean 0 cals. It means long term ~900 net...
What would you advise her? Hint: eat less, workout more aren't the right answer.0 -
joejward95 wrote: »>so get back to us in about 10-20 years when you actually have some hardships in your life you have to work through.
You don't know a damned thing about me. Hardships are not an excuse for not being able to lose weight. Isn't it funny how people feel the need to use personal attacks and tell me about what my life has been like?
and yet thats exactly what your'e doing. cant take it but you can dish it hey?
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I hit target weight over a year ago I still track to maintain...pretty *kitten* weird I know.herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
In the jar. Unless you've eaten them all because willpower is a foreign concept to you.
Totally foreign. Clearly.
Sweet. See you next year then!
Well, I won't, but you get the point.
Oh, you're leaving then? Send us a post card.
Or don't.
Of course I'll be leaving when I hit target weight. Why on earth would I hang round a weight loss forum when I have no need to? That's just weird.
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herrspoons wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »Every single one of you who disagreed with the OP's post is going to fail. Every single one of you. Maybe not now, but in a year or so's time when you put the weight back on.
All of you.
Except a lot of those are people disagreeing or pointing out the flaw in the way he said it rather than the fundamentals of what he said.
What flaw? Tell me anything in the original post that isn't true. It's not relevant if someone's feels are damaged. Christ, a lot of posters on this site could do with a good verbal slap. Maybe even a physical one.
Tough love isnt always going to be the most effective way of providing advice. Whether hes right or not, then how you advise is also importnat if you want someone to act on it. I'd love to tell various people to get a grip and to commit, but i dont because I know its not going to work and will have the opposite effect in many situations.
I was thinking it would be nice if there were 2 forums one for tea and sympathy and the other for tough love. Not sure id need either, but I do understand where the tea and sympathy people come from, some people just find it more difficult than others, they cna often have low confidence and so respond better to encouragement rather than being read the riot act. I do feel there are great swathes of people who would make it easier for themselves if they just commited and took on board the implications of that.
When I advise clients, then I have to think about more than just reading them the riot act even though that it mightbe what I think, because it doesnt achieve what I want pt get them where they wnat to go.0 -
I'm sorry to hijack the thread, but anybody knows a good thread where people told their denial/excuses/fatlogic stories? I used the search fonction, but I came out with way too many result.
I do find it fascinating what excuses we give ourselves and how we do not see ourselves as really fat when we clearly are. I feel fatter today with a bmi of 28 than when I had one of 36.0 -
No, I am saying that hardships in life have nothing to do with weightloss. My hardships are none of your business, yours are none of mine. Because it is irrelevant to weight.0
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AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »
Is chocolate chip okay? We can share and regain our weight together!AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
I'll bring the milk. We can make a day of it.
In!0 -
derkin2005 wrote: »
I hit target weight over a year ago I still track to maintain...pretty *kitten* weird I know.herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »AmandaHugginkiss wrote: »herrspoons wrote: »I mean, dear god. Do most of you think that having 20 or 30 years more 'life experience' makes you any more qualified to give advice? All it means is that you've made consistently bad choices for 20 or 30 more years. That's why you're here in the first place.
You can cry about the bluntness of the delivery. You can whine about your inability to keep your hand out of the cookie jar. You can spend hours looking for every medical ailment or fringe scientific study that gives you a reason as to why you're failing... and you still won't change the basic laws of physiology and energy conservation.
I'm looking at the replies and seeing a sea of failure, and I'm finally understanding why we have an obesity problem and why most people put the weight back on.
Cookies? Where can I find this jar of which you speak?
I could totally go for a cookie about now.
In the jar. Unless you've eaten them all because willpower is a foreign concept to you.
Totally foreign. Clearly.
Sweet. See you next year then!
Well, I won't, but you get the point.
Oh, you're leaving then? Send us a post card.
Or don't.
Of course I'll be leaving when I hit target weight. Why on earth would I hang round a weight loss forum when I have no need to? That's just weird.
I hit target weight years ago, and I've bulked and am cutting. Strange thing, this "weight loss site" that helped me gain several pounds of muscle over the past few years.
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From the title I was expecting a "mean people" thread. I'm glad it's not.
His delivery might be off, but I have found the crux of what he's saying to be true for me.
When I got honest with myself and stopped making excuses, I started losing weight. When I stopped relying on others for motivation, I started losing weight. I like talking to people about weight loss (hence why I hang out here), but I can't rely on someone else to motivate me. Heck, I can't even rely on motivation. I rely on habits.
But what do I know, I'm only 28. Apparently you have to be over 30 to know anything at all.0 -
Btw how did people figure out its 90% diet? Too simplistic. It can be anything from100% diet downwards depending how much exercise you do. If you do enough then exercise burns can be a significant part in your overall weight loss plan.0
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I heard that drinking a glass of vinegar everyday will make it so I can eat whatever I want and still lose weight.*
* So much sarcasm0
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