Paleo worth a second chance?
ditsyblond17
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Hi everyone. My question is for anyone on paleo. I am not a HUGE fan of meat. Its hard to get my protein in when on paleo. Is there anyone that still eats cottage cheese and Greek yogurt while on Paleo?
I gained three pounds doing it last time. For me, I was dumb and thought that counting calories didn't matter because I was a Cave woman. Yeah. I'm not a cave woman.
Anyone successful on this way of eating?
I gained three pounds doing it last time. For me, I was dumb and thought that counting calories didn't matter because I was a Cave woman. Yeah. I'm not a cave woman.
Anyone successful on this way of eating?
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Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
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If there is one thing that I have learned on MFP is that everyone on MFP follows the Paleo lifestyle about 60-80% of the time. This has been shown to be a good enough amount of "Paleo" eating to be able to call oneself a Paleo dieter if you so choose to do so and would like to carry a title with you diet.0
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Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.0 -
If there is one thing that I have learned on MFP is that everyone on MFP follows the Paleo lifestyle about 60-80% of the time. This has been shown to be a good enough amount of "Paleo" eating to be able to call oneself a Paleo dieter if you so choose to do so and would like to carry a title with you diet.
Thank you for this. I'm an All or nothing kind of personality. But maybe if I tell myself a Greek yogurt a day, it might not hurt me. Plain though. No sugar. I want to do THAT part for real. I'm tired of being addicted to sugar.0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...0 -
^ This! You are either eating paleo or you aren't. If you are going to do it any percentage of time < 100, it's not really paleo. Fortunately eating paleo is simply using several arbitrary food restrictions. I am not paleo but probably 60% of what I eat in a day is minimally processed whole foods that would be allowed under paleo. I personally think any diet that involves mass restriction for no reason whatsoever is silly. Why would you do a diet that makes you stress over eating Greek yogurt. What's wrong with Greek yogurt? I get needing to eat gulten free if you have an allergy to gulten but I don't get why'd you'd restrict it if you have no trouble eating it. Skipping rice and bread for the sake of skipping it seems pointless.rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
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ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
Eat that then
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rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
I have a weird brain. If I'm doing it, I feel guilty by Not doing It 100%. But I suppose I can take baby steps to feel like I'm not suffering as much. I just want to cut My sugar addiction and I'm afraid adding those in would cause harm since cottage cheese and yogurt have lactose? Idk. Just New to all of this. Only tried it a week last time.0 -
If you enjoyed the paleo lifestyle the first time around and felt good, then go for it. You must weigh your food though. I did paleo a while back (couldn't stick with it, too restrictive) but like you, I gained weight because many of the paleo books and blogs discourage calorie counting and food weighing. As a result, I thought I could eat as much healthy fats etc. as I wanted. Wrong! For some people it might work like that. Anyway, weigh your food if you do it again, or calorie count. You need to be accountable for what you eat in some form.0
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rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
This. Why give it a name? Just eat the foods you like and don't eat stuff that makes you feel bad.
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ditsyblond17 wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
I have a weird brain. If I'm doing it, I feel guilty by Not doing It 100%. But I suppose I can take baby steps to feel like I'm not suffering as much. I just want to cut My sugar addiction and I'm afraid adding those in would cause harm since cottage cheese and yogurt have lactose? Idk. Just New to all of this. Only tried it a week last time.
In that case, I'd suggest you do "ditsyblond17 Paleo" - it's kinda like "Paleo," and you still derive the good feels you had last time you tried something similar, but you can commit to it 100%! Just slow down on the nuts and ghee.
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ditsyblond17 wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
I have a weird brain. If I'm doing it, I feel guilty by Not doing It 100%. But I suppose I can take baby steps to feel like I'm not suffering as much. I just want to cut My sugar addiction and I'm afraid adding those in would cause harm since cottage cheese and yogurt have lactose? Idk. Just New to all of this. Only tried it a week last time.
I think you missed the point. Don't call it anything. Just call it "eating" and you won't have to worry about whether you're doing it 100% of the time or not. Cut out things you want to cut out, but when you want to indulge in something you won't feel guilty. At least, you shouldn't.0 -
eat what you want, just eat less of it and make sure that you hit your calorie/macro/micro targets..
paleo is unnecessary for anything and it is NOTHING how paleolithic people ate...0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
what is "crap"? Were you literally eating crap?-3 -
weightsnbakes wrote: »If you enjoyed the paleo lifestyle the first time around and felt good, then go for it. You must weigh your food though. I did paleo a while back (couldn't stick with it, too restrictive) but like you, I gained weight because many of the paleo books and blogs discourage calorie counting and food weighing. As a result, I thought I could eat as much healthy fats etc. as I wanted. Wrong! For some people it might work like that. Anyway, weigh your food if you do it again, or calorie count. You need to be accountable for what you eat in some form.
I was so stupid when I did it. I did everything with nuts. They are pretty versatile. But I should have known better than to trust "them" that say calories don't matter. Its the processed junk that matters. Its quite the opposite really. I May do it again just because I liked the energy it gave me. I hope to go a little bit longer this time.0 -
There's no such thing as the paleo police (now, watch out for the vegan police...). Have at your yogurt if you want it.
I eat mostly paleo right now, I'd say 90%... there are a few things I let slide... peas, corn (in my opinion these are vegetables and they don't bother me, I found after some careful testing), soy (just for soy sauce because I hate salt and haven't found another decent substitute for cooking with) and cheese in very moderate amounts... because I love cheese. Sunday is my 'cheat day', where I eat whatever I want as long as it's gluten free and still in the spirit of the thing. So Sunday is the day I might eat out and have cactus cut potatoes with sour cream dip, or salad with dressing that I didn't make. Dairy doesn't seem to bother me either. The rest of the week, I stick to eating fruit, veggies, meat... lots of bacon, hamburger, steak, fish, so on and so forth... tons of eggs... paleo oils like olive oil and coconut oil (though I'm considering putting butter back on my 'okay' list), and I use coconut milk and avocados for a ton of things. My snacks are nuts, dried fruits, seeds.
So, I'd say go full paleo for a few weeks and then carefully add in just the yogurt, and if you don't get any symptoms from it, have at it! I was strict for around a month before I started gingerly testing things like peas and corn and cheese.0 -
Timorous_Beastie wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
This. Why give it a name? Just eat the foods you like and don't eat stuff that makes you feel bad.
Is lactose a sugar? Will that technically be a sugar? I don't care if it's sugar for paleo purposes. I care if it's sugar while trying to break a sugar addiction. Sugar makes me crave sugar.
(Lots of "sugar" in that paragraph. Lol See, already has me craving sugar )
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There's no such thing as the paleo police (now, watch out for the vegan police...). Have at your yogurt if you want it.
I eat mostly paleo right now, I'd say 90%... there are a few things I let slide... peas, corn (in my opinion these are vegetables and they don't bother me, I found after some careful testing), soy (just for soy sauce because I hate salt and haven't found another decent substitute for cooking with) and cheese in very moderate amounts... because I love cheese. Sunday is my 'cheat day', where I eat whatever I want as long as it's gluten free and still in the spirit of the thing. So Sunday is the day I might eat out and have cactus cut potatoes with sour cream dip, or salad with dressing that I didn't make. Dairy doesn't seem to bother me either. The rest of the week, I stick to eating fruit, veggies, meat... lots of bacon, hamburger, steak, fish, so on and so forth... tons of eggs... paleo oils like olive oil and coconut oil (though I'm considering putting butter back on my 'okay' list), and I use coconut milk and avocados for a ton of things. My snacks are nuts, dried fruits, seeds.
So, I'd say go full paleo for a few weeks and then carefully add in just the yogurt, and if you don't get any symptoms from it, have at it! I was strict for around a month before I started gingerly testing things like peas and corn and cheese.
then you are not doing paleo ...
for the record paleolithic people did not have bacon, hamburgers, eggs, etc....
do people realize how dumb it is to call this "paleo"...
it should be called "The Uber Restrictive Fad Diet" ...but I guess that does not sell books...0 -
There's no such thing as the paleo police (now, watch out for the vegan police...). Have at your yogurt if you want it.
I eat mostly paleo right now, I'd say 90%... there are a few things I let slide... peas, corn (in my opinion these are vegetables and they don't bother me, I found after some careful testing), soy (just for soy sauce because I hate salt and haven't found another decent substitute for cooking with) and cheese in very moderate amounts... because I love cheese. Sunday is my 'cheat day', where I eat whatever I want as long as it's gluten free and still in the spirit of the thing. So Sunday is the day I might eat out and have cactus cut potatoes with sour cream dip, or salad with dressing that I didn't make. Dairy doesn't seem to bother me either. The rest of the week, I stick to eating fruit, veggies, meat... lots of bacon, hamburger, steak, fish, so on and so forth... tons of eggs... paleo oils like olive oil and coconut oil (though I'm considering putting butter back on my 'okay' list), and I use coconut milk and avocados for a ton of things. My snacks are nuts, dried fruits, seeds.
So, I'd say go full paleo for a few weeks and then carefully add in just the yogurt, and if you don't get any symptoms from it, have at it! I was strict for around a month before I started gingerly testing things like peas and corn and cheese.
Thank you so much for sharing. That sounds like a safe plan. I like the cheat days, as long as it's all still gluten free. I think I never look forward to cheat days, so I end up using every day as one because I feel deprived. I am going to use Sunday as a cheat day Gluten free though. The problem with my view of cheat days, is it's hard to rid my body of sugar addiction because I am including some back in on cheat day. Even in the form of a potato. Ya know? But I do like the concept of cheat day. And although I've heard many people on MFP talk about their cheat day...it never clicked with me. I need a cheat day to avoid a cheat week. Thanks for the advice! 0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »Timorous_Beastie wrote: »rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
This. Why give it a name? Just eat the foods you like and don't eat stuff that makes you feel bad.
Is lactose a sugar? Will that technically be a sugar? I don't care if it's sugar for paleo purposes. I care if it's sugar while trying to break a sugar addiction. Sugar makes me crave sugar.
(Lots of "sugar" in that paragraph. Lol See, already has me craving sugar )
Lactose is a sugar.
Technically, dairy is not Paleo. It is unlikely that pre-agriculture (and agriculture borders just at the tail end of Paleolithic/into the beginning of Neolithic, as I understand things), people were somehow milking wild animals without getting kicked into either stupor or death and then re-releasing them. That's kind of splitting hairs but most people who "do Paleo" don't do dairy, or do it with the caveat that they're doing "Lacto-Paleo".
RE: "trying Paleo" - I did it for a brief time to see whether it would help with my Hashi's (thyroiditis) symptoms. It didn't seem to do much and I eventually dropped it. You will find in the Paleo world (so to speak) that people use different definitions, citing all sorts of far-reaching studies to prove that nomadic clans were somehow milking wild animals before the dawn of agriculture and so on. Next you'll come across the people who say that although milk is technically (probably) not Paleo, eight thousand years of ingesting animal milk past the age of (human) weaning means that bodies may have begun to adapt to non-human milk as (human) adults and that if you're symptom-free, go ahead with it. (And then of course you'll hear from the people pointing out that only some adaptations can happen in such a comparatively - at least from an evolutionary standpoint - time.) You'll find yet others who realize certain foods technically were very unlikely to have been eaten during the Paleolithic (and some that didn't actually exist yet, at least as modified over the centuries to what they currently are in size, nutritional profile and so on) but are choosing to eat them anyway and still call their eating Paleo.
Don't worry - the Paleo-eating world argues amongst themselves as much as people on here do.
I don't mind someone rolling all this up under the term "Paleo" - I'm assuming "Should I Give Eating Nuts, Certain Fruits, Certain Seeds and Poultry But Not Read Meat a Try, With the Possibility of Milk Products But Am Not Sure Yet?" was going to be a bit too long a subject line. Cut the dude some slack, he was just trying to give a general jumping-off point for people to be able to see quickly and decide whether or not to answer (or I'm assuming - I'm not the OP, and he's free to correct me on that).
By the way, anyone feel free to correct me on any of the specifics above, as I am not anthropologist nor scientist of any description, but my basic point is that there IS no one definition of "Paleo eating" even among the die-hard Paleo community, so OP, if you want to go by it via your definition, go for it and see how you feel. I personally don't do as well with "eating style labels" but I'm of the mind that whatever works for a person - go for it.
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Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.0
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I like this. Good point and it hit a major point with myself. I think I will take this advice.rungirl1973 wrote: »ditsyblond17 wrote: »Why would you do paleo if you don't like meat?
Makes no sense
Nuts, seeds, eggs, fish, etc. I should have said red meat. I do like chicken. And can tolerate ground turkey on special occasions. Sorry, maybe I needed to say, red meat. I got tired of eating chicken all the time.
And I would do paleo again because I loved the way I felt. Cutting out all other crap made me feel good. Yeah, I ate way too many nuts and ghee, and that's why I gained. But overall, my energy level soared.
If that's the case, then why bother with a title? Just eat what makes you feel good and don't call it anything...
OP....this!
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Paleo is just a fad diet. It's more or less like Atkins. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how our ancestors actually ate: rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/the-paleo-diet-is-pseudoscience-this-is-what-ancestral-menu-really-looked-like/. And even if it did, why would you want to eat like cavemen who had an average lifespan of 30 years, anyway?
Eat what you like, and don't feel the need to label it.0 -
Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.
Paleo man didn't preserve meats using salt and smoking so on?
I'm not being a wise**kitten*, I am actually asking as I don't know.
Or are you referring to the addition of certain chemicals in some bacons?
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Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.
Paleo man didn't preserve meats using salt and smoking so on?
I'm not being a wise**kitten*, I am actually asking as I don't know.
Or are you referring to the addition of certain chemicals in some bacons?
Both. Most meat eaten during the paleo era would have been borderline carrion, the rest freshly hunted. Cured meats are an artifact of settled - ie, post ag - societies.
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Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.
Paleo man didn't preserve meats using salt and smoking so on?
I'm not being a wise**kitten*, I am actually asking as I don't know.
Or are you referring to the addition of certain chemicals in some bacons?
You didn't read about all those caves that Neanderthals used to store bacon ...??? *sarcasm*
someone can correct me if I am wrong but "salting" did not become popular until Greek/Roman times....0 -
ditsyblond17 wrote: »weightsnbakes wrote: »If you enjoyed the paleo lifestyle the first time around and felt good, then go for it. You must weigh your food though. I did paleo a while back (couldn't stick with it, too restrictive) but like you, I gained weight because many of the paleo books and blogs discourage calorie counting and food weighing. As a result, I thought I could eat as much healthy fats etc. as I wanted. Wrong! For some people it might work like that. Anyway, weigh your food if you do it again, or calorie count. You need to be accountable for what you eat in some form.
I was so stupid when I did it. I did everything with nuts. They are pretty versatile. But I should have known better than to trust "them" that say calories don't matter. Its the processed junk that matters. Its quite the opposite really. I May do it again just because I liked the energy it gave me. I hope to go a little bit longer this time.
I did the everything with nut flour thing for a long time too! OP, feel free to look in my diary. I'm a vegetarian who gets lots of her protein from Greek yogurt and cottage cheese. I primarily became a vegetarian because I don't like meat all that much and it was giving me digestive issues.
I'm going to tell you the path I've followed, because a lot of what you're saying sounds so familiar to me. You're reminding me of myself. I haven't looked at your profile, but I'm going to guess I'm quite a bit older than you. I tried all sorts of diets throughout my life. I did paleo, way back in the day. I felt great on it. I did Atkins. I did Sugar Busters. I did raw vegan. I thought the key to everything was avoiding a whole bunch of foods that were controlling me.
I had some emotional issues clouding the way that had to be dealt with, and I did deal with them, but over time I had developed bad behaviors with overeating, eating too fast and things like that. I also had disordered thinking about food. It took me a long time to sort through all of that.
I gradually started adding things back to my diet that I really loved and taking away stuff that I really didn't. I asked myself... what nourishes my body most? What nourishes my soul most? Anything that didn't make the cut, I just didn't bother to eat any more.
The last step was to stop eating so much. MFP helped with that.
The tl;dr to all of this? Fashion an eating plan around the most body and soul nourishing foods that you love best. That will be the plan you're most likely to stick with.0 -
Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.
Paleo man didn't preserve meats using salt and smoking so on?
I'm not being a wise**kitten*, I am actually asking as I don't know.
Or are you referring to the addition of certain chemicals in some bacons?
Both. Most meat eaten during the paleo era would have been borderline carrion, the rest freshly hunted. Cured meats are an artifact of settled - ie, post ag - societies.
Oh, I see, thank you.
I love learning new things and have a fascination with history, prehistory and cultures. Not that that matters to this thread.
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Bacon is not paleo. There is no meaningful definition of paleo that allows for bacon - if bacon is allowed then *everything* is paleo.
Paleo man didn't preserve meats using salt and smoking so on?
I'm not being a wise**kitten*, I am actually asking as I don't know.
Or are you referring to the addition of certain chemicals in some bacons?
You didn't read about all those caves that Neanderthals used to store bacon ...??? *sarcasm*
someone can correct me if I am wrong but "salting" did not become popular until Greek/Roman times....
It's pretty accurate. Salt wasn't a commodity very many people had until societies started trading for it.
http://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780195337709.001.0001/acref-9780195337709-e-34410
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