Trigger foods?
LoupGarouTFTs
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I've seen the term used here an awful lot and I'd like to understand what people think makes a "trigger" food. I'll state flat out that I don't believe in them--to me the term "trigger" anything is just an excuse to lose control. I enjoy food (or I would not be trying to lose weight) and there are foods I enjoy more than other foods. However, I'll entertain any opinions in the interest of being educated--as long as it's done politely and no finger-pointing telling me how evil I am for having my opinion. 
What do YOU think makes a food a "trigger" food? Or do you?
What do YOU think makes a food a "trigger" food? Or do you? 0
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I believe in trigger foods, for sure. Doesn't mean I believe that just because a craving is "triggered" I have to give in. I find having a high carb/ low protein meal I generally crave something sugary after.
I also find high stress days trigger salty/fatty foods (and alcohol lol). I relate it to like when I quit smoking, certain situations would trigger cravings but it didn't mean I needed to smoke, it just made it harder to quit so at least for a time being I avoided situations I knew would make it hard. Just like I do now in regards to cravings for certain foods I want to avoid.0 -
I hear what you're saying, but what makes that any different from just wanting to eat something you like? I enjoy eating popcorn or peanut butter or pasta--I like eating tater tots with brown gravy when I'm stressed--so is comfort food a trigger food? Is it still a trigger food when you count out your tots and measure your gravy? Just trying to understand here.0
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EVIIIIL!
Nah.
Unfortunately, I do have trigger foods. Particular Nutella. One serving isn't enough. It just isn't. I try my hardest to control it but the scent of it, the sight of it, the taste of it - I can eat an entire jar in one sitting. Even if I take one serving and put the jar up in a high off place, I go back for more, sometimes without even consciously realizing that's what I'm doing.
I'd much rather just not have it in the house. I think it has something to do with it being a comfort food some time back - it's an easy go-to to drown out my feelings of woe and self-esteem issues.
Either way, big trigger for my diet to take a turn for the worse.0 -
I kind of don't get trigger foods either. Is it just a food that makes you want to keep eating and eating? I want to eat and eat all the things, that's how I got fat.0
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my trigger macro (I would never call it that but for the sake of this thread I will), is carbohydrate. If I eat a higher percentage than my current 5-9%, I need to eat in order to correct the subsequent low blood glucose levels. I crave carbs after. The cravings are insane. There are extreme feelings of hunger. I feel I need to eat more carbs. Now. Because I produce too much insulin..and my body wants me to correct for that asap. And if I do..i feel immediately amazing..for thirty minutes..and then the entire process starts again. So i have to keep my carb macro very low.0
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arditarose wrote: »I kind of don't get trigger foods either. Is it just a food that makes you want to keep eating and eating? I want to eat and eat all the things, that's how I got fat.
Basically. What foods make you compulsively, mindlessly eat? What foods trigger bad memories? What foods make you slip? That's how I see it.0 -
I think the term is misleading to a degree. It sort of set up an external locus of control. In some addictions and impulse control literature there are those who prefer the term "precursor" since trigger makes it sound like you have no choice in the matter. I used to smoke cigarettes. When I have a couple cocktails it certainly makes me think about having a cigarette because those two things were linked in my experience. But it is not automated. I have a choice.
At the same time it's not that I don't need to be conscientious of these precursors or triggers or whatever social construct we choose to apply to them. When I am drinking I am aware I can't have a cigarette even though I feel the urge to smoke one.0 -
KrissyMuree wrote: »arditarose wrote: »I kind of don't get trigger foods either. Is it just a food that makes you want to keep eating and eating? I want to eat and eat all the things, that's how I got fat.
Basically. What foods make you compulsively, mindlessly eat? What foods trigger bad memories? What foods make you slip? That's how I see it.
I would have a hard time with that nutella too. Basically I'd go back for more, take a few extra licks. Probably end up eating two servings. But it would never come to eating the whole jar (closer to it before MFP days though). Is that the difference between self-control and something being an all out trigger food?0 -
LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »I've seen the term used here an awful lot and I'd like to understand what people think makes a "trigger" food. I'll state flat out that I don't believe in them--to me the term "trigger" anything is just an excuse to lose control. I enjoy food (or I would not be trying to lose weight) and there are foods I enjoy more than other foods. However, I'll entertain any opinions in the interest of being educated--as long as it's done politely and no finger-pointing telling me how evil I am for having my opinion. What do YOU think makes a food a "trigger" food? Or do you?
I disagree.
A lot of people enjoy food - thin people included. Enjoying food doesn't necessarily equate to needing to lose weight, so I'm not quite sure where you were going with that. Weight is a lot more complicated than that.
I'm not sure I necessarily have a "trigger food". I avoid mayonnaise because I can't really enjoy it in moderation, so it's easier for me to just not eat it. It's not a trigger for me - I *can* eat just a little and stop, I just don't enjoy it, so I don't see the point.
I guess the notion of triggers in regards to food is more closely associated with disordered eating - specifically, I would imagine, binge eating disorder. I haven't experienced BED, but I have struggled with the other end of the spectrum, with anorexic and bulimic tendencies, so I can understand how certain foods can be seen as "safe" or must be avoided at all costs. It's not that much of a stretch for me to see how certain foods could trigger a binge.0 -
jenglish712 wrote: »I think the term is misleading to a degree. It sort of set up an external locus of control. In some addictions and impulse control literature there are those who prefer the term "precursor" since trigger makes it sound like you have no choice in the matter. . . .
At the same time it's not that I don't need to be conscientious of these precursors or triggers or whatever social construct we choose to apply to them. When I am drinking I am aware I can't have a cigarette even though I feel the urge to smoke one.
This. To me, the idea of a "trigger" food not only gives up responsibility but also control over your own body.0 -
Velum_cado wrote: »I disagree.
A lot of people enjoy food - thin people included. Enjoying food doesn't necessarily equate to needing to lose weight, so I'm not quite sure where you were going with that. Weight is a lot more complicated than that.
I'm not sure I necessarily have a "trigger food". I avoid mayonnaise because I can't really enjoy it in moderation, so it's easier for me to just not eat it. It's not a trigger for me - I *can* eat just a little and stop, I just don't enjoy it, so I don't see the point.
I guess the notion of triggers in regards to food is more closely associated with disordered eating - specifically, I would imagine, binge eating disorder. I haven't experienced BED, but I have struggled with the other end of the spectrum, with anorexic and bulimic tendencies, so I can understand how certain foods can be seen as "safe" or must be avoided at all costs. It's not that much of a stretch for me to see how certain foods could trigger a binge.
You're overthinking what I wrote. I enjoy food. I'm overweight. I got that way by enjoying food. I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. Please don't divert the topic from what I want to discuss.
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »Velum_cado wrote: »I disagree.
A lot of people enjoy food - thin people included. Enjoying food doesn't necessarily equate to needing to lose weight, so I'm not quite sure where you were going with that. Weight is a lot more complicated than that.
I'm not sure I necessarily have a "trigger food". I avoid mayonnaise because I can't really enjoy it in moderation, so it's easier for me to just not eat it. It's not a trigger for me - I *can* eat just a little and stop, I just don't enjoy it, so I don't see the point.
I guess the notion of triggers in regards to food is more closely associated with disordered eating - specifically, I would imagine, binge eating disorder. I haven't experienced BED, but I have struggled with the other end of the spectrum, with anorexic and bulimic tendencies, so I can understand how certain foods can be seen as "safe" or must be avoided at all costs. It's not that much of a stretch for me to see how certain foods could trigger a binge.
You're overthinking what I wrote. I enjoy food. I'm overweight. I got that way by enjoying food. I'm not speaking for anyone other than myself. Please don't divert the topic from what I want to discuss.
I didn't divert anything. I responded to one point you made, which I feel quite passionate about - that weight is complex and about more than liking food.
I also responded to the topic you brought up.0 -
LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »I hear what you're saying, but what makes that any different from just wanting to eat something you like? I enjoy eating popcorn or peanut butter or pasta--I like eating tater tots with brown gravy when I'm stressed--so is comfort food a trigger food? Is it still a trigger food when you count out your tots and measure your gravy? Just trying to understand here.
I think just like anything, its different for everyone. What may be my trigger food or what it is triggered by for me may be different for anyone else. by no means do I think its an excuse to over eat, or the same thing as a cheat day or binge. I think some people just like to be able to clarify their feeling about certain parts of their diet so they can better understand what certain foods are an urge rather than a nutritional means to an end.
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arditarose wrote: »KrissyMuree wrote: »arditarose wrote: »I kind of don't get trigger foods either. Is it just a food that makes you want to keep eating and eating? I want to eat and eat all the things, that's how I got fat.
Basically. What foods make you compulsively, mindlessly eat? What foods trigger bad memories? What foods make you slip? That's how I see it.
I would have a hard time with that nutella too. Basically I'd go back for more, take a few extra licks. Probably end up eating two servings. But it would never come to eating the whole jar (closer to it before MFP days though). Is that the difference between self-control and something being an all out trigger food?
I think so, personally. I seriously can't stop at two servings. Or three. Or four. Admittedly, it's the only food I have a problem with! So it's easier to just kick it out of the house.
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Food isn't really a "trigger" for me. Stress is the trigger. Bread (warm, crusty, bread) and beer are my comforts. And really, who wants to stop being comforted? That is why it is better for me to not have these things in the house. I know I lack self control when presented with fresh baked loaf of bread or delicious craft beer.
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enterdanger wrote: »Food isn't really a "trigger" for me. Stress is the trigger. Bread (warm, crusty, bread) and beer are my comforts. And really, who wants to stop being comforted? That is why it is better for me to not have these things in the house. I know I lack self control when presented with fresh baked loaf of bread or delicious craft beer.
I think this is a very valid point. Stress is a huge trigger for me, in all senses. Food was my comfort. Nutella especially, as I've mentioned - and I still can't consume it without those same feelings associated with it. Same with the beer. I'm not very good at having 2-3 unless that's ALL there is to have.0 -
maroonmango211 wrote: »I think just like anything, its different for everyone. What may be my trigger food or what it is triggered by for me may be different for anyone else. by no means do I think its an excuse to over eat, or the same thing as a cheat day or binge. I think some people just like to be able to clarify their feeling about certain parts of their diet so they can better understand what certain foods are an urge rather than a nutritional means to an end.
So, what makes a "trigger" food different than a favorite food, then? My problem is really with the term "trigger," since I've seen it used in a way that seems to give people an excuse to go off the emotional deep end. The way you're describing it here, though, is more like saying, "I really like X and I want to eat it, even though I know it has less nutritional value than other foods I eat and really just fills an emotional need." Egg custard. My grandmother used to make it for me. I love it because it's emotionally satisfying. Is that a "trigger" food?
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KrissyMuree wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »Food isn't really a "trigger" for me. Stress is the trigger. Bread (warm, crusty, bread) and beer are my comforts. And really, who wants to stop being comforted? That is why it is better for me to not have these things in the house. I know I lack self control when presented with fresh baked loaf of bread or delicious craft beer.
I think this is a very valid point. Stress is a huge trigger for me, in all senses. Food was my comfort. Nutella especially, as I've mentioned - and I still can't consume it without those same feelings associated with it. Same with the beer. I'm not very good at having 2-3 unless that's ALL there is to have.
I agree with the idea of stress or something triggering an urge to eat something, but then isn't the food being eaten a comfort food? I can get behind comfort foods--I love my tater tots and brown gravy--but isn't there still the need for self-control?
I appreciate everyone's respectful points and conversation. I'm still not "getting" the idea of what makes "trigger" foods any different than a mere lack of self-control (internal vs. external locus of control).
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »maroonmango211 wrote: »I think just like anything, its different for everyone. What may be my trigger food or what it is triggered by for me may be different for anyone else. by no means do I think its an excuse to over eat, or the same thing as a cheat day or binge. I think some people just like to be able to clarify their feeling about certain parts of their diet so they can better understand what certain foods are an urge rather than a nutritional means to an end.
So, what makes a "trigger" food different than a favorite food, then? My problem is really with the term "trigger," since I've seen it used in a way that seems to give people an excuse to go off the emotional deep end. The way you're describing it here, though, is more like saying, "I really like X and I want to eat it, even though I know it has less nutritional value than other foods I eat and really just fills an emotional need." Egg custard. My grandmother used to make it for me. I love it because it's emotionally satisfying. Is that a "trigger" food?
For me at least it would be an imediate in the moment craving for something or feeling because i ate something instead of a planned out decision to eat something I enjoy. That being said though I usually plan out my meals and snacks ahead of time including most treats. If I have a trigger, it is not part of my normal routine and not a thought ahead guilty pleasure.
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »KrissyMuree wrote: »enterdanger wrote: »Food isn't really a "trigger" for me. Stress is the trigger. Bread (warm, crusty, bread) and beer are my comforts. And really, who wants to stop being comforted? That is why it is better for me to not have these things in the house. I know I lack self control when presented with fresh baked loaf of bread or delicious craft beer.
I think this is a very valid point. Stress is a huge trigger for me, in all senses. Food was my comfort. Nutella especially, as I've mentioned - and I still can't consume it without those same feelings associated with it. Same with the beer. I'm not very good at having 2-3 unless that's ALL there is to have.
I agree with the idea of stress or something triggering an urge to eat something, but then isn't the food being eaten a comfort food? I can get behind comfort foods--I love my tater tots and brown gravy--but isn't there still the need for self-control?
I appreciate everyone's respectful points and conversation. I'm still not "getting" the idea of what makes "trigger" foods any different than a mere lack of self-control (internal vs. external locus of control).
Absolutely, but why not look at self-control a different way?
You're right that the food I find to be a trigger is a comfort food - but it was used in mass amounts to give the comfort. While I may not be able to control myself from consuming the entire jar, I can walk past the jars of Nutella without putting it in my cart. I have the self-control to say, "No. You have a history of abusing it. It isn't good for you (in the amounts you (I) eat). You're not getting it."0 -
KrissyMuree wrote: »
Absolutely, but why not look at self-control a different way?
You're right that the food I find to be a trigger is a comfort food - but it was used in mass amounts to give the comfort. While I may not be able to control myself from consuming the entire jar, I can walk past the jars of Nutella without putting it in my cart. I have the self-control to say, "No. You have a history of abusing it. It isn't good for you (in the amounts you (I) eat). You're not getting it."
I completely understand this kind of self-control, but it seems rather defeatist to me. Instead of labeling a food as a "trigger" food and declaring it off-limits, why not teach yourself to eat it in a reasonable way and not deprive yourself? Keep in mind, I'm using "you" in a generic way here and not saying that you personally have no self-control.
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LoupGarouTFTs wrote: »KrissyMuree wrote: »
Absolutely, but why not look at self-control a different way?
You're right that the food I find to be a trigger is a comfort food - but it was used in mass amounts to give the comfort. While I may not be able to control myself from consuming the entire jar, I can walk past the jars of Nutella without putting it in my cart. I have the self-control to say, "No. You have a history of abusing it. It isn't good for you (in the amounts you (I) eat). You're not getting it."
I completely understand this kind of self-control, but it seems rather defeatist to me. Instead of labeling a food as a "trigger" food and declaring it off-limits, why not teach yourself to eat it in a reasonable way and not deprive yourself? Keep in mind, I'm using "you" in a generic way here and not saying that you personally have no self-control.
A trigger, by definition, "cause(s) (an event or situation) to happen or exist". It triggers me because I eat the entire jar, mindlessly, and then feel I've fallen off the wagon, leading to feelings of failure, which leads to a desire for more comfort food and even less self-control. It leads to old habits, which have yet to die (though it gets better and better with each day!).
I've tried for months to eat it in a reasonable way. Doesn't work.
I don't deprive myself. I choose not to consume it and choose to leave it on the shelf. That's my own version of self-control. I do NOT crave it if it is not in the house, period.
Self-control is, by definition, "the ability to control oneself, in particular one's emotions and desires or the expression of them in one's behavior, especially in difficult situations."
There does not have to be only one kind of self-control. It's not one size fits all. If I can't help myself when it's in the house, the next step is to remove it from my diet altogether, end of story.
Not until after I realized I had the empty jar sitting next to my bedside with a spoon in it did I realize this food was a problem food for me. Whether that is my own psychology or simply because it's so damn good, I don't know, but it remains a trigger for me.0 -
*shrugs* I understand what you're saying, and that's fine. I just don't see the value of cutting something out of my diet if I enjoy it. That's when I need to develop mindful eating instead of mindless eating.
So far I'm not seeing any convincing arguments for actual triggers over simply giving up control or convincing oneself that control is so lacking when consuming something that it must be controlled by eliminating it from one's diet. Personal responsibility. Internal locus of control. Why give them up to food?0 -
I'll agree to disagree.0
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Agreeing to disagree . . . another pet peeve of mine. But that's another thread on another forum. I'm sorry that you couldn't give me something that could convince me they might exist, though.
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