Does waist training really work?
valkoffe41
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Had anyone used any waist trainers and had success? I see a lot of social media about them, but wonder if they actually make your mid section tighter/smaller. Thanks!
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Waist or waste?0
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NO. It does not.
Your body shape is determined by genetics, calories consumed, workout plan.0 -
Waist, like the large elastic bands you wrap around your mid-section.0
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Total waste of time. Kim Kardashian promotes them, think about it...... :huh:0
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^^^^true0
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Any time you wear a brace (which is what the waist trainers are), you inhibit movement and provide external support. Which means your muscles don't have to work as hard to keep you upright. So they can weaken core muscles and lead to chronic back pain.0
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Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:0
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Waist-training is not about losing weight. It is not a thing to do for the sole purpose of losing weight. It can help, because laced properly, it can act like an external lap band -- you physically cannot eat more than the corset will allow your stomach to expand. Personally, it helps me stop eating by giving me a "full signal," because I can't feel full on my own. My body doesn't seem to grasp it.
I waist train, but it has little to nothing to do with my weight loss, it is for back support, as I have chronic back pain, and have had back pain since I was small due to the extreme curvature of my spine. It is also because I like the shape. Will you eventually train your waist down without the corset? You can, if you stay with it, and lace regularly but that doesn't mean you'll weigh less. A corset will redistribute and push the fat around. For me, this means my waist is smaller, but most of the fat is down in the "belly" section, making you look rather unflatteringly like you're pregnant or have a beer belly.0 -
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Waist-training is not about losing weight. It is not a thing to do for the sole purpose of losing weight. It can help, because laced properly, it can act like an external lap band -- you physically cannot eat more than the corset will allow your stomach to expand. Personally, it helps me stop eating by giving me a "full signal," because I can't feel full on my own. My body doesn't seem to grasp it.
I waist train, but it has little to nothing to do with my weight loss, it is for back support, as I have chronic back pain, and have had back pain since I was small due to the extreme curvature of my spine. It is also because I like the shape. Will you eventually train your waist down without the corset? You can, if you stay with it, and lace regularly but that doesn't mean you'll weigh less. A corset will redistribute and push the fat around. For me, this means my waist is smaller, but most of the fat is down in the "belly" section, making you look rather unflatteringly like you're pregnant or have a beer belly.
It is likely you are aggravating the back pain further by using the waist trainer and allowing core muscles to atrophy.0 -
Do I use it specifically for that? No. It's a nice bonus. As I said, I use it mostly for chronic pain, and because I like them. I don't think it is as dangerous as being unable to feel full, no. Not having a full sensor is exceedingly dangerous, especially in a family where "are you full?" is the measure as to whether you are allowed to leave the table or not, or for people who tend to mindlessly eat, or binge. Waist-training has completely eliminated binges, purposeful and accidental for me. Does that mean I suggest corseting for people losing weight? No. Waist-training has nothing to do with losing weight. It can affect your eating habits., but that is not the point, just like the fact that feeling as though you are being hugged all day is not the point.0
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They do work, but it's not a weight loss thing. But yes, if you track people's progress with them, you can see that it does work. Nectere's right.0
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herrspoons wrote: »Do I use it specifically for that? No. It's a nice bonus. As I said, I use it mostly for chronic pain, and because I like them. I don't think it is as dangerous as being unable to feel full, no. Not having a full sensor is exceedingly dangerous, especially in a family where "are you full?" is the measure as to whether you are allowed to leave the table or not, or for people who tend to mindlessly eat, or binge. Waist-training has completely eliminated binges, purposeful and accidental for me. Does that mean I suggest corseting for people losing weight? No. Waist-training has nothing to do with losing weight. It can affect your eating habits., but that is not the point, just like the fact that feeling as though you are being hugged all day is not the point.
You know, you could just tell them you're full even if you don't feel it.
Definitely. I'm just not getting it at all
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I think i need to explain the difference between 'corset training' aka 'tight-lacing' and the thick latex girdle things that are popular at the momment.
The latex bands may help you feel fuller quicker (I'm guessing), but the main point of them is to give a smaller waist. This is a temporary effect though- it works like body wraps in that it compresses the tissue and makes it lose water. The waist measurement will go back to it's origonal size when you take it off and have a drink. It's a quick fix for a one-off occasion. Nothing wrong with that.
Tight -lacing uses steel-boned corsets (or polyboned for sleeping) which can be worn up to 10 hours a day (if you want). Over time they will change the shape of your ribs, organs etc. (which may or may not be permanent) - and can be very dangerous.
Personally I am a corset fan (Goths tend to be) - for evening/ club wear. I wear them for max 5 hours at a time (roughly). I can dance in them. I generally lace down to 22-20 inch (I have a naturally very small waist) but i do have an 18 inch one I'd like to get into. My grandmother had a natural 18 inch waist- so it runs in the family. (My hips are largish though- meh!)0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Do I use it specifically for that? No. It's a nice bonus. As I said, I use it mostly for chronic pain, and because I like them. I don't think it is as dangerous as being unable to feel full, no. Not having a full sensor is exceedingly dangerous, especially in a family where "are you full?" is the measure as to whether you are allowed to leave the table or not, or for people who tend to mindlessly eat, or binge. Waist-training has completely eliminated binges, purposeful and accidental for me. Does that mean I suggest corseting for people losing weight? No. Waist-training has nothing to do with losing weight. It can affect your eating habits., but that is not the point, just like the fact that feeling as though you are being hugged all day is not the point.
You know, you could just tell them you're full even if you don't feel it.
I don't believe in lying to my loved ones.I think i need to explain the difference between 'corset training' aka 'tight-lacing' and the thick latex girdle things that are popular at the momment.
There is a difference between tight-lacing which is drawing your corset down as tight as you can for a specific thing, and waist or corset-training, which uses long-term wear to change the shape of your body.Tight -lacing uses steel-boned corsets (or polyboned for sleeping) which can be worn up to 10 hours a day (if you want). Over time they will change the shape of your ribs, organs etc. (which may or may not be permanent) - and can be very dangerous.
This actually isn't true, it is a urban myth popularised by improper specimen handling in the Victorian era (boiling of human bones before hanging), guesswork, and what people thought corsets did. The modern tightlacer Eden Berlin recently tightlaced in a non-ferrous corset for an MRI on a German show, and it busted many of these ideas: the stomach and liver move up, just like in pregnancy, and while her intestines moved in such a way as to slow digestion. Neither spiral steel nor straight steel bones that are used in corsets have enough pressure to warp bones in a normal, healthy person with normal bone density. The amount of force needed to do that is much higher than the steel can cause, in fact, a cubic inch of bone can in principle bear a load of 19,000 lbs, and you need about 3,300 newtons of force to crack a rib, which neither can exert.
Many waist-trainers waist-train as much as 23/7, I don't personally, but I know people who have, with no ill effects on their bones or organs shown in x-rays or anywhere else.
Again though, the point of waist-training has nothing to do with weight loss.0 -
My mom wore a waist cincher in the early 1950s and she said it was the most painful, uncomfortable thing she had ever worn. When you think about it, it's just a small girdle with the same purpose as Spanx- to camouflage a problem area.0
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Sounds incredibly dumb.0
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herrspoons wrote: »Do I use it specifically for that? No. It's a nice bonus. As I said, I use it mostly for chronic pain, and because I like them. I don't think it is as dangerous as being unable to feel full, no. Not having a full sensor is exceedingly dangerous, especially in a family where "are you full?" is the measure as to whether you are allowed to leave the table or not, or for people who tend to mindlessly eat, or binge. Waist-training has completely eliminated binges, purposeful and accidental for me. Does that mean I suggest corseting for people losing weight? No. Waist-training has nothing to do with losing weight. It can affect your eating habits., but that is not the point, just like the fact that feeling as though you are being hugged all day is not the point.
You know, you could just tell them you're full even if you don't feel it.
I don't believe in lying to my loved ones.I think i need to explain the difference between 'corset training' aka 'tight-lacing' and the thick latex girdle things that are popular at the momment.
There is a difference between tight-lacing which is drawing your corset down as tight as you can for a specific thing, and waist or corset-training, which uses long-term wear to change the shape of your body.Tight -lacing uses steel-boned corsets (or polyboned for sleeping) which can be worn up to 10 hours a day (if you want). Over time they will change the shape of your ribs, organs etc. (which may or may not be permanent) - and can be very dangerous.
This actually isn't true, it is a urban myth popularised by improper specimen handling in the Victorian era (boiling of human bones before hanging), guesswork, and what people thought corsets did. The modern tightlacer Eden Berlin recently tightlaced in a non-ferrous corset for an MRI on a German show, and it busted many of these ideas: the stomach and liver move up, just like in pregnancy, and while her intestines moved in such a way as to slow digestion. Neither spiral steel nor straight steel bones that are used in corsets have enough pressure to warp bones in a normal, healthy person with normal bone density. The amount of force needed to do that is much higher than the steel can cause, in fact, a cubic inch of bone can in principle bear a load of 19,000 lbs, and you need about 3,300 newtons of force to crack a rib, which neither can exert.
Many waist-trainers waist-train as much as 23/7, I don't personally, but I know people who have, with no ill effects on their bones or organs shown in x-rays or anywhere else.
Again though, the point of waist-training has nothing to do with weight loss.
So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
And yes, it's going to be permanent (i.e. "maintenance").
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christinev297 wrote: »Total waste of time. Kim Kardashian promotes them, think about it...... :huh:
I was just about to say that same thing. I will also add that one of Real Housewives of ATL uses it so...yeah NO!
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Wearing anything that constricts the part of the body (arm, leg, thigh, waist, etc.) will temporarily "measure" a bit smaller even when taken off immediately. But eventually the skin and fat, will push it back out.
"REAL" waist training has more to do with how much you're consuming.
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This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
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I've read some into it and it has led into deformed rib-cage, constricting organs, dislocation of ribs, and other long term effects. I personally wouldn't try it.0
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
Perfect
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The only thing it trains your waist to do is be weak and deformed.0
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
Wow that sure looks awesome........
NOT. I'll stick to my naturally abnormal body shape where my organs are where they like to be ha ha!
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.0 -
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
Wow that sure looks awesome........
NOT. I'll stick to my naturally abnormal body shape where my organs are where they like to be ha ha!
Me too. I'll stick with my unmodified waist. Somehow, my friends and family seem to love me anyway.
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.0 -
"I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business."
When you use a corset to convince yourself that you are full, you are lying to yourself.
So is it worse to lie to yourself, or to lie to loved ones about being full even if you aren't, especially if for some reason the social dynamic demands that you report your state of satiety before getting up from the table?
While loved ones can often be invaluably supportive when you try to become healthier, just as often they prove to be major stumbling blocks.
It sure sounds like you need to engage in loved-one management!0
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