Does waist training really work?
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"I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business."
When you use a corset to convince yourself that you are full, you are lying to yourself.
So is it worse to lie to yourself, or to lie to loved ones about being full even if you aren't, especially if for some reason the social dynamic demands that you report your state of satiety before getting up from the table?
While loved ones can often be invaluably supportive when you try to become healthier, just as often they prove to be a major stumbling block.
It sure sounds like you need to figure out how to manage YOUR loved ones!
so true
I lie to my husband and family all the time about my weight loss. They ask "Are you done losing weight" and I say yes! It makes them happy and keeps them off my back
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Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Okay!
Here's another one of those Victorian drawings for you.
Looks horrendous right? Just like the one offered up before as "proof," we can see the effect on the ribs in this drawing. except, that doesn't happen.
Modern studies in car crashes prove how much pressure it takes to deform the ribs, and it's far more than a corset could offer with only a few steel bones. (See: The biomechanics of human ribs: material and structural properties from dynamic tension and bending tests. [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18278600] and Material properties of human rib cortical bone from dynamic tension coupon testing. [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17096275])
Now, organ shifts. Am I saying these don't happen? No. They absolutely do. Is this harmful is the question. Here, you can see aforementioned tightlacer Eden Berlin, standing beside Dr. Eckhart von Hirschhausen, and MRI scans of her in and out of the corset, while wearing the special non-ferrous corset made explicitly for this.
You can obviously see that the organs do shift, however, neither the kidneys nor the lungs have moved or deformed in such a way as to impact their ability to function. Making the first two hypotheses presented by Dr. Hirschhausen (A. The lungs are compromised, so she has a lack of oxygen. B. The kidneys are compressed, so they are less efficient at filtering.) inaccurate. Again, this is a tightlacer, who in this corset has an extreme 20% waist reduction - not a reduction worn by a waist-trainer on a normal day.
Now, let's look at other organs shall we?
Now, we're looking at the digestive system, particularly the intestines and the colon. Now, because this corset was tightlaced in one go (which is not recommended, but many people do,) you can see that it is stuck in above and below. This may look graphic, but it is not harmful, in fact, it can be helpful. "An MRI investigation into the function of the transversus abdominis muscle during "drawing-in" of the abdominal wall." by Dr. J. Hides, Division of Physiotherapy, School of Health and Rehabilitation Sciences, published in Spine medical journal, found that both drawing in those muscles, or forcing the colon to move for any length of time, actually improved the stabilization of the lumbopelvic region.
Now, by looking at this picture, we can see that unlike the drawing above (the one I posted) the liver and the stomach lie below the corset, not above it.
As far as the intestines, the MRI shows, Dr. Hirschhausen's third hypothesis, that the intestines are moved and digestion would slow is the correct one. However, how much they move will depend on the percentage of reduction you're using with a corset. Dr. Hirschhausen found that there was no risk to any organs by tightlacing to a 20% reduction, which is double where most regular waist-trainers go: 10-15% is suggested, depending on how much of that reduction is simply excess fat moving. He did say that some people may struggle with constipation if they tightlace to that extreme without a proper diet.
And when talking about organs, I feel the need to point out, that the intestinal effects shown are without the "half-hour drop" that occurs after half-an-hour to an hour, when you lace in stages as opposed to how Eden does it as a tightlacer, which brings the intestines closer to their normal resting position. And, through the magic of hands, even the most dedicated waist-trainers remove their corsets for at least an hour a day, allowing the body to rest in its normal position.0 -
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Okay!
Here's another one of those Victorian drawings for you.
Apparently a corset also makes your boobs more saggy?0 -
When you use a corset to convince yourself that you are full, you are lying to yourself.
It's not a lie at all. My body does not have a full sensor, so technically, my body is constantly lying to me by saying it needs food. It'll say it needs food after I eat an entire pizza and three bowls of kale salad. Do you consider people with lap bands to be lying when they say they are full? I feel it when my stomach stretches to that point because of the corset, just like a person with a lap band feels full when their stomach can't expand any more. And as I have said repeatedly I do not wear a corset to feel full. It is a bonus I get. Corsets should not be used for weight loss alone. That is not the point of them.I lie to my husband and family all the time about my weight loss. They ask "Are you done losing weight" and I say yes! It makes them happy and keeps them off my back
That is so sad!
How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that. 0 -
ncboiler89 wrote: »
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Okay!
Here's another one of those Victorian drawings for you.
Apparently a corset also makes your boobs more saggy?
Victorian doctors thought so, it was one of the symptoms they touted, claiming that it would impact breast tissue and milk production, making them to be "less fit wives" because they would be bad at nursing their babies.0 -
ncboiler89 wrote: »
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Okay!
Here's another one of those Victorian drawings for you.
Apparently a corset also makes your boobs more saggy?
Victorian doctors thought so, it was one of the symptoms they touted, claiming that it would impact breast tissue and milk production, making them to be "less fit wives" because they would be bad at nursing their babies.
Seems like the more saggy the better when it comes to nursing. I mean best case scenario you can lay the baby the ground while nursing. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb dude.0 -
ncboiler89 wrote: »ncboiler89 wrote: »
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Okay!
Here's another one of those Victorian drawings for you.
Apparently a corset also makes your boobs more saggy?
Victorian doctors thought so, it was one of the symptoms they touted, claiming that it would impact breast tissue and milk production, making them to be "less fit wives" because they would be bad at nursing their babies.
Seems like the more saggy the better when it comes to nursing. I mean best case scenario you can lay the baby the ground while nursing. But what do I know? I'm just a dumb dude.
I didn't say they were logical.
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valkoffe41 wrote: »Had anyone used any waist trainers and had success? I see a lot of social media about them, but wonder if they actually make your mid section tighter/smaller. Thanks!
Mine has worked! I go through Ann cherry brand and have lost 2 1/2 inches0 -
Here you go:christinev297 wrote: »Hopefully someone will post the picture of what these things do to your organs :noway:
By which you're saying 'let's post pictures of what Victorians thought corsets did to your body, rather than doing actual research into what they actually do?' That's an outdated "medical" drawing based on what people thought they did. Any waist-trainer worth their salt who has the option will get doctor approval before wearing a corset.So what you're saying is that this method does in fact push internal organs out of their usual position, similar to the end stages of pregnancy which, by the way, can be seriously uncomfortable...and were never by nature intended to be a permanent situation (and, given an 9.5-month pregnancy, don't exist for the entire pregnancy anyway, but only the final trimester, generally).
Yes it can shift organs, especially if you lace all at one in the beginning of the day, rather than in stages, like most suggest. Guess what, though? Once you take it off, they move right back, no worse for wear, no bruising, no damage, and if a corset is uncomfortable, you're doing it wrong. Corsets, contrary to popular belief are not painful and do not stop you from breathing. If I can sing La Luce Langue laced down seven inches without a problem, breathing is not going to be an issue for a person just going about their day.This whole concept just sounds wrong. I don't get why people invest in this. Who wants the fat pushed somewhere else? Why not just work to eliminate it? Also...lying to your family sounds better than rearranging your internal parts. Not sure I understand the logic.
Again corsets have nothing to do with losing weight. I invest in it because I like being able to go about my day without being in extreme pain. For me, since I do not "get full" it also provides me with an alert that my body does not provide. That is not the reason I wear it. I am also a little dismayed that so many people advocate deception and lying to the people they claim to care about, but that's their business.
Let me say this again. Corset training is not about losing weight. I do not advocate any kind of waist-training for the purpose of losing weight. The only real way to lose weight is by watching food and exercise intake and burning more than you take in. I also do not advocate starting waist-training without checking with a doctor first.
So do you have any links to support this data about what the organs "actually" do? You say the attached image is wrong, and it may be. Where is your data that supports what you say actually happens to the organs, that they remain undamaged and so on? For instance, do you have any images of xrays or MRIs that we may look at? And do you have any medical data (for instance, studies) that support your claims?
You may say, "Your information is wrong and mine is right," but that's not a foregone conclusion. Both may actually be wrong, until we see some supporting evidence.
Your organs move more in pregnancy...0 -
Wait....what??! If its not for weight loss...its just to make your WAIST smaller while the rest of you remains big (assumption...I know not everyone is big..but I am so I'm thinking in terms of me).. Maybe I'm just lame...but this just may be the worst plan ever. I just don't get it. Not bashing or trying to be mean...I legitimately don't get it.0
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Wait....what??! If its not for weight loss...its just to make your WAIST smaller while the rest of you remains big (assumption...I know not everyone is big..but I am so I'm thinking in terms of me).. Maybe I'm just lame...but this just may be the worst plan ever. I just don't get it. Not bashing or trying to be mean...I legitimately don't get it.
I use mine for back support, technically. However, even in aesthetic waist-training, the point is not to alter your weight, but the shape of your body. Putting on a corset gives you a silhouette change, it doesn't alter how much you weigh. Technically putting on a pair of spanx which is intended to pull fat back is more about what you weigh than a corset. If someone likes the size of their bust and hips, but wants their waist to be smaller it's an option, while at the same time know some waist-trainers who don't want to lose weight at all, they just want the hourglass shape, but genetics means that their weight is deposited at their waist instead of their hips.
There are a lot of reasons people wear corsets. Some like the look that they get, some like the feeling of wearing them (I do, it's like a hug that lasts all day), some people are trying to make that middle measurement go down, some have chronic back pain or curvature of the spine, and the steel supports allieviate that, some feel more confident in a corset, some do use it with doctors as an alternative to bariatric surgery, but these are rare. I've only met one in years in the corset community.0 -
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That is so sad! How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that.
I find it sad that you squeeze your stomach from an external source rather than teach yourself what a "full signal" is and that you are required to tell your family you're so squeezed that you are physically full enough that you are now allowed down from the table like a toddler rather than saying, "I'm an adult and I decide when I stop eating." I couldn't live like that. And I mean I REALLY couldn't live like that. I'd be headed to a therapist's office toot-sweet.
Also, the idea of a "hug" non-stop without let up for six or more hours straight on a daily basis seriously turns me off. I am a very physically demonstrative person but that seems extraordinarily overly-needy and again, would have me a bit concerned about my state of emotional health.
As for the back issues, I'd probably be seeing an actual doctor about that.
Just goes to show how different people can be from one another, I suppose.
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valkoffe41 wrote: »Had anyone used any waist trainers and had success? I see a lot of social media about them, but wonder if they actually make your mid section tighter/smaller. Thanks!
There is a video on YouTube from Chris jones regarding this and I actually agree with him based on the number of instagramers who also wear the bands. The DO work at slimming the waste HOWEVER it is because it is applying constant pressure against your abdominal wall and organs causing them to shift. So slimmer waist, yes but definitely a dangerous lawsuit waiting to happen.0 -
I think they'd make me feel claustrophobic. My hubby is very cuddly and squeezes me like a vice, drives me nuts
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upgradeddiddy wrote: »valkoffe41 wrote: »Had anyone used any waist trainers and had success? I see a lot of social media about them, but wonder if they actually make your mid section tighter/smaller. Thanks!
There is a video on YouTube from Chris jones regarding this and I actually agree with him based on the number of instagramers who also wear the bands. The DO work at slimming the waste HOWEVER it is because it is applying constant pressure against your abdominal wall and organs causing them to shift. So slimmer waist, yes but definitely a dangerous lawsuit waiting to happen.
Oh, not to worry. The OP has already explained how amazingly safe it is, not to mention the better option for spinal curvature - who needs a medical doctor when you have annabelleslittlesecret.com or whatever?
Besides...who wouldn't like a too-firm, organ-compressing hug for 20 hours a day? (shudder)
As an added bonus, it keeps Fullness Sensor Absence Syndrome, Not Otherwise Specified (FSAS-NOS) in check.
And we can't forget that it allows fully grown people to be excused from the dinner table.
What's not to love? Want to place your order now? I know I am so there, because Amazon is currently out of waterboards.0 -
Yeah but it is not healthy for long term use is my understanding. I have a friend who did it for a month and saw drastic results. She also lost 5 pounds because the corset squished her stomach and she couldn't eat. I wore one once and felt sick all day like I had eaten too much food. As soon as I took it off, I felt starving. I have considered investing in one to wear around the house to help me overcome my emotional eating since I am thoroughly convinced the whole find hobbies and stay busy to avoid eating is a myth.0
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Sometimes you just have to let the young and naive learn for themselves
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That is so sad! How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that.
I find it sad that you squeeze your stomach from an external source rather than teach yourself what a "full signal" is and that you are required to tell your family you're so squeezed that you are physically full enough that you are now allowed down from the table like a toddler rather than saying, "I'm an adult and I decide when I stop eating." I couldn't live like that. And I mean I REALLY couldn't live like that. I'd be headed to a therapist's office toot-sweet.
Also, the idea of a "hug" non-stop without let up for six or more hours straight on a daily basis seriously turns me off. I am a very physically demonstrative person but that seems extraordinarily overly-needy and again, would have me a bit concerned about my state of emotional health.
As for the back issues, I'd probably be seeing an actual doctor about that.
Just goes to show how different people can be from one another, I suppose.
1. I can't teach myself what a full sensor is, I do not actually have one. You cannot "teach" someone with Prader-Willi syndrome what a "full signal" is, it's not possible.
2. Deciding when to stop eating is not easy when your body tells you that you are constantly hungry.
3. I like it, and my emotional health has been fine for years.
4. I have seen actual doctors, all five of which supported my decision to corset rather than have surgery or be on high-level painkillers, thank you.Oh, not to worry. The OP has already explained how amazingly safe it is, not to mention the better option for spinal curvature - who needs a medical doctor when you have annabelleslittlesecret.com or whatever?
1. I am not the OP.
2. I have never, ever suggested waist training without discussing it with a doctor. That would be irresponsible, any kind of compression or body modification should be discussed with medical doctors first.
Your ignorance is astounding. Prader-Willi Syndrome is a real thing, and something many people struggle with.As an added bonus, it keeps Fullness Sensor Absence Syndrome, Not Otherwise Specified (FSAS-NOS) in check.But you're fine with lying to yourself.
No, I am not. I am relieving pain and getting a bonus in that it corrects a congenital problem I have. It simply tells me when my stomach has expanded to a certain point. That is not a lie. Again, do you consider those with lap bands to be lying when they say they are full?0 -
Way to pull out P-W as an "aha!" when you didn't bother to mention it before.
My "ignorance" of your having P-W is in no way astounding unless you were assuming I was psychic. Or unless you are very easily astounded.
I am not ignorant of the mechanics of P-W (in fact, my son was assessed for it along with other genetic testing).
By the way, weird that your doctors decided it was a choice between either drugs or something from the internet in fab glossy black. Some doctors understand that there's another choice - actual medical-grade back supporters and aligners - in between those. I suppose it's my own bad luck that I never had a doctor who said, "You know what? Skip real medical devices and go for something in Gibson girl pink and black stripes."
Happy trails.
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This lady didn't ask for all of your rude a** comments. If you have never used it, then you shouldn't have answered at all keep your stupid comments to yourselves and most of you are comfortable with your fat and probably have accepted the idea that you are never going to be in shape and your family has to love you for who you are even if that's fat.-5
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That is so sad! How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that.
I find it sad that you squeeze your stomach from an external source rather than teach yourself what a "full signal" is and that you are required to tell your family you're so squeezed that you are physically full enough that you are now allowed down from the table like a toddler rather than saying, "I'm an adult and I decide when I stop eating." I couldn't live like that. And I mean I REALLY couldn't live like that. I'd be headed to a therapist's office toot-sweet.
Also, the idea of a "hug" non-stop without let up for six or more hours straight on a daily basis seriously turns me off. I am a very physically demonstrative person but that seems extraordinarily overly-needy and again, would have me a bit concerned about my state of emotional health.
As for the back issues, I'd probably be seeing an actual doctor about that.
Just goes to show how different people can be from one another, I suppose.
1. I can't teach myself what a full sensor is, I do not actually have one. You cannot "teach" someone with Prader-Willi syndrome what a "full signal" is, it's not possible.
2. Deciding when to stop eating is not easy when your body tells you that you are constantly hungry.
3. I like it, and my emotional health has been fine for years.
4. I have seen actual doctors, all five of which supported my decision to corset rather than have surgery or be on high-level painkillers, thank you.Oh, not to worry. The OP has already explained how amazingly safe it is, not to mention the better option for spinal curvature - who needs a medical doctor when you have annabelleslittlesecret.com or whatever?
1. I am not the OP.
2. I have never, ever suggested waist training without discussing it with a doctor. That would be irresponsible, any kind of compression or body modification should be discussed with medical doctors first.
Your ignorance is astounding. Prader-Willi Syndrome is a real thing, and something many people struggle with.As an added bonus, it keeps Fullness Sensor Absence Syndrome, Not Otherwise Specified (FSAS-NOS) in check.But you're fine with lying to yourself.
No, I am not. I am relieving pain and getting a bonus in that it corrects a congenital problem I have. It simply tells me when my stomach has expanded to a certain point. That is not a lie. Again, do you consider those with lap bands to be lying when they say they are full?
1. You imply (but never overtly state) that you have PWS. People with PWS perpetually feel they are starving. If food is padlocked, they will chew through the freaking padlock. No one is making them sit at a dinner table until they feel full. It chips away at any credibility when you throw around medical terms inappropriately to try and garner legitimacy when making ridiculous claims.
2. Waist trainers will cause chronic back pain. Same as TLSO brace. Wearing it to treat back pain is the stupidest thing I've come across on the forums, and there were three new detox threads today, so that's really saying something.
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Way to pull out P-W as an "aha!" when you didn't bother to mention it before.
My "ignorance" of your having P-W is in no way astounding unless you were assuming I was psychic. Or unless you are very easily astounded.
I am not ignorant of the mechanics of P-W (in fact, my son was assessed for it along with other genetic testing). If there's anything astounding here, it's your nearly unbelievable presumptions.
Happy trails.
I was responding to your attitude regarding my comments about being unable to feel full, usually I only encounter that level of mocking vitriol when people are ignorant that you can be born without an ability to feel full. I only mentioned P-W by name when you decided to make up an acronym in a way that came across as quite rude.
If there was a misunderstanding, I apologise, but your posts felt quite attacking.0 -
Way to pull out P-W as an "aha!" when you didn't bother to mention it before.
My "ignorance" of your having P-W is in no way astounding unless you were assuming I was psychic. Or unless you are very easily astounded.
I am not ignorant of the mechanics of P-W (in fact, my son was assessed for it along with other genetic testing). If there's anything astounding here, it's your nearly unbelievable presumptions.
Happy trails.
I was responding to your attitude regarding my comments about being unable to feel full, usually I only encounter that level of mocking vitriol when people are ignorant that you can be born without an ability to feel full. I only mentioned P-W by name when you decided to make up an acronym in a way that came across as quite rude.
If there was a misunderstanding, I apologise, but your posts felt quite attacking.
So DO you actually have P-W? You had genetic testing?
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This is my take. I searched Google images for "waist training before and afters". I see lots of authentic "tightlacer" corset wearers, some pics of KKardashian, and only a few before and after images of people wearing the modern waist trainer--most of which are very badly photoshopped images or a picture of a torso "before" without the trainer on, and the "after" of the person wearing it.
Not one authentic before and after photo of "true" results of what this product claims it can do. Because, and here's the (not so) surprise--it likely doesn't do what photoshop insists it does for the celebrities who market for the trainers.0 -
pollypocket1021 wrote: »
That is so sad! How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that.
I find it sad that you squeeze your stomach from an external source rather than teach yourself what a "full signal" is and that you are required to tell your family you're so squeezed that you are physically full enough that you are now allowed down from the table like a toddler rather than saying, "I'm an adult and I decide when I stop eating." I couldn't live like that. And I mean I REALLY couldn't live like that. I'd be headed to a therapist's office toot-sweet.
Also, the idea of a "hug" non-stop without let up for six or more hours straight on a daily basis seriously turns me off. I am a very physically demonstrative person but that seems extraordinarily overly-needy and again, would have me a bit concerned about my state of emotional health.
As for the back issues, I'd probably be seeing an actual doctor about that.
Just goes to show how different people can be from one another, I suppose.
1. I can't teach myself what a full sensor is, I do not actually have one. You cannot "teach" someone with Prader-Willi syndrome what a "full signal" is, it's not possible.
2. Deciding when to stop eating is not easy when your body tells you that you are constantly hungry.
3. I like it, and my emotional health has been fine for years.
4. I have seen actual doctors, all five of which supported my decision to corset rather than have surgery or be on high-level painkillers, thank you.Oh, not to worry. The OP has already explained how amazingly safe it is, not to mention the better option for spinal curvature - who needs a medical doctor when you have annabelleslittlesecret.com or whatever?
1. I am not the OP.
2. I have never, ever suggested waist training without discussing it with a doctor. That would be irresponsible, any kind of compression or body modification should be discussed with medical doctors first.
Your ignorance is astounding. Prader-Willi Syndrome is a real thing, and something many people struggle with.As an added bonus, it keeps Fullness Sensor Absence Syndrome, Not Otherwise Specified (FSAS-NOS) in check.But you're fine with lying to yourself.
No, I am not. I am relieving pain and getting a bonus in that it corrects a congenital problem I have. It simply tells me when my stomach has expanded to a certain point. That is not a lie. Again, do you consider those with lap bands to be lying when they say they are full?
1. You imply (but never overtly state) that you have PWS. People with PWS perpetually feel they are starving. If food is padlocked, they will chew through the freaking padlock. No one is making them sit at a dinner table until they feel full. It chips away at any credibility when you throw around medical terms inappropriately to try and garner legitimacy when making ridiculous claims.
2. Waist trainers will cause chronic back pain. Same as TLSO brace. Wearing it to treat back pain is the stupidest thing I've come across on the forums, and there were three new detox threads today, so that's really saying something.
Good luck
1. I don't advertise my medical problems by name often because I've gotten harassment about it all through my life from "hurt hurr you're retarded" and worse. I'm defensive. Yes, I do have hyperphagia, which my family monitors by ensuring I only eat at the table. Guess what happens when you get two grandmothers together who both lived through starving conditions? They want to make sure you get enough, even if it's bad for you.
2. Yes, bracing can cause problems. When you have severe scoliosis there are only bad options, including very expensive surgeries. When you cannot afford surgery or extremely high-powered painkillers, it is a bunch of bad options. As I've said, waist-training should only be done with doctor approval, which is why I do not do it to extremes, because that was my doctor's suggestion.0 -
pollypocket1021 wrote: »
That is so sad! How can you share your life with people and not trust them with the truth about your goals and desires? I couldn't live like that.
I find it sad that you squeeze your stomach from an external source rather than teach yourself what a "full signal" is and that you are required to tell your family you're so squeezed that you are physically full enough that you are now allowed down from the table like a toddler rather than saying, "I'm an adult and I decide when I stop eating." I couldn't live like that. And I mean I REALLY couldn't live like that. I'd be headed to a therapist's office toot-sweet.
Also, the idea of a "hug" non-stop without let up for six or more hours straight on a daily basis seriously turns me off. I am a very physically demonstrative person but that seems extraordinarily overly-needy and again, would have me a bit concerned about my state of emotional health.
As for the back issues, I'd probably be seeing an actual doctor about that.
Just goes to show how different people can be from one another, I suppose.
1. I can't teach myself what a full sensor is, I do not actually have one. You cannot "teach" someone with Prader-Willi syndrome what a "full signal" is, it's not possible.
2. Deciding when to stop eating is not easy when your body tells you that you are constantly hungry.
3. I like it, and my emotional health has been fine for years.
4. I have seen actual doctors, all five of which supported my decision to corset rather than have surgery or be on high-level painkillers, thank you.Oh, not to worry. The OP has already explained how amazingly safe it is, not to mention the better option for spinal curvature - who needs a medical doctor when you have annabelleslittlesecret.com or whatever?
1. I am not the OP.
2. I have never, ever suggested waist training without discussing it with a doctor. That would be irresponsible, any kind of compression or body modification should be discussed with medical doctors first.
Your ignorance is astounding. Prader-Willi Syndrome is a real thing, and something many people struggle with.As an added bonus, it keeps Fullness Sensor Absence Syndrome, Not Otherwise Specified (FSAS-NOS) in check.But you're fine with lying to yourself.
No, I am not. I am relieving pain and getting a bonus in that it corrects a congenital problem I have. It simply tells me when my stomach has expanded to a certain point. That is not a lie. Again, do you consider those with lap bands to be lying when they say they are full?
1. You imply (but never overtly state) that you have PWS. People with PWS perpetually feel they are starving. If food is padlocked, they will chew through the freaking padlock. No one is making them sit at a dinner table until they feel full. It chips away at any credibility when you throw around medical terms inappropriately to try and garner legitimacy when making ridiculous claims.
2. Waist trainers will cause chronic back pain. Same as TLSO brace. Wearing it to treat back pain is the stupidest thing I've come across on the forums, and there were three new detox threads today, so that's really saying something.
Good luck
1. I don't advertise my medical problems by name often because I've gotten harassment about it all through my life from "hurt hurr you're retarded" and worse. I'm defensive. Yes, I do have hyperphagia, which my family monitors by ensuring I only eat at the table. Guess what happens when you get two grandmothers together who both lived through starving conditions? They want to make sure you get enough, even if it's bad for you.
2. Yes, bracing can cause problems. When you have severe scoliosis there are only bad options, including very expensive surgeries. When you cannot afford surgery or extremely high-powered painkillers, it is a bunch of bad options. As I've said, waist-training should only be done with doctor approval, which is why I do not do it to extremes, because that was my doctor's suggestion.
So yes, you do in fact have Prader-Willi?
Because this would actually be new information for me, that it was more of a spectrum. From my understanding and from the (although admittedly brief - but of course I did go on to research this while awaiting test results) background information my son's geneticist gave me, an individual with PWS, in general, literally won't stop eating, sometimes to the point of vomiting, unless stopped by someone else; I'm not getting the image of a person who requires more food pressed upon him or her, even by a grandparent afraid of hunger. Far from it.
I am sorry that you were picked on as a child, but you're an adult now. My son IS intellectually delayed, so I'm not being cavalier in that statement. You are not intellectually delayed and are a grown-up and so have no excuse that you're afraid of other's reactions in order to cover the fact that you were setting up a "gotcha!" I don't buy it.
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Way to pull out P-W as an "aha!" when you didn't bother to mention it before.
My "ignorance" of your having P-W is in no way astounding unless you were assuming I was psychic. Or unless you are very easily astounded.
I am not ignorant of the mechanics of P-W (in fact, my son was assessed for it along with other genetic testing). If there's anything astounding here, it's your nearly unbelievable presumptions.
Happy trails.
I was responding to your attitude regarding my comments about being unable to feel full, usually I only encounter that level of mocking vitriol when people are ignorant that you can be born without an ability to feel full. I only mentioned P-W by name when you decided to make up an acronym in a way that came across as quite rude.
If there was a misunderstanding, I apologise, but your posts felt quite attacking.
So DO you actually have P-W? You had genetic testing?
Yes, and years of physical therapy, occupational therapy, growth hormone injections when I was younger and more crap than I like to relive. And, to make things a little bit worse, my Biologicals also drank, so I was very lucky to be adopted by a loving family who was willing to cart me to Hershey Medical and Shriner's and mortgage the house to pay for treatments for this and that.
And no, I have no illusions about my weight, I'm at MFP to change it, because I know the difference between waist-training and weight loss and I am doing both.0
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