45 yr Man - Fat because I am depressed? or depressed cause I am fat?

RBrigzy
RBrigzy Posts: 152 Member
edited November 16 in Motivation and Support
45 year old man - classic time of life to be depressed - apparently.

But am I depressed cause I am over weight and can't loose it? - or am I eating just because I am depressed?

I have stopped smoking - but that is making me even more freakin miserable.

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  • toolzz
    toolzz Posts: 163 Member
    I asked myself the same question about 8 years ago - am I fat because I am unhappy or unhappy because I am fat. The only way to know it to lose the weight. You CAN lose it but it takes effort. Weigh and track your food on MFP and get on with it. The end result will not necessarily cure your depression but I guarantee you will feel better and more capable of tackling whatever issues remain.

    As far as me....I lost the 50 lbs - maintained the loss to this day - and found I was fat because I was unhappy....but needed to throw in a divorce to put a bow on the whole thing.

    Good luck, take care and don't give up!
  • sheldonklein
    sheldonklein Posts: 854 Member
    The answer is Yes. Fortunately, losing weight can help with both. Unlike most of the things that i expect you are miserable about, losing weight is entirely in your control. Gifting yourself an accomplishment is pleasurable. Having clothes that fit is pleasurable. It won't make all of your other problems go away, but it's a lot of bang for your buck.
  • lauracups
    lauracups Posts: 533 Member
    My apologies for being terse, but it doesn't matter which fuels which, all that matters is what you wish for your state of mind to be. I mean really think about it, how do you want to feel? One small change, even if it seems insignificant can snow ball. That can be true for negative and positive. Make one tiny positive step toward what you really want.
    Good luck!
  • hupsii
    hupsii Posts: 258 Member
    it's the small things in life that lift your spirit - usually a walk in Nature is great for your mind. But I have a very close relative and it's like talking to a wall ... so my advice to you - get professional help !
  • kjablinskey
    kjablinskey Posts: 47 Member
    I can relate, I'm 44 and a guy too. Rough time for us. Navigating through treacherous seas at this time in our lives, careers, relationships, our bodies. the effects of time and neglect on all these things I think often reached critical mass about this time.

    Like others have said, losing weight by itself won't cure any one problem. They are all interconnected and untangling them will take work in several areas.

    But I can also tell you that getting fit will definitely help, and it's the first (and frankly easiest) thing you can fix. Get obsessive/compulsive about honestly logging your calories with this app, use excercise as a coping mechanism when those other problems make you feel overwhelmed, and start seeing a counselor/therapist.

    It won't happen overnight, but it WILL get better, I promise you. Oh, and use the forums here like you already have. There's good people here who will help you.
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
    It could be either... And sometimes it's a vicious cycle.

    Sadly, losing weight doesn't magically make your issues go away. You often hear people say "I'll be happy when I weigh Xkg", or "if I'm a size X I'll be happy". Sorry... Not true. I would try and work on both perspectives, work out what is making you unhappy and make steps to change that!

    Losing weight may give you more energy, give you more confidence etc which will help you feel better about life but there's likely other issues you need to work on.

    You can do it!
  • RBrigzy
    RBrigzy Posts: 152 Member
    Thank you all for taking the time to write and to share what look to be wise words.
    It probably is just one of a bunch of things - relationship not working out being the biggest one.
    Well - big sigh, count my blessings (simple maths - thats 3 children) and see if I can make a difference.
    I suppose in my head, loosing a stone or more might lead to a relationship - then again maybe happiness lies it not bothering to find anyone any more! - who knows!
    Anyway I am off for a long walk now.
    Thank again
    Richard
  • livingleanlivingclean
    livingleanlivingclean Posts: 11,751 Member
    Relationships will happen when you're happy with yourself - you need to be selfish and make time to learn and discover how to be happy with you right now. Know it's possible to change, but appreciate your life for what it is at this moment.
  • jkwolly
    jkwolly Posts: 3,049 Member
    RBrigzy wrote: »
    Thank you all for taking the time to write and to share what look to be wise words.
    It probably is just one of a bunch of things - relationship not working out being the biggest one.
    Well - big sigh, count my blessings (simple maths - thats 3 children) and see if I can make a difference.
    I suppose in my head, loosing a stone or more might lead to a relationship - then again maybe happiness lies it not bothering to find anyone any more! - who knows!
    Anyway I am off for a long walk now.
    Thank again
    Richard
    Making a conscious effort to change and be healthy for yourself is important. Having a positive frame of mind is a great thing and can lead you to do things you thought you never could.

    Also, I'd definitely talk to someone if you're still feeling this way for a bit longer.
  • lavrn03
    lavrn03 Posts: 235 Member
    I can relate, I'm 44 and a guy too. Rough time for us. Navigating through treacherous seas at this time in our lives, careers, relationships, our bodies. the effects of time and neglect on all these things I think often reached critical mass about this time.

    Like others have said, losing weight by itself won't cure any one problem. They are all interconnected and untangling them will take work in several areas.

    But I can also tell you that getting fit will definitely help, and it's the first (and frankly easiest) thing you can fix. Get obsessive/compulsive about honestly logging your calories with this app, use excercise as a coping mechanism when those other problems make you feel overwhelmed, and start seeing a counselor/therapist.

    It won't happen overnight, but it WILL get better, I promise you. Oh, and use the forums here like you already have. There's good people here who will help you.

    I agree.....

    My husband is 42 years old and we have a crazy busy life. We both needed to lose weight and do more for ourselves. I noticed he was getting into a funk and depressed about where he was in his life.
    So I got us started on our health kick journey. And it's been 7 months in. We are both happier and lighter.
    Life is still insane but we make sure that we both have time to exercise. We both plan on preparing our meals. We try to have time for ourselves and together. It has been a joint effort. We r much happier!!
    Do you have support around you??
  • RBrigzy
    RBrigzy Posts: 152 Member
    lavrn03 wrote: »
    I can relate, I'm 44 and a guy too. Rough time for us. Navigating through treacherous seas at this time in our lives, careers, relationships, our bodies. the effects of time and neglect on all these things I think often reached critical mass about this time.

    Like others have said, losing weight by itself won't cure any one problem. They are all interconnected and untangling them will take work in several areas.

    But I can also tell you that getting fit will definitely help, and it's the first (and frankly easiest) thing you can fix. Get obsessive/compulsive about honestly logging your calories with this app, use excercise as a coping mechanism when those other problems make you feel overwhelmed, and start seeing a counselor/therapist.

    It won't happen overnight, but it WILL get better, I promise you. Oh, and use the forums here like you already have. There's good people here who will help you.

    I agree.....

    My husband is 42 years old and we have a crazy busy life. We both needed to lose weight and do more for ourselves. I noticed he was getting into a funk and depressed about where he was in his life.
    So I got us started on our health kick journey. And it's been 7 months in. We are both happier and lighter.
    Life is still insane but we make sure that we both have time to exercise. We both plan on preparing our meals. We try to have time for ourselves and together. It has been a joint effort. We r much happier!!
    Do you have support around you??

    Thats good - your husband is lucky to have such a motivating partner - and vice versa.
    I have a teenage son at home, not wishing to burden him, maybe I will get out there and join some walking groups or something like that.
  • hupsii
    hupsii Posts: 258 Member
    RBrigzy wrote: »
    lavrn03 wrote: »
    I can relate, I'm 44 and a guy too. Rough time for us. Navigating through treacherous seas at this time in our lives, careers, relationships, our bodies. the effects of time and neglect on all these things I think often reached critical mass about this time.

    Like others have said, losing weight by itself won't cure any one problem. They are all interconnected and untangling them will take work in several areas.

    But I can also tell you that getting fit will definitely help, and it's the first (and frankly easiest) thing you can fix. Get obsessive/compulsive about honestly logging your calories with this app, use excercise as a coping mechanism when those other problems make you feel overwhelmed, and start seeing a counselor/therapist.

    It won't happen overnight, but it WILL get better, I promise you. Oh, and use the forums here like you already have. There's good people here who will help you.

    I agree.....

    My husband is 42 years old and we have a crazy busy life. We both needed to lose weight and do more for ourselves. I noticed he was getting into a funk and depressed about where he was in his life.
    So I got us started on our health kick journey. And it's been 7 months in. We are both happier and lighter.
    Life is still insane but we make sure that we both have time to exercise. We both plan on preparing our meals. We try to have time for ourselves and together. It has been a joint effort. We r much happier!!
    Do you have support around you??

    Thats good - your husband is lucky to have such a motivating partner - and vice versa.
    I have a teenage son at home, not wishing to burden him, maybe I will get out there and join some walking groups or something like that.

    Great idea ! Get out there and walk !
  • Ftw37
    Ftw37 Posts: 386 Member
    edited April 2015
    RBrigzy wrote: »
    ...am I depressed cause I am over weight and can't loose it? - or am I eating just because I am depressed?

    Lose the weight, stay quit, and find out if you're a depressed, miserable skinny non-smoker. The worst that can happen is that you improve your health.

  • softblondechick
    softblondechick Posts: 1,275 Member
    All fat people are not depressed. Therefore, you are a depressed person, who happens to also be fat.

    I hate it when people automatically assume that a fat person must have a mental health problem.

    That being said, if you need professional mental health treatment for depression, you should seek that out, and perhaps have an evaluation for psychotropic medication.

    Improving your diet and walking more can improve your mood.
  • teamgiff4
    teamgiff4 Posts: 62 Member
    Losing weight in the past has not solved my problems or made me 'happy'. But I will say that when I am taking care of myself ( not starving, or bingeing) and I am staying active, I do feel better and that carries into other aspects of my life---marriage, children, friends etc. But losing the weight doesn't mean that the work is over and that all of a sudden everything is perfect. For me, it is a coping skill for life and all the *kitten* it throws at you! :)
  • kjablinskey
    kjablinskey Posts: 47 Member
    You sound like you're starting down the right road mentally. The one thing I heard though that might be a bit of a stumble was that you don't want to burden your teenage son with your problems. I think that is a normal response for a guy, trying to be the stoic protector.

    But kids are tougher than we generally give them credit for and if he's living in your house he undoubtedly already know more about your issues than YOU think he does. How you respond and deal with your problems are going to be s model for him in his own life, would you want him to keep his issues from you or would you rather he talk to you about them and let you help him through them?

    It swings both ways.
  • Evenstranger
    Evenstranger Posts: 69 Member
    I'm 47, very overweight, but not depressed. I am, however, tired, frustrated, and resistant to going out and doing things because my size makes it difficult. It resembles the same behaviors of someone who is clinically depressed, but doesn't involve the same brain chemicals necessarily. Losing weight, for me, will make all those things better. For someone clinically depressed, it may help, it may not. There's a line from the movie "Total Recall" talking about the problems with traditional vacations - "No matter where you go, there you are." The same thing applies to our weight and and our health. One could lose a couple hundred pounds, but if you're not happy with who you are as a person, you'll just be an unhappy skinnier person. Changes without have to go hand-in-hand with changes within. If you haven't spoken to a mental health professional, I'd do so first. Know up front what you're dealing with. Odds are it's not depression, but a "mid-life crisis" mindset that most of us have mid-40s.
  • missyj1115
    missyj1115 Posts: 1,220 Member
    edited April 2015
    Okay here is my 2cents... I got divorced going on the 5 year mark... The first 2 years were horrible!! I was depressed and laying around all the time. One day I looked at my 5 years old son and said to myself "I can't continue to have my son seeing me this way" I got my *kitten* off the frickin couch and worked so hard at finding that person I once was. I dropped 30lbs using this site, felt a ton better and not to mention felt good my ex was noticing too (for pure selfish reasons I swear) ;) Anyway It will not help you with all your issues but it will improve a majority of them.

    I have let myself slack over this past year and can honestly feel the lack of energy and feel tired ALL the time. So starting yesterday I got back on that horse! It is truly amazing what a good workout can do for yourself. I sweat damn good for 45 mins last night even though it was a struggle to get moving afterwards I had so much energy just after that 1 workout!

    Get your son involved too!!! It shouldn't be a burden to him but teaching him about a healthy lifestyle. My son saw me exercising again last night and he said "can I be your personal trainer mom" I was so excited he wanted to help me and be involved. I also have another person to be accountable to, and to show what a healthy active lifestyle is!! Get outside and be active with your kids, exercise can be fun for the whole family! Of course in the beginning it will be hard and a struggle to get up and out. You will be out of breath, your body will hurt and you will want to sit down and quite but DON'T those feelings are feelings of your body changing. Soon it will adapt and you will need to push harder and when that time comes embrace it, embrace the changes and hard work you put in!

    Take this time to focus on YOU, do things for YOU not anyone else. Once you are truly happy with yourself you will then find that person. I didn't date for 3 years, yes it's lonely and sad at times but I am so happy I waited. I found myself and know what I now want and need in a relationship and won't settle for anything less and you shouldn't either.

    Good luck to you, it is a long road but coming from experience SOOOOO Worth every step!!
  • RBrigzy
    RBrigzy Posts: 152 Member
    The answer is Yes. Fortunately, losing weight can help with both. Unlike most of the things that i expect you are miserable about, losing weight is entirely in your control. Gifting yourself an accomplishment is pleasurable. Having clothes that fit is pleasurable. It won't make all of your other problems go away, but it's a lot of bang for your buck.

    I understand what you some of you are saying - talk to a professional - but the last time I did that - some 10 years ago he put me on some god awful medication called "Serocat" which caused horrendous side effects - so I have to self medicate my way out out of this.

    I like the quote above - probably because it is saying what I want to hear, and it is what I want to believe. So for now I will go with it - and who knows where it will take me - that is if I do actually manage to loose any weight.

    Actually just reading about your thoughts and ideas on here has helped me a great deal - so I want to say thanks to you all.

    My teenage son - well I don't want to burden him cause he too has suffered with his own depression - his mum passed away about 6 years ago.

    I am just gonna walk and walk - at least two hours a day - and see what happens.
  • RBrigzy
    RBrigzy Posts: 152 Member
    What a fabulously inspiring post - thank you millions.
    missyj1115 wrote: »
    Get your son involved too!!!

    Thats a excellent idea too - he needs a kick up the *kitten* as well - I will see if I can get him down to the local gym.
  • jkwolly
    jkwolly Posts: 3,049 Member
    RBrigzy wrote: »
    The answer is Yes. Fortunately, losing weight can help with both. Unlike most of the things that i expect you are miserable about, losing weight is entirely in your control. Gifting yourself an accomplishment is pleasurable. Having clothes that fit is pleasurable. It won't make all of your other problems go away, but it's a lot of bang for your buck.

    I understand what you some of you are saying - talk to a professional - but the last time I did that - some 10 years ago he put me on some god awful medication called "Serocat" which caused horrendous side effects - so I have to self medicate my way out out of this.

    I like the quote above - probably because it is saying what I want to hear, and it is what I want to believe. So for now I will go with it - and who knows where it will take me - that is if I do actually manage to loose any weight.

    Actually just reading about your thoughts and ideas on here has helped me a great deal - so I want to say thanks to you all.

    My teenage son - well I don't want to burden him cause he too has suffered with his own depression - his mum passed away about 6 years ago.

    I am just gonna walk and walk - at least two hours a day - and see what happens.

    Talking to someone =/= meds
  • ninerbuff
    ninerbuff Posts: 48,989 Member
    edited April 2015
    One thing I notice when I deal with clients going through depression is they lack a passion and a goal. When going through the day to day doldrums of every day life for a long time, while watching your relationship fade (not because you want it to), it's easy to ask yourself "this is all there is?" So I actually got more involved doing things I truly enjoyed, like going to Comic Con, hitting more amusement parks, and going on cruises.
    I'm considering taking up BJJ again, just because it's an internally competitive MA and also because I really enjoyed it so much due to the strategy (having to think 2-4 moves ahead like chess). The only issue for me is time (not that I can't do it, but the availability of when gyms are open that don't conflict with my work schedule). I'm sure when my DD is a little older, I'll have much more time.

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  • missyj1115
    missyj1115 Posts: 1,220 Member
    RBrigzy wrote: »
    What a fabulously inspiring post - thank you millions.
    missyj1115 wrote: »
    Get your son involved too!!!

    Thats a excellent idea too - he needs a kick up the *kitten* as well - I will see if I can get him down to the local gym.

    Absolutely!!! Great bonding time for the both of you <3 I am sorry about the loss of his mother I couldn't imagine :'( This could be beneficial to the both of you in so many ways! Use this time together to talk about things, try to get him to open up and show him it is alright to feel the way he is feeling. Even if it is just going on a walk with him and you talk about nothing, just being together and showing that you care will help him immensely!
  • tomnev1
    tomnev1 Posts: 184 Member
    My only advice is to set modest goals. It may seem like a lack of ambition now, but trust me when I say it was the best thing I ever did. Don't walk for two hours. Walk for 30 mins instead for three to four times a week. If you walk for two hours it will rain, you'll be bored, your ankle will give you trouble, your iPhone will run out of battery etc...in short you'll make it easy to find an excuse not to do it again. Remember that you can do it. There's a million platitudes out there and you might dismiss them all, but deep down you know you can do it. Not sure what you work at, but I'm sure you've heard the term SMART objectives. Specific, Measureable, Achievable, Realistic and Timely.
    Reward yourself and your kids. If there's a fun park or zip wire park near you, go and do it. You don't need to be particularly fit to do it. Or even watch X-Factor if that's your thing.
  • try2again
    try2again Posts: 3,562 Member
    Enjoyed this discussion, as I've had this question too (fat vs depression.) I know it frustrates me at times because I just want to stop the world and focus on one problem, but that just doesn't seem to be the way it works- everything is interconnected. On the plus side, though, the benefits are interconnected- a little progress in one area seems to help all. Agree with the other posters, though, that the weight loss might be the simplest thing to deal with (never thought I'd say those words!)
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    Take anti-depressant and enjoy back your life.
  • kjablinskey
    kjablinskey Posts: 47 Member
    edited April 2015
    try2again wrote: »
    I just want to stop the world and focus on one problem, but that just doesn't seem to be the way it works- everything is interconnected. On the plus side, though, the benefits are interconnected- a little progress in one area seems to help all.

    ^^ This is another gem of wisdom, I always thought about the negatives being a web of interconnections but was missing the positive side!!

    Thanks for pointing this out!!

    Also, tomnev1 is right about setting modest goals. Set them low enough to achieve success, if you exceed them it's all the more inspiration for you to continue. At least it was for me. Setting my weight loss at .5 lbs per week and losing MORE than that was great motivation.
  • try2again
    try2again Posts: 3,562 Member
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    Also, tomnev1 is right about setting modest goals. Set them low enough to achieve success, if you exceed them it's all the more inspiration for you to continue. At least it was for me. Setting my weight loss at .5 lbs per week and losing MORE than that was great motivation.
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    A friend once told me, keep your expectations low and you'll never be disappointed ;)
  • Sandcastles61
    Sandcastles61 Posts: 506 Member
    I know my oldest son would have been thrilled to spend some one on one time with his dad :) If he balks at walking with you, maybe swimming would give you a good chance to be together doing a non impact exercise without making him feel like he's being forced into a talk every day because it is kinda hard to carry on a conversation under water lol .... Or take up golf or frisbee golf, bowling actually gives you a good calorie burn.... Maybe you could take a healthy cooking class together because he will be going to college or moving out in the relatively near future but it would also help you both with weight loss and nutrition and get you out of the house :)

    Or, we have something here called MeetUps..... It is different groups of people who form groups up to do just about anything imaginable.... Walking, hiking, listening to certain types of music, eating out, dancing, wine, books, playing cards...... Whatever your interests are. There are couples and singles alike and all the ones we have been to have just been a ton of fun! Sometimes just changing things up and having something to look forward to and perhaps you could do together would help with the feelings of depression and move you toward the weight loss. :) Best wishes
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