Hello I am a sugar addict.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »
Okay, how about answering for the selective cutting and pasting you did in this one? You know, where you butchered the content of the article to make it fit what you wanted it to say?
I didn't 'butcher' anything; I posted the relevant section of the article (without amendment). Mr M's claim was that, and I quote: "sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations". The section I posted pointed out that it is associated.
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mrspater14 wrote: »I just ended up getting Herbalife cookies and crème shakes, friggin nailed that on the head. tastes like im drinking cake batter which makes my inner fat kid happy.
And it has sugar....
So you curbed your sugar cravings with sugar....makes complete sense and I would imagine that would work...0 -
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
Okay, how about answering for the selective cutting and pasting you did in this one? You know, where you butchered the content of the article to make it fit what you wanted it to say?
I didn't 'butcher' anything; I posted the relevant section of the article (without amendment). Mr M's claim was that, and I quote: "sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations". The section I posted pointed out that it is associated.
Do you understand why they singled out soda? Because that's something that people can easily consume too much of and take in too many calories. It's "linked" meaning, this is an item we have found that many people who develop diabetes have overindulged in. It's not saying the sugar in the soda caused the diabetes, otherwise they would have advised us to cut out all sugar to avoid diabetes. It's an important distinction.
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bulk_n_cut wrote: »you may become an insulin addict later in life if you keep it up, so think about that and stop eating sugar?
Did you know diabetes is not caused by sugar, but that diabetics must have limited sugar because their bodies do not properly metabolize carbs?
not going to make any comments on this till i read some more, i seem to have knowledge holes that need patching0 -
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
Okay, how about answering for the selective cutting and pasting you did in this one? You know, where you butchered the content of the article to make it fit what you wanted it to say?
I didn't 'butcher' anything; I posted the relevant section of the article (without amendment). Mr M's claim was that, and I quote: "sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations". The section I posted pointed out that it is associated.
Do you understand why they singled out soda? Because that's something that people can easily consume too much of and take in too many calories. It's "linked" meaning, this is an item we have found that many people who develop diabetes have overindulged in. It's not saying the sugar in the soda caused the diabetes, otherwise they would have advised us to cut out all sugar to avoid diabetes. It's an important distinction.
She obviously has no idea what linked means when used in science so maybe it was just a simple mistake?0 -
Try to make a sweet fruit-protein combo of some type. Like banana/apple and nut butter, pork with pineapple, etc. Not the greatest calorie wise but it takes the edge off and has some use vs a simple cake doesn't have as much to offer.
For me it also helps to have limited amounts of sugar around the house else in a moment of weakness they'll disappear into my stomach. If I have one piece of cake that's it I won't be eating the rest of it too.0 -
Do you understand why they singled out soda? Because that's something that people can easily consume too much of and take in too many calories. It's "linked" meaning, this is an item we have found that many people who develop diabetes have overindulged in. It's not saying the sugar in the soda caused the diabetes, otherwise they would have advised us to cut out all sugar to avoid diabetes. It's an important distinction.
The point in dispute isn't whether sugar CAUSES diabetes. It's whether sugar is ASSOCIATED with the development of diabetes.
[Edit] Oh hang on, I've read it again. So you're saying that they're recommending people avoid sugary drinks, not because the drinks have sugar in them, but simply because they have a lot of calories. Ok if that's what they mean I take your point.0 -
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Do you understand why they singled out soda? Because that's something that people can easily consume too much of and take in too many calories. It's "linked" meaning, this is an item we have found that many people who develop diabetes have overindulged in. It's not saying the sugar in the soda caused the diabetes, otherwise they would have advised us to cut out all sugar to avoid diabetes. It's an important distinction.
The point in dispute isn't whether sugar CAUSES diabetes. It's whether sugar is ASSOCIATED with the development of diabetes.
And it's not. Even using your link, only sugary drinks are linked. So all other sugar is okay? Do I have it right now?
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I love these threads because I imagine that the OP is like 'bet no one has ever posted this topic before.'
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Why is every sugar thread hijacked with old arguments? Obviously no one will win and only the OP, who was only seeking advice, loses.
Yes, that's true. For the record, I agree to disagree with Mr M and Mrs Peach about the relative nutritional merits of candy bars. Now let's leave that one there.
Back to the OP's question, I too am a sugar addict and am transitioning to a low-carb, high fat diet, as many other addicts testify this is the cure.
Hi fat? Your diary says otherwise.
You also eat an awful lot of fruit for a sugar addict.
FTR, I didn't agree to disagree with you. You never answered any direct questions and it's obvious that you don't have answers for them.
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You might need to abstain from eating refined sugar if you have a sugar addiction. In spite of what some people say, foods are just another substance that can trigger addiction in some people. In those cases, moderation doesn't work in the same way it doesn't work for alcoholics or drug addicts.0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »The point in dispute isn't whether sugar CAUSES diabetes. It's whether sugar is ASSOCIATED with the development of diabetes.
Just chiming in because I friggin love this thread.
"Associated with the development" and "linked to" are two very different statements. Nowhere in that article you quoted does it say that sugar is linked to the development of diabetes. There is no statement regarding exactly where the intersection between diabetes and sugar occurs. They do say to limit intake to prevent diabetes, but only after acknowledging that they don't actually know the link.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Right, because you have determined that my statement that "sugar wasn't the cause of diabetes" was false and you proved that by posting a link titled "Diabetes Myths" and one of the myths in the link that diabetes.org states is a myth was "Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes". But you decided the myth they were saying existed was not relevant and you selected just the information you felt backed up your stance. Do I have that type out properly? That's what happened right?
Lol pathetic.
I'm well aware that sugar isn't the cause of diabetes, or at least that that isn't known definitively. Your statement actually was:I pointed out to you that sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations
And my reply was
"Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes." [etc]
Are you saying that 'linked' and 'associated' don't mean the same thing?
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I can only sympathize with OP as I sit here eating my Reese' Fast Break candy bar. I don't think I'm addicted to sugar, but I'm pretty sure that I would be really hungry all the time without it. Most days even when I stay under my calorie goal, I go WAY over the sugar goal. At this point I'm focusing on calories and not worried about sugar, but for awhile I was sure it was impossible for anyone to stay under the recommended sugar allotment. Imagine my surprise when I viewed a few people's diaries and found that many people get less than the recommended amount of sugar all the time! I just don't like the same food that they do, so I keep looking for healthy food that I like that is low in sugar (and working on giving up soda). But as I said, my main focus is losing weight, so as long as I stay under my calorie goal I don't worry about the sugar content. I sure wish I didn't like sugar (especially chocolate) so much though!0
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Anyone have any tips?
Sugar can have a very addicting quality to it. Sometimes going cold turkey on sweet things (sugary drinks, candy, ice cream, etc.) can be helpful. Not forever, just for a few weeks to let your taste buds adjust. You may then find that you don't need as much to be satisfied.
Also, eating sugary things that also have fiber or protein can be helpful since these slow digestion and can help you feel full longer.
It will take willpower and may not be easy, but you can do it.
People always say this about fiber and protein and I just don't get it. Do you assume that people are eating spoonfuls of sugar? My m&ms have sugar, fiber and protein. What are these foods that are 100% sugar/carbs with no other macros?
Most of the sweet things I eat have fat in them (as I've posted before, I find it weird that people always blame sugar when my cookie recipe has a lot more calories from butter and also from flour than sugar). Thus, what you say is right--to the extent speed of digestion matters, the fat slows it down.
The boom and bust cycle (or whatever one wants to call it) was much more of an issue for me with bagels, and mostly because I ate them plain.0 -
PaulaWallaDingDong wrote: ».
"Associated with the development" and "linked to" are two very different statements. Nowhere in that article you quoted does it say that sugar is linked to the development of diabetes. There is no statement regarding exactly where the intersection between diabetes and sugar occurs. They do say to limit intake to prevent diabetes, but only after acknowledging that they don't actually know the link.
Yes, I was taking 'associated with' and 'linked to' to mean the same thing. At least they do in my thesaurus. If I'm wrong then I hold my hands up.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Anyone have any tips?
Sugar can have a very addicting quality to it. Sometimes going cold turkey on sweet things (sugary drinks, candy, ice cream, etc.) can be helpful. Not forever, just for a few weeks to let your taste buds adjust. You may then find that you don't need as much to be satisfied.
Also, eating sugary things that also have fiber or protein can be helpful since these slow digestion and can help you feel full longer.
It will take willpower and may not be easy, but you can do it.
People always say this about fiber and protein and I just don't get it. Do you assume that people are eating spoonfuls of sugar? My m&ms have sugar, fiber and protein. What are these foods that are 100% sugar/carbs with no other macros?
I would imagine syrup and honey don't have much, but I never 0%. But if you think a typical sugar cookie is as filling as a whole grain oatmeal walnut cookie, then I would have to say we are very different.
The OP asked for suggestions. I gave suggestions.
I never said or implied they were as filling, or as nutritionally sound. Only that most foods often contain more than one macro.
They do. To varying degrees. More fiber or more protein often = more satiating.
Agreed.
And you and I offered the OP similar advice.
I would like to just introduce the idea, though, that you can't look at the food in isolation though.
I don't know anyone who's going to drink a cup of tea with honey in it and call it a day... unless they're not feeling well.
I also don't really know anyone who counts on fruit to fill them up. Fruit and peanut butter? Sure.
Then again, I don't really snack, so maybe I lack perspective here. I eat my fruit with either cottage cheese or yogurt.
If I understand you correctly, I don't think I totally agree. If someone calls themselves a sugar addict they are usually describing a seemingly uncontrollable urge to binge eat sweets. Not fruit, despite the fact that it may have just as much sugar. All semantics and inappropriate use of medical terms aside, I think if this is the case then it does matter what the individual food contains. Everyone doesn't have success with "just eat one piece" when it comes to cake or candy or chocolate. It's often the blood sugar rush and crash. In which case eating protein and/or fiber may help as it will lessen the vicious circle of rush/crash/crave.
And in some cases abstinence really is needed. At least for a while. Just don't have it on hand.
Umm... you're talking about two different things here.
The first I'll get out of the way is that I agree with you that a period of abstinence is sometimes needed. I gave the OP advice to do just that.
When I was talking about food in isolation, I wasn't talking about the OP, but rather the effect on satiation if you're not eating a sweet in a vacuum. Jam on toast with your eggs type of things. A scoop of ice cream after a salmon dinner.
In other words, satiation isn't an issue unless you're eating the food by itself.
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Not sold on sugar addiction, but I think these forums might be addicted to threads about sugar addiction.0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
Right, because you have determined that my statement that "sugar wasn't the cause of diabetes" was false and you proved that by posting a link titled "Diabetes Myths" and one of the myths in the link that diabetes.org states is a myth was "Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes". But you decided the myth they were saying existed was not relevant and you selected just the information you felt backed up your stance. Do I have that type out properly? That's what happened right?
Lol pathetic.
I'm well aware that sugar isn't the cause of diabetes, or at least that that isn't known definitively. Your statement actually was:I pointed out to you that sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations
And my reply was
"Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes." [etc]
Are you saying that 'linked' and 'associated' don't mean the same thing?
Every carbohydrate you eat is metabolized into sugar by your body. If you eat more sugar than your body can process for an extended period of time, which generally only happens if you're in a caloric surplus, you are at risk for diabetes.
That's why most people who develop type 2 diabetes are overweight or obese.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »
you are CICO15 and petty kitty and a bunch of other users….amusing..0 -
OP - lack of self control does not equal addiction …
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »If I understand you correctly, I don't think I totally agree. If someone calls themselves a sugar addict they are usually describing a seemingly uncontrollable urge to binge eat sweets.
That's the question, and why terminology like "sugar addict" isn't especially helpful.
I can't tell from that what the OP's issue is.
Like you, I tend to assume it's really with sweets (probably sweets that also have lots of fat), and not fruit or straight sugar, but who knows. Could be sweetened coffee.
Unlike you, I don't assume it's about binge eating, but simply overeating or feeling like she ends up eating more than intended or overeating or perhaps swears off it and then finds herself eating it again and frustrated with her lack of will power.
Thus, to properly give advice, I'd need to know more details.
OP, I can say that when I decided to reduce my calories, one issue I had was emotional and stress eating, and for me that often (not solely) related to eating sweets for the comfort and pleasure they gave me. As a result, I wouldn't want to stop eating them (I did not binge, but overate--those are different), I'd eat them when not actually hungry, and in times and situations that I was used to eating them I'd feel like I had to have them.
One thing that was helpful for me--although people are different--was to cut out the sweets for a few weeks to teach myself I did not need them for the purposes I'd been using them AND, even more important, to cut out snacking in general/eating outside of planned meal times (which can be more than 3). That cut down on my desire to misuse food, or at least the opportunity to do so.
How I did this was having alternative things to munch on available at the very beginning (raw veggies only), making my meals really filling and enjoyable, with plenty of protein and fat, and being really motivated and being willing to think through and journal about the underlying reasons why I wanted so badly to eat at the times in question when the feelings hit.0 -
Yup, a couple hours ago when I glanced at her diary I sat intakes off 13, 21, 24 and so on. No very high fat if you ask me.mamapeach910 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Why is every sugar thread hijacked with old arguments? Obviously no one will win and only the OP, who was only seeking advice, loses.
Yes, that's true. For the record, I agree to disagree with Mr M and Mrs Peach about the relative nutritional merits of candy bars. Now let's leave that one there.
Back to the OP's question, I too am a sugar addict and am transitioning to a low-carb, high fat diet, as many other addicts testify this is the cure.
Hi fat? Your diary says otherwise.
You also eat an awful lot of fruit for a sugar addict.
FTR, I didn't agree to disagree with you. You never answered any direct questions and it's obvious that you don't have answers for them.
I'm in transition... just worked out the right macros yesterday. And working my way through all the remaining low-fat stuff in the house, as I can't bring myself to throw food away.
And my fruit intake now is drastically reduced. I used to be a six-apples-a-day person. Addicted. Yes.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
Okay, how about answering for the selective cutting and pasting you did in this one? You know, where you butchered the content of the article to make it fit what you wanted it to say?
I didn't 'butcher' anything; I posted the relevant section of the article (without amendment). Mr M's claim was that, and I quote: "sugar isn't even associated with the development of DM, even from the major diabetes organizations". The section I posted pointed out that it is associated.
Here's what you posted:Just for the record...
"Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes.
The American Diabetes Association recommends that people should avoid intake of sugar-sweetened beverages to help prevent diabetes. Sugar-sweetened beverages include beverages like:
regular soda
fruit punch
fruit drinks
energy drinks
sports drinks
sweet tea
other sugary drinks."
Here's the whole bit from the article.Myth: Eating too much sugar causes diabetes.
Fact: The answer is not so simple. Type 1 diabetes is caused by genetics and unknown factors that trigger the onset of the disease; type 2 diabetes is caused by genetics and lifestyle factors.
Being overweight does increase your risk for developing type 2 diabetes, and a diet high in calories from any source contributes to weight gain. Research has shown that drinking sugary drinks is linked to type 2 diabetes.
The American Diabetes Association recommends that people should avoid intake of sugar-sweetened beverages to help prevent diabetes. Sugar-sweetened beverages include beverages like:
regular soda
fruit punch
fruit drinks
energy drinks
sports drinks
sweet tea
other sugary drinks.
These will raise blood glucose and can provide several hundred calories in just one serving!
See for yourself:
Just one 12-ounce can of regular soda has about 150 calories and 40 grams of carbohydrate. This is the same amount of carbohydrate in 10 teaspoons of sugar!
One cup of fruit punch and other sugary fruit drinks have about 100 calories (or more) and 30 grams of carbohydrate.
- See more at: http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/#sthash.CfqG8byY.MYjSmNfl.dpuf
So, do you want to try again? And not make things up this time?
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