20lbs is 4weeks!!!
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Her chances of avoiding binging are entirely dependent upon her enthusiasm, dedication, and the strength of her resolve. I am not ashamed of people who have such personal qualities. Following the advice of her physician and nutritionist she can certainly avoid any and all negative repercussions. I am not ashamed of giving her false hope. I do not recommend false hope.
Yeah and the chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Well, of course, she must avoid binging.
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is, but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way. The more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
Right. That's about a 2300 calories deficit A DAY. And, on top of that, she needs to have the energy required to "focus on fitness." Sorry, no way this is happening in a healthy way no matter how focused she is at the gym or in the kitchen. It's a very aggressive plan that will lead to bingeing in most people.
I agree with wolfman. You should be ashamed of yourself for giving false hope that this can actually happen without negative repercussions. ESPECIALLY since she only has 25 pounds to lose.
Do you really think this 23 year old girl who wants to lose 20 lbs before a wedding so she can rock a bikini is going to do this under doctor's guidance? I mean seriously. Let's be realistic here. You think she went to her doctor, and a nutritionist, and told them this same story?
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Because she will need a good plan that she can sustain long-term. Plenty of strenuous exercise. Plenty of rest. The necessary amount of nutritious food to sustain the exercise.brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
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Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
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You might not reach your goal, but how bad can it be to focus your energy and effort to go as far as you can? Listen to your body. Eat when you need to . STOP exercising if your body says so and good luck. You can do anything fora month.0
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Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
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kristen6350 wrote: »Sorry, but you should have started months ago. But worse off, you are just setting yourself up for disappointment. In 1 month you can reasonable get off another 5lbs. No amount of support or motivation is going to help.
Exactly this. If you starve for a month you might lose 10.
I've done that.
I don't think 20 is possible though.0 -
Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
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peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
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losing weight too fast is not good. As much as we all would love to lose 20lbs in a month, slow and steady is best. I get so impatient sometimes my self because the scale is not budging,then I look back at when I was 210 and now see 200-202 and say wow at least I lost something, and something is better then nothing.0
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You could probably lose 10-12 pounds between now and then. Add getting some sun in with losing weight and you'd LOOK 20 pounds lighter. (That's assuming that tans actually make you look smaller. Never tested the stories, though)
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It is not contradictory. She needs enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs. She does not need enough calories to sustain her current weight.PikaKnight wrote: »
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
If she's aiming for a 5lb/week loss, then telling her to go ahead and do this while touting things like nutrition, eating enough and aiming for more fat than muscle loss is contradictory.
So basically, you're kind of a hypocrite for calling other people naysayers when your advice, ultimately, mirrors theirs as well.
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What? Her goal is to loose 20 pounds. How is that death march?
Did you read anywhere in my comment I said "loose 20 pounds in x days"?
Are you quoting me for the heck of it or are you trolling?
EDTA: And taking my comment; snipping it to work in your favor so as to make it look like a conspiracy will be reported for moderation. I have zero tolerance for messing with my comments to fit them as anyone would feel them needed.
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I think you're inferring a lot of intention and meaning that isn't there.
Her "journey", as she described it, involves losing 20lbs in 4 weeks. On of the common-use definitions for "death march", is "a project where the members feel it is destined to fail, or requires a stretch of unsustainable overwork." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(project_management)
I have no idea where you're getting anything about a conspiracy.
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Depends on whether her goal is some type of ideal or minimal weight for her or if it is simply a goal or milestone. I don't think I told her she can do it because I did. She can only do it because of what she will do.MireyGal76 wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding. She and her doctor are responsible for her health, and this was done by me in a healthy way in the opinion of me and my doctor.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
If you look at her profile and her pic, she has 25 lbs to go. She wants to lose 20 of that in 4 weeks. She is close to goal weight. The hardest weight to lose are those "last ten pounds". So... yes, you may have been able to do it, but you are not her. You aren't even the same gender.
Telling her that she can make it, because you did, is simply ridiculous. You have NONE of the same variables!
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Everyone seems to agree so far that 20 lbs in one month is a bit sketchy. But that doesn't mean you can't lose a few pounds which might help you feel more confident in that swimsuit. Google "so you only lost a pound". You can see visually what one pound of fat looks like. That being said, maybe, just maybe 4-5 little pounds lost in one month will have a bigger impact than you expect. The main thing is that if you did somehow manage to lose 20 pounds in that time frame, you are going to end up looking and feeling pretty awful. I know it's not what you want to hear but I urge you to listen to the veterans on here. Do it the right way, shoot for a more realistic goal and delight in the fact that 4-5 pounds of weight loss will definitely make a difference in how you look and feel but in a positive way. Calorie goal with a REALISTIC deficit and exercise, exercise, exercise! Good luck, dear.
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she wants to lose 20 pounds
20pounds * 3500 cals (amt of cals in a pound) = 70,000
29 days (May 16 - today)
She would need a deficit of 70,000/29=2413.7931 cals per day
Assuming she stays at 1200 cals, then she would need to burn, on average 1200 calories a day and NOT eat them back. And if that were the case, she would be essentially netting zero.
Is my math wrong?
If it is, please tell me what I'm messing up.
If it isn't, then PLEASE tell me, @robertus, how that is safe for a 25 year old woman with only 25 extra pounds on her frame to be HEALTHY and survive on that kind of deficit for a whole freaking month.
Perhaps you should also read up on the affects of insanely low calorie intake as it relates to women and their reproductive systems. How it can fvck up menstruation, hormone levels, bone density.
Seriously, back away from the OP, and get the hell off her friend's list. She doesn't need your "support".
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I never said any such thing! Please do not misrepresent what I said. She has the motivation. This is her plan. If she can sustain her motivation to do what is necessary in a healthy way, it will be a testament to her enthusiasm, dedication, and the strength of her resolve. Other people have their own plans and are responsible for dedicating themselves appropriately and in accord with their wishes.
Her chances of avoiding binging are entirely dependent upon her enthusiasm, dedication, and the strength of her resolve. I am not ashamed of people who have such personal qualities. Following the advice of her physician and nutritionist she can certainly avoid any and all negative repercussions. I am not ashamed of giving her false hope. I do not recommend false hope.
Yeah and the chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Well, of course, she must avoid binging.
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is, but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way. The more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
Right. That's about a 2300 calories deficit A DAY. And, on top of that, she needs to have the energy required to "focus on fitness." Sorry, no way this is happening in a healthy way no matter how focused she is at the gym or in the kitchen. It's a very aggressive plan that will lead to bingeing in most people.
I agree with wolfman. You should be ashamed of yourself for giving false hope that this can actually happen without negative repercussions. ESPECIALLY since she only has 25 pounds to lose.
So, now you are saying that someone who can't adhere to this crazy plan isn't enthusiastic or dedicated? Enthusiasm and dedication only go so far when you are STARVING.
But, hey, keep defending yourself. You're just digging a deeper hole.
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It is not contradictory. She needs enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs. She does not need enough calories to sustain her current weight.PikaKnight wrote: »
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
If she's aiming for a 5lb/week loss, then telling her to go ahead and do this while touting things like nutrition, eating enough and aiming for more fat than muscle loss is contradictory.
So basically, you're kind of a hypocrite for calling other people naysayers when your advice, ultimately, mirrors theirs as well.
Could you please break that down in calories? What is enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs but not her current weight?
As others have said, she would need a 2300 calorie deficit per day to lose 20 pounds in 4 weeks. A 150-pound 5’7” 23-year old woman would burn about 2400 calories per day, with exercising 5 times a week (according to IIFYM TDEE calculator). How exactly do you propose this 2300 calorie deficit be achieved? Is 100 calories of food per day enough nutrition? I’m just confused. I think you mean well, but consider for a second what you’re saying - it’s just not feasible.
OP, listen to the excellent advice to revise your goal and focus on the long run. You’re a beautiful lady and you don’t need to be 20 lbs lighter to look great at this wedding. Get healthier for yourself and for the long run. You can absolutely do it if you set a goal that’s sustainable and you stick to it.0 -
What? Her goal is to loose 20 pounds. How is that death march?
Did you read anywhere in my comment I said "loose 20 pounds in x days"?
Are you quoting me for the heck of it or are you trolling?
EDTA: And taking my comment; snipping it to work in your favor so as to make it look like a conspiracy will be reported for moderation. I have zero tolerance for messing with my comments to fit them as anyone would feel them needed.
...?
I think you're inferring a lot of intention and meaning that isn't there.
Her "journey", as she described it, involves losing 20lbs in 4 weeks. On of the common-use definitions for "death march", is "a project where the members feel it is destined to fail, or requires a stretch of unsustainable overwork." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(project_management)
I have no idea where you're getting anything about a conspiracy.
I don't care what Dr Wiki says about anything ...
The question is you had absolute no need to snip my entire post and take one sentence out of it and quote me to fit your views.
Unless are in mood to start a conspiracy or conversing for the heck of it.
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Why not just answer my question and we can have serious discussion about what is and what is not safe and why.peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
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MireyGal76 wrote: »she wants to lose 20 pounds
20pounds * 3500 cals (amt of cals in a pound) = 70,000
29 days (May 16 - today)
She would need a deficit of 70,000/29=2413.7931 cals per day
Assuming she stays at 1200 cals, then she would need to burn, on average 1200 calories a day and NOT eat them back. And if that were the case, she would be essentially netting zero.
Is my math wrong?
If it is, please tell me what I'm messing up.
If it isn't, then PLEASE tell me, @robertus, how that is safe for a 25 year old woman with only 25 extra pounds on her frame to be HEALTHY and survive on that kind of deficit for a whole freaking month.
Perhaps you should also read up on the affects of insanely low calorie intake as it relates to women and their reproductive systems. How it can fvck up menstruation, hormone levels, bone density.
Seriously, back away from the OP, and get the hell off her friend's list. She doesn't need your "support".
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Why not just answer my question and we can have serious discussion about what is and what is not safe and why.peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
Correct if I'm wrong, but:
You said she's got to eat enough to give her sufficient nutrients. Let's say that's 1,200 a day. @MireyGal76 calculated that she needs a deficit of about 2,400 a day. So you're saying that she somehow needs to exercise enough to burn off an extra 2,400 calories a day? How on Earth is anyone meant to manage that while still living a normal life? And how do you think that eating 1,200 calories a day will give her enough energy to do this?0 -
This is why I recommend that she work with a nutritionist. I can't break it down in detail for her. In general, I will say that if her work-outs are directed toward increasing fitness and not merely burning a maximum amount of calories for weight loss, enough nutrition and enough rest are achieved when her work-outs are able to increase in intensity, ie, longer distances, better times, increased strength to lift heavier weights.
It is not contradictory. She needs enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs. She does not need enough calories to sustain her current weight.PikaKnight wrote: »
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
If she's aiming for a 5lb/week loss, then telling her to go ahead and do this while touting things like nutrition, eating enough and aiming for more fat than muscle loss is contradictory.
So basically, you're kind of a hypocrite for calling other people naysayers when your advice, ultimately, mirrors theirs as well.
Could you please break that down in calories? What is enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs but not her current weight?
Is she 5'7" and 150 lbs? I did not see that yet. Her physician and nutritionist can better evaluate how much stored fat she has and what her nutritional needs are.As others have said, she would need a 2300 calorie deficit per day to lose 20 pounds in 4 weeks. A 150-pound 5’7” 23-year old woman would burn about 2400 calories per day, with exercising 5 times a week (according to IIFYM TDEE calculator). How exactly do you propose this 2300 calorie deficit be achieved? Is 100 calories of food per day enough nutrition? I’m just confused. I think you mean well, but consider for a second what you’re saying - it’s just not feasible.
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Personally, I'd make sure my clothes fit (or wear spanx under my dress), and then drink the whole weekend, including on the beach. Then I wouldn't care whether I was "fat" or not.
Not necessarily healthy... but I'd have fun!0 -
Why not just answer my question and we can have serious discussion about what is and what is not safe and why.peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Why do you think that this deficit is necessarily unsafe?peachyfuzzle wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
We know her goal is to lose 20 lbs. We don't know that she is only 20 lbs overweight. I am not ashamed of myself and I did not tell her it is a good idea. In fact, I recommended that she make sure to make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.cwolfman13 wrote: »
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is--the more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course--but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
I have a feeling that the OP is maybe about 20 Lbs overweight and she thinks she's going to lose all of that in 4 weeks. I can't believe that you're actually irresponsible enough to tell her this is actually a good idea. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Why after the wedding rather than starting NOW?
How do you propose she safely create the necessary deficit to lose that much weight in such a short period of time?
There is no way for her to safely create the necessary deficit.
Because there is no serious discussion to be had, and I refuse to allow you to bring me down to your level of idiocy.0 -
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I never said any such thing! Please do not misrepresent what I said. She has the motivation. This is her plan. If she can sustain her motivation to do what is necessary in a healthy way, it will be a testament to her enthusiasm, dedication, and the strength of her resolve. Other people have their own plans and are responsible for dedicating themselves appropriately and in accord with their wishes.
Her chances of avoiding binging are entirely dependent upon her enthusiasm, dedication, and the strength of her resolve. I am not ashamed of people who have such personal qualities. Following the advice of her physician and nutritionist she can certainly avoid any and all negative repercussions. I am not ashamed of giving her false hope. I do not recommend false hope.
Yeah and the chances of that happening are pretty slim.
Well, of course, she must avoid binging.
3,500 calories x 20 lbs = 70,000 calorie deficit that she needs to achieve. I don't know how overweight Claudia is, but if she focuses on health and fitness and lets the dietary and nutrition needs follow those goals, it can be done in a healthy way. The more overweight she is, the easier it will be, of course.
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
Ok, so please explain to all of us "naysayers" how this is going to accomplish a 20lb loss in 4 weeks. I'd be interested to see the calculations you are using to support this.
Here's how I lost 60 lbs in 3 months:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10130043/60-lbs-in-3-months#latest
And I am very healthy, very fit, and my doctor is totally on board with my focus on fitness first.
Right. That's about a 2300 calories deficit A DAY. And, on top of that, she needs to have the energy required to "focus on fitness." Sorry, no way this is happening in a healthy way no matter how focused she is at the gym or in the kitchen. It's a very aggressive plan that will lead to bingeing in most people.
I agree with wolfman. You should be ashamed of yourself for giving false hope that this can actually happen without negative repercussions. ESPECIALLY since she only has 25 pounds to lose.
So, now you are saying that someone who can't adhere to this crazy plan isn't enthusiastic or dedicated? Enthusiasm and dedication only go so far when you are STARVING.
But, hey, keep defending yourself. You're just digging a deeper hole.
I think you are being intentionally obtuse here. It's really a shame. I used to be on a VLCD. My dedication was AWESOME. I was also anorexic.
There's nothing in the OP that implies she's dedicated to anything long term and sustainable. She'd looking for a crash diet. It's not healthy. Period.
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EvgeniZyntx wrote: »Look into Lyle's Protein Sparing Modified Fast - it isn't a fast but a low cal diet. You'll hit the twenty pound loss - expect to feel like crap and expect to regain it afterwards - it isn't a useful strategy for reasonable weight loss but can be successful for an event when you gotta make weight, like a wedding.
The majority of the loss will be water weight. Maybe a third will be fat loss.
For four weeks, it isn't too unhealthy - but you'll have to be careful to get your micro nutrients. Please do not follow it beyond 6 weeks unless medically supervised.
Most likely you'll regain every lb and then some, so it's a bad idea that will work for the short period.
So there - how to do it with all the caveats. And go!
The sad thing is with this advice is the OP will probably ignore everyone who said this is unrealistic and jump at the one person confirming she can do it
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This is why I recommend that she work with a nutritionist. I can't break it down in detail for her. In general, I will say that if her work-outs are directed toward increasing fitness and not merely burning a maximum amount of calories for weight loss, enough nutrition and enough rest are achieved when her work-outs are able to increase in intensity, ie, longer distances, better times, increased strength to life heavier weights.
It is not contradictory. She needs enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs. She does not need enough calories to sustain her current weight.PikaKnight wrote: »
Don't listen to all the naysayers, just make sure you eat enough nutritious food to support intense work-outs and get plenty of rest after said intense work-outs, which should be a mix of cardio (eg, swimming, running) and strength-training (free weights or weight machines), the latter being very important to lose more fat and less muscle. Have fun! And make sure you make and stick to a more reasonable fitness and eating plan after the wedding.claudiamejia2 wrote: »Hi everyone,
I'm sure all you think this is a crazy plan ...
If she's aiming for a 5lb/week loss, then telling her to go ahead and do this while touting things like nutrition, eating enough and aiming for more fat than muscle loss is contradictory.
So basically, you're kind of a hypocrite for calling other people naysayers when your advice, ultimately, mirrors theirs as well.
Could you please break that down in calories? What is enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs but not her current weight?
Is she 5'7" and 150 lbs? I did not see that yet. Her physician and nutritionist can better evaluate how much stored fat she has and what her nutritional needs are.As others have said, she would need a 2300 calorie deficit per day to lose 20 pounds in 4 weeks. A 150-pound 5’7” 23-year old woman would burn about 2400 calories per day, with exercising 5 times a week (according to IIFYM TDEE calculator). How exactly do you propose this 2300 calorie deficit be achieved? Is 100 calories of food per day enough nutrition? I’m just confused. I think you mean well, but consider for a second what you’re saying - it’s just not feasible.
I chose those numbers as an upper bound on OPs likely daily burns. Other people did the math from the other direction, and that reaches the exact same conclusion - it does not seem possible (and definitely not a good idea) to maintain that kind of deficit for a month. I was just trying to make you see that, but it does not look like you’re convinced. I just hope the OP sees how unhealthy, dangerous, and pointless it would be to follow your advice.0 -
@robertus... I think the key thing here is that you gave advice to a person that did not fit with their circumstances. You didn't do any type of investigation into her situation (not even a cursory glance into her profile) and instead gave the green-light-thumbs-up "rah rah you can do it" motivational speech.
YOU may have been able to do it. But YOU are not HER. And how YOU achieved your goals is not what is recommended for MOST of the population here. You may have been able to do it, and kudos to you for dropping your weight under the supervision of your doctor, but that does NOT give you the green light to make it seem adviseable for someone else to do so.
Yes you gave the caveat of going to see the doctor and being nutritious, but really? She's not going to do that, and no doctor in their right mind would advocate it either.
Please, be responsible when you hand out your "support". You are the exception, not the rule.
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Looks right to me.MireyGal76 wrote: »she wants to lose 20 pounds
20pounds * 3500 cals (amt of cals in a pound) = 70,000
29 days (May 16 - today)
She would need a deficit of 70,000/29=2413.7931 cals per day
Assuming she stays at 1200 cals, then she would need to burn, on average 1200 calories a day and NOT eat them back. And if that were the case, she would be essentially netting zero.
Is my math wrong?
I don't think we know that she only has 25 extra pounds on her frame. We know what her goal is for the next month, but I do not know what her healthy weight should be. She can determine that with the advice of her physician or perhaps she already has. Depending upon how much stored fat energy she has, how effectively she can obtain ketosis, what kind of supplementation she may need, are all variables that should be discussed with her doctor and nutritionist. I think Claudia can choose her own friends.MireyGal76 wrote: »If it is, please tell me what I'm messing up.
If it isn't, then PLEASE tell me, @robertus, how that is safe for a 25 year old woman with only 25 extra pounds on her frame to be HEALTHY and survive on that kind of deficit for a whole freaking month.
Perhaps you should also read up on the affects of insanely low calorie intake as it relates to women and their reproductive systems. How it can fvck up menstruation, hormone levels, bone density.
Seriously, back away from the OP, and get the hell off her friend's list. She doesn't need your "support".
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