20lbs is 4weeks!!!
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20 lbs. I wish you a lot of luck but I wouldn't worry about the scale as much as how you feel and look. I have lost a few pounds but its all in the photos. I still don't feel like I lost weight but MAcros are definately helping my body become more defined.
I say, like everyone else, get a on a plan you can lose 1 lb a week!0 -
Her physician and nutritionist can better evaluate how much stored fat she has and what her nutritional needs are.
I said this before but you may have missed my question....What on Earth makes you think that a 23 year old looking to shed vanity pounds for her friends wedding so she can rock her bikini and maybe hook up with a groomsman is doing this under the guidance of a physician and/or nutritionist....
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And I refuse to resort to insults so we may not have much to discuss.peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Because there is no serious discussion to be had, and I refuse to allow you to bring me down to your level of idiocy.
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I did not say that she was dedicated to anything long-term and sustainable. Rather I recommended to her that she develop a plan that is more sustainable in the long term. I am sorry to hear about your anorexia. I am not being intentionally obtuse.
I think you are being intentionally obtuse here. It's really a shame. I used to be on a VLCD. My dedication was AWESOME. I was also anorexic.
There's nothing in the OP that implies she's dedicated to anything long term and sustainable. She'd looking for a crash diet. It's not healthy. Period.
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Look at her picture. You can tell just from her face that she is not morbidly obese.
The only way 20lbs in a month COULD be managed, without extreme damage to a body would be for someone who is morbidly obese.
ergo, this goal is not suited for her.
period.
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I don't think we know that she only has 25 extra pounds on her frame. We know what her goal is for the next month, but I do not know what her healthy weight should be. She can determine that with the advice of her physician or perhaps she already has. Depending upon how much stored fat energy she has, how effectively she can obtain ketosis, what kind of supplementation she may need, are all variables that should be discussed with her doctor and nutritionist. I think Claudia can choose her own friends.
Well thats on her ticker as her target weight loss, normally people put their ultimate target as their objective. As you are now on her friends list then just ask her. If she has 25 to lose and wants to lose 80% of that in the next 4 weeks, then thats rather a dramatic loss.
How much of that loss will be fat and how much muscle? Do you know?0 -
I'm just going to leave this here...
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MireyGal76 wrote: »Look at her picture. You can tell just from her face that she is not morbidly obese.
The only way 20lbs in a month COULD be managed, without extreme damage to a body would be for someone who is morbidly obese.
ergo, this goal is not suited for her.
period.
I think at this point he's just arguing because he doesn't want to admit he is wrong.
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My advice is to make her focus on fitness and to get the proper amount of rest and nutrition to support that focus. That advice is good for pretty much everyone's circumstances.MireyGal76 wrote: »@robertus... I think the key thing here is that you gave advice to a person that did not fit with their circumstances.
I did look at her profile and her picture. She did not share much information, but I did not assume that she is 25 lbs above her ideal weight, rather I merely took her at word that she has a goal to lose 20 lbs in a month. I did not tell her she can do it. I have no idea if she can do it. I merely recommended the proper approach on how she should try to do it. She may find that she cannot do this in the manner I suggested. She may try to exercise as much as possible, decreasing rather than increasing her fitness, not getting enough rest and nutrition to build fitness. At that point she may be more open to learning more about health and fitness. Or, maybe she will take my advice and not make those typical mistakes.MireyGal76 wrote: »You didn't do any type of investigation into her situation (not even a cursory glance into her profile) and instead gave the green-light-thumbs-up "rah rah you can do it" motivational speech.
I never said she can do it because I did it. I did not even bring up my (and my doctor's approach) until someone else asked me about calculations, which I had done as part of my story. And, as I said a the time, I don't know how overweight Claudia is, and that the more overweight she is, the easier it will be for her to achieve her goal. But the goal is completely secondary to the importance of her having a focus on health and fitness, and the dietary and nutritional needs must support these goalsMireyGal76 wrote: »YOU may have been able to do it. But YOU are not HER. And how YOU achieved your goals is not what is recommended for MOST of the population here. You may have been able to do it, and kudos to you for dropping your weight under the supervision of your doctor, but that does NOT give you the green light to make it seem adviseable for someone else to do so.
How do you know she is not going to see her doctor?MireyGal76 wrote: »Yes you gave the caveat of going to see the doctor and being nutritious, but really? She's not going to do that, and no doctor in their right mind would advocate it either.
Again, I did not tell her that she could do it because I did it, and I am not all that exceptional. Plenty of people have done what I am doing. Who do you think I learned it from? Focusing on increasing fitness, and getting the proper rest and nutrition to increase one's fitness is not irresponsible advice.MireyGal76 wrote: »Please, be responsible when you hand out your "support". You are the exception, not the rule.0 -
The only thing I am unconvinced about is that we do not know how much stored fat she has. Do you know that she is 5'7" and weighs 150 lbs?
I chose those numbers as an upper bound on OPs likely daily burns. Other people did the math from the other direction, and that reaches the exact same conclusion - it does not seem possible (and definitely not a good idea) to maintain that kind of deficit for a month. I was just trying to make you see that, but it does not look like you’re convinced. I just hope the OP sees how unhealthy, dangerous, and pointless it would be to follow your advice.
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snowflakesav wrote: »Do the best you can. Use the event as motivation for you weight loss journey. Realistically 20 pounds might not be realistic...however you can arrive at the wedding a clothing size smaller looking and feeling terrific. We are here to support you.
Best of luck to you!
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"Don't listen to all the naysayers"
The naysayers said, this is not realistic, don't do it.
You said, don't listen to them, ergo... Go ahead and try it.
There is NO combination of food, rest, and workouts that will get her to a 20 pound loss in 4 weeks time. We've established she needs to maintain a daily 2400 calorie deficit.
You can backpedal all you want. YOU told her to ignore all the people who said it was unhealthy.
All the other caveats you throw in there do nothing to negate that.
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I never said or thought she was morbidly obese, and I do know that overweight or obese people can lose 20 lbs in a healthy way in a month without doing any damage to their body if they go about it the right way, focusing on increasing fitness and proper rest and nutrition. The more overweight you are, the easier it is to do, of course.MireyGal76 wrote: »Look at her picture. You can tell just from her face that she is not morbidly obese.
The only way 20lbs in a month COULD be managed, without extreme damage to a body would be for someone who is morbidly obese.
ergo, this goal is not suited for her.
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I never said or thought she was morbidly obese, but I do know some people can lose 20 lbs in a healthy way in a month without doing any damage to their body if they go about it the right way, focusing on increasing fitness and proper rest and nutrition.
In order to maintain that kind of deficit, you need to have a fairly substantial BMR and TDEE to begin with. OP is not morbidly obese, nor is it likely that she has lots and lots of muscle mass...without those two factors, very few women have the kind of TDEE that can attain a deficit of more than 1-2 pounds per week.
Unless she's 8 and a half feet tall. Are you 8 and a half feet tall, OP?0 -
Anyone can ask her. By incorporating strength-training and focusing on increasing fitness, she will minimize the amount of muscle lost. No one knows how successful she will be at losing fat and minimizing muscle loss, but hopefully she will take my advice to focus on increasing fitness, incorporating strength training, and getting the proper amount of rest and nutrition.
Well thats on her ticker as her target weight loss, normally people put their ultimate target as their objective. As you are now on her friends list then just ask her. If she has 25 to lose and wants to lose 80% of that in the next 4 weeks, then thats rather a dramatic loss.
How much of that loss will be fat and how much muscle? Do you know?
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Very true. We all only have one body and we must love and listen to it.ChristieisReady wrote: »I'm just going to leave this here...
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I believe in what I've said and have tried to correct misrepresentations of what I've said. We can have a reasonable discussion. No need for an argument.
I think at this point he's just arguing because he doesn't want to admit he is wrong.
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Anyone can ask her. By incorporating strength-training and focusing on increasing fitness, she will minimize the amount of muscle lost. No one knows how successful she will be at losing fat and minimizing muscle loss, but hopefully she will take my advice to focus on increasing fitness, incorporating strength training, and getting the proper amount of rest and nutrition.
You keep falling back on this disclaimer that the OP can do this as long as they get rest and proper nutrition, which is kind of the point everyone is trying to make. There is no plan, none, that will allow someone who's not seriously obese to lose 5 pounds a week while getting proper rest and nutrition. The math just doesn't work out.
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Anyone can ask her. By incorporating strength-training and focusing on increasing fitness, she will minimize the amount of muscle lost. No one knows how successful she will be at losing fat and minimizing muscle loss, but hopefully she will take my advice to focus on increasing fitness, incorporating strength training, and getting the proper amount of rest and nutrition.
If she's going to sustain that kind of deficit, she will have to look at higher calorie burning activities... i.e. cardio. Strength training doesn't burn as many calories, and the effects of it take time to show. She doesn't have time.
She's gotta rock that bikini in a month... so she'll have to cardio the hell out of her days. That kind of extensive cardio activity can damage her heart, but hey, it's all about the bikini. Unless, she does a couple hours of cardio a day and THEN adds weight training ON TOP OF IT. But I imagine she does want a life outside of all the exercise she'll be doing.
Since the body will need to get calories from somewhere, anywhere, it'll look towards fat yes, and muscle, it will also steal nutrients from her bones and could damage her organs. As she prolongs that deficit, she may find herself depressed (as if being hungry and exhausted all the time wouldn't do that anyways), she'll feel sick, her metabolism will start to slow down (HELLO Weight Gain post wedding), and her gut will likely be miserable.
But hey, it's all about the bikini.
http://www.muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/0 -
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I think you're inferring a lot of intention and meaning that isn't there.
Her "journey", as she described it, involves losing 20lbs in 4 weeks. On of the common-use definitions for "death march", is "a project where the members feel it is destined to fail, or requires a stretch of unsustainable overwork." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(project_management)
I have no idea where you're getting anything about a conspiracy.
I think she is curious as to why you would focus on that particular sentence and ignore the other sentences where she says to choose a less aggressive and more realistic goal, and that even losing 7 lbs by the wedding would be an achievement. She wasn't advocating following the 20 lbs in 4 weeks plan.0 -
MireyGal76 wrote: »
If she's going to sustain that kind of deficit, she will have to look at higher calorie burning activities... i.e. cardio. Strength training doesn't burn as many calories, and the effects of it take time to show. She doesn't have time.
She's gotta rock that bikini in a month... so she'll have to cardio the hell out of her days. That kind of extensive cardio activity can damage her heart, but hey, it's all about the bikini. Unless, she does a couple hours of cardio a day and THEN adds weight training ON TOP OF IT. But I imagine she does want a life outside of all the exercise she'll be doing.
Since the body will need to get calories from somewhere, anywhere, it'll look towards fat yes, and muscle, it will also steal nutrients from her bones and could damage her organs. As she prolongs that deficit, she may find herself depressed (as if being hungry and exhausted all the time wouldn't do that anyways), she'll feel sick, her metabolism will start to slow down (HELLO Weight Gain post wedding), and her gut will likely be miserable.
But hey, it's all about the bikini.
http://www.muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
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Sooooo, what happened to the OP?
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It is not contradictory. She needs enough nutrition to sustain her work-outs. She does not need enough calories to sustain her current weight.
Except the deficit that she would need would insure her body doesn't get fueled properly, especially as she's only got 25lbs to lose (per her profile).
So there isn't any way she's going to get enough nutrition to sustain her workouts let alone keep her functioning regularly.0 -
MireyGal76 wrote: »she wants to lose 20 pounds
20pounds * 3500 cals (amt of cals in a pound) = 70,000
29 days (May 16 - today)
She would need a deficit of 70,000/29=2413.7931 cals per day
Assuming she stays at 1200 cals, then she would need to burn, on average 1200 calories a day and NOT eat them back. And if that were the case, she would be essentially netting zero.
Is my math wrong?
If it is, please tell me what I'm messing up.
If it isn't, then PLEASE tell me, @robertus, how that is safe for a 25 year old woman with only 25 extra pounds on her frame to be HEALTHY and survive on that kind of deficit for a whole freaking month.
Perhaps you should also read up on the affects of insanely low calorie intake as it relates to women and their reproductive systems. How it can fvck up menstruation, hormone levels, bone density.
Seriously, back away from the OP, and get the hell off her friend's list. She doesn't need your "support".
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That's a lot to lose in just a month.0
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Please note that I recommended she do cardio and incorporate strenght-training.MireyGal76 wrote: »
If she's going to sustain that kind of deficit, she will have to look at higher calorie burning activities... i.e. cardio. Strength training doesn't burn as many calories, and the effects of it take time to show. She doesn't have time.
Not if she does it properly and focuses on fitness and getting the necessary amount of rest in order to improve fitness.MireyGal76 wrote: »She's gotta rock that bikini in a month... so she'll have to cardio the hell out of her days. That kind of extensive cardio activity can damage her heart, but hey, it's all about the bikini.
Doing a couple of hours of cardio a day is not focusing on improving fitness. You will only break down your health doing that. When I do really intense cardio work-outs, eg, the first few times that I swam 3 miles, I would sometimes rest for a week afterwards to let the body repair and replenish itself and build fitness. The goal is not to burn as many calories as possible per day, but to increase one's fitness and that requires rest and replenishment with good nutrition, some of which can come from supplements, some of which is already stored as fat, and some of which must be eaten. A good nutritionist can explain all of this.MireyGal76 wrote: »Unless, she does a couple hours of cardio a day and THEN adds weight training ON TOP OF IT. But I imagine she does want a life outside of all the exercise she'll be doing.
Since the body will need to get calories from somewhere, anywhere, it'll look towards fat yes, and muscle, it will also steal nutrients from her bones and could damage her organs. As she prolongs that deficit, she may find herself depressed (as if being hungry and exhausted all the time wouldn't do that anyways), she'll feel sick, her metabolism will start to slow down (HELLO Weight Gain post wedding), and her gut will likely be miserable.
But hey, it's all about the bikini.
http://www.muscleforlife.com/the-quickest-way-to-lose-weight/
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Good lord, @Robertus, you're insufferable.
OP, my advice to you is to eat as healthy as you can, work out 3-4 times a week, drink lots of water, and get your hair done the day of the wedding. Don't worry about your weight. You'll feel awesome and look beautiful and have a great time at your friend's wedding.
Then, after the wedding, figure out a healthy, long-term plan to lose those 25 lbs slowly. Be methodical, persistent, eat foods you love (just smaller amounts), keep working out, and the lbs will come off over time. Setting tight deadlines like that most often lead to failure.0
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