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At no point did I say the 13.2lbs was all muscle. I said I gained that weight and got leaner. But it is too large a gain in weight to attribute it to water/food/glycogen in order to get it to fit into your absolute scientific certainty of 0.5lbs of muscle gain/week. Yes I gained weight partly in food/water/glycogen/bone density/whatever but not 8.2lbs worth or 62% of it. Seems like too much. I lost fat as well so my FFM most likely increased by more than 13.2lbs. But I thought I wouldn't even mention that.

Sounds legit!


How are you making the categorical assumption that its muscle - what are your assumptions? The BIA device?. Also, that would imply that you lost muscle and gained muscle in the degree of lbs daily? Really? How does that even make sense to you?


BTW: additional glycogen, water etc etc can easily account for 8lbs. But you do not want to believe that.

Also, you seem to have missed my point about newb gains. It is possible for some to gain more than 0.5lb of muscle a week, particularly when returning back to lifting (like newb gains), but posting as if people are their own limiting factor and you can sustain a higher than average muscle gain is disingenuous and just not true - it also totally ignores genetics. Your results more recently do not exactly make the argument for you. The 0.5lb is not a hard number, but people claiming results way outside that will be called into question, especially when they do not have a single piece of credible data to back it up.

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

At no point did I say the 13.2lbs was all muscle. I said I gained that weight and got leaner. But it is too large a gain in weight to attribute it to water/food/glycogen in order to get it to fit into your absolute scientific certainty of 0.5lbs of muscle gain/week. Yes I gained weight partly in food/water/glycogen/bone density/whatever but not 8.2lbs worth or 62% of it. Seems like too much. I lost fat as well so my FFM most likely increased by more than 13.2lbs. But I thought I wouldn't even mention that.

Sounds legit!


How are you making the categorical assumption that its muscle - what are your assumptions? The BIA device?. Also, that would imply that you lost muscle and gained muscle in the degree of lbs daily? Really? How does that even make sense to you?


BTW: additional glycogen, water etc etc can easily account for 8lbs. But you do not want to believe that.

Also, you seem to have missed my point about newb gains. It is possible for some to gain more than 0.5lb of muscle a week, particularly when returning back to lifting (like newb gains), but posting as if people are their own limiting factor and you can sustain a higher than average muscle gain is disingenuous and just not true - it also totally ignores genetics. Your results more recently do not exactly make the argument for you. The 0.5lb is not a hard number, but people claiming results way outside that will be called into question, especially when they do not have a single piece of credible data to back it up.

Right there is the biggest problem, IMO. We know the data is inaccurate, as evidenced by the wild daily swings in what you think is total muscle mass. With inaccurate data, no meaningful conclusions can be drawn - because you/we don't actually know what the real values are at any particular point.


eta: Just to reiterate what others have mentioned - you've obviously done a good job at getting and maintaining your physique. Nobody is saying otherwise. In fact, that part I'd say is admirable. But the numbers you're throwing about don't make any lick of sense and the data you've shown is - quite simply - bad.

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

TR0berts wrote: »

The fact that your numbers are all over the place - from day to day - should tell you right away your method is utter crap

Seriously - look at the last entry for "Muscle lbs." You really think you gained 1.9 lbs of muscle overnight?

He seems to think LBM = muscle and place too much reliance on the accuracy of BIAs that are notoriously inaccurate.

Also, when returning to lifting, I can easily gain 5lb in water/glycogen and I have less muscle mass so someone with more could easily gain more.

When I switch to a bulk from maintenance - I gain almost exactly 7lbs in the first week or so. This appears to be how much water I retain, so your 5lbs sounds right.

TR0berts wrote: »

Sarauk2sf wrote: »

At no point did I say the 13.2lbs was all muscle. I said I gained that weight and got leaner. But it is too large a gain in weight to attribute it to water/food/glycogen in order to get it to fit into your absolute scientific certainty of 0.5lbs of muscle gain/week. Yes I gained weight partly in food/water/glycogen/bone density/whatever but not 8.2lbs worth or 62% of it. Seems like too much. I lost fat as well so my FFM most likely increased by more than 13.2lbs. But I thought I wouldn't even mention that.

Sounds legit!


How are you making the categorical assumption that its muscle - what are your assumptions? The BIA device?. Also, that would imply that you lost muscle and gained muscle in the degree of lbs daily? Really? How does that even make sense to you?


BTW: additional glycogen, water etc etc can easily account for 8lbs. But you do not want to believe that.

Also, you seem to have missed my point about newb gains. It is possible for some to gain more than 0.5lb of muscle a week, particularly when returning back to lifting (like newb gains), but posting as if people are their own limiting factor and you can sustain a higher than average muscle gain is disingenuous and just not true - it also totally ignores genetics. Your results more recently do not exactly make the argument for you. The 0.5lb is not a hard number, but people claiming results way outside that will be called into question, especially when they do not have a single piece of credible data to back it up.

Right there is the biggest problem, IMO. We know the data is inaccurate, as evidenced by the wild daily swings in what you think is total muscle mass. With inaccurate data, no meaningful conclusions can be drawn - because you/we don't actually know what the real values are at any particular point.


eta: Just to reiterate what others have mentioned - you've obviously done a good job at getting and maintaining your physique. Nobody is saying otherwise. In fact, that part I'd say is admirable. But the numbers you're throwing about don't make any lick of sense and the data you've shown is - quite simply - bad.

It would not be so bad but 1) he has none of the data he is showing for the time he says he gained all this muscle 2) his data actually contradicts what he is saying. He is saying that 8lb/13lb (ratio of muscle:weight gain of 0.46:1) is assuming too large of an amount as non muscle LBM yet his 'stats' for the recent period show it to be too low. FFM gained on the chart = 3.3kg. Muscle gaines = 1kg. That is a 0.30:1 ratio. It is even worse than the number he is trying to argue is too low. His interpretation of the data (even if it were assumed as accurate) is faulty in the extreme. I realize that he is going to tell us to use his cherry picked data points where he 'gained muscle' - the last month - the period where on the last day he apparently gained 1.9lb of muscle in 24 hours however.

If the data does not make sense when looked at in detail, then you probably should not be using it to make claims, particularly when they are outside the norm. Also, when trying to prove a point, you do not take a period of time (2 1/2 months) that equates to that period which you are using to prove said point (2 1/2 months) and cherry pick the best numbers from a one month period because the data from the 2 1/2 month period does not support, and actually counteracts your assertion. It just does not fly.

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Lol, I gain muscle after I do a number 2 according to BIA scale.

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MrM27 wrote: »

I just drank 16oz of water and gained a lb of muscle. 16oz of water is 1 lb right?

Anabolic water!


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Anabolic Dreams
Wet Dreams
Anabolic Water

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