Gaining anf lifting. how much red meat is ok?
aimsr23
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How much red meat is ok a week? I'm trying to gain healthy weight while lifting. Some say no red meat and some say some is ok? Any advice please
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Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.0
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No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Yeah, hitting protein from plant sources while lifting sounds fun!
Red meat is fine, OP, some people say stick to once or twice a week but I couldn't face chicken and fish all the time. I have red meat 4/5 times a week (for either lunch or dinner) - it's doing me no harm, and is delicious!
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
No one is trying to force you to eat meat so why push vegan on others?
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
No one is trying to force you to eat meat so why push vegan on others?
I did not mention veganism? This person asked for opinions on red meat, so I gave my opinion on red meat. As I said many people have different opinions due to the conflicting studies but I think red meat is not healthy in the long term.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Yeah, hitting protein from plant sources while lifting sounds fun!
Red meat is fine, OP, some people say stick to once or twice a week but I couldn't face chicken and fish all the time. I have red meat 4/5 times a week (for either lunch or dinner) - it's doing me no harm, and is delicious!
Thank you. I'm getting sick of chicken quickly I'm going to add red meat into my diet a couple times a week. 0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
No one is trying to force you to eat meat so why push vegan on others?
I did not mention veganism? This person asked for opinions on red meat, so I gave my opinion on red meat. As I said many people have different opinions due to the conflicting studies but I think red meat is not healthy in the long term.
Well, plant-based suggest vegan to me, apologies if that's not the case. She asked about red meat in conjunction with gaining weight and lifting - are you doing either of those?
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ALL THE RED MEAT0
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
No one is trying to force you to eat meat so why push vegan on others?
I did not mention veganism? This person asked for opinions on red meat, so I gave my opinion on red meat. As I said many people have different opinions due to the conflicting studies but I think red meat is not healthy in the long term.
Well, plant-based suggest vegan to me, apologies if that's not the case. She asked about red meat in conjunction with gaining weight and lifting - are you doing either of those?
I suggested plant based protein sources as legumes and nuts particularly are very healthy from what I've heard. I'm really not suggesting anyone to go vegan here, although not to say there aren't plenty of healthy vegan weight lifters.
And yes I am in the process of gaining weight and muscle, and I don't consume red meat.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Yeah, hitting protein from plant sources while lifting sounds fun!
Red meat is fine, OP, some people say stick to once or twice a week but I couldn't face chicken and fish all the time. I have red meat 4/5 times a week (for either lunch or dinner) - it's doing me no harm, and is delicious!
Thank you. I'm getting sick of chicken quickly I'm going to add red meat into my diet a couple times a week.
Get to the butchers missy, you deserve a steak!
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
I have looked it up thank you. Anyway it's pretty clear that your knowledge base on general nutrition is lacking. Thankfully the OP was smart enough to ignore your flawed advice.
In what way is my knowledge of general nutrition lacking, what am I missing?0 -
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
I have looked it up thank you. Anyway it's pretty clear that your knowledge base on general nutrition is lacking. Thankfully the OP was smart enough to ignore your flawed advice.
In what way is my knowledge of general nutrition lacking, what am I missing?
From what I can see, a lot.
I don't understand. Can you link me to something, or suggest some reading?0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
I suggested plant based protein sources as legumes and nuts particularly are very healthy from what I've heard. I'm really not suggesting anyone to go vegan here, although not to say there aren't plenty of healthy vegan weight lifters.
And yes I am in the process of gaining weight and muscle, and I don't consume red meat.
Oh, okay.....
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
Could you share some of these studies please.0 -
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Yeah, hitting protein from plant sources while lifting sounds fun!
Red meat is fine, OP, some people say stick to once or twice a week but I couldn't face chicken and fish all the time. I have red meat 4/5 times a week (for either lunch or dinner) - it's doing me no harm, and is delicious!
Thank you. I'm getting sick of chicken quickly I'm going to add red meat into my diet a couple times a week.
Perfectly fine. Also, you can add fish and seafood if you want to up your protein (and are usually a good source of Omega 3).0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
ssorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
I have looked it up thank you. Anyway it's pretty clear that your knowledge base on general nutrition is lacking. Thankfully the OP was smart enough to ignore your flawed advice.
In what way is my knowledge of general nutrition lacking, what am I missing?
From what I can see, a lot.
I don't understand. Can you link me to something, or suggest some reading?
Where you aware that the recommended limits on dietary cholesterol are being loosened this year?
You never answered, are you aware of the role that saturated fat plays with testosterone?
Are you aware that the people that make those guidelines often work for or are paid by the food industry? Often people dying from heart disease have 'healthy' cholesterol due to the fact the safe cholesterol limits aren't tight enough.
No I haven't I'll look it up, thanks. I haven't seen any non biased saturated fat studies in a while, it's all saturated fat is the devil, or the dairy industry funding things to say dairy fat is less bad.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
Could you share some of these studies please.
Can't you just google it? It's pretty easy to find stuff and I don't have time right now sorry.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
ssorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
I have looked it up thank you. Anyway it's pretty clear that your knowledge base on general nutrition is lacking. Thankfully the OP was smart enough to ignore your flawed advice.
In what way is my knowledge of general nutrition lacking, what am I missing?
From what I can see, a lot.
I don't understand. Can you link me to something, or suggest some reading?
Where you aware that the recommended limits on dietary cholesterol are being loosened this year?
You never answered, are you aware of the role that saturated fat plays with testosterone?
Are you aware that the people that make those guidelines often work for or are paid by the food industry? Often people dying from heart disease have 'healthy' cholesterol due to the fact the safe cholesterol limits aren't tight enough.
No I haven't I'll look it up, thanks. I haven't seen any non biased saturated fat studies in a while, it's all saturated fat is the devil, or the dairy industry funding things to say dairy fat is less bad.
So, you cannot support your claims? Or answer his questions? Got it!0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
Could you share some of these studies please.
Can't you just google it? It's pretty easy to find stuff and I don't have time right now sorry.
Lol..the 'ole 'google it' response.
That is not the way it works - you make the claim, at least make an attempt at supporting it.
Also, if you had seen these studies, you should have no trouble finding them - you are the one who has seen them not me. I would have no idea which ones you are talking about.0 -
sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
I have looked it up thank you. Anyway it's pretty clear that your knowledge base on general nutrition is lacking. Thankfully the OP was smart enough to ignore your flawed advice.
In what way is my knowledge of general nutrition lacking, what am I missing?
From what I can see, a lot.sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
No one is trying to force you to eat meat so why push vegan on others?
I did not mention veganism? This person asked for opinions on red meat, so I gave my opinion on red meat. As I said many people have different opinions due to the conflicting studies but I think red meat is not healthy in the long term.
Well, plant-based suggest vegan to me, apologies if that's not the case. She asked about red meat in conjunction with gaining weight and lifting - are you doing either of those?
I suggested plant based protein sources as legumes and nuts particularly are very healthy from what I've heard. I'm really not suggesting anyone to go vegan here, although not to say there aren't plenty of healthy vegan weight lifters.
And yes I am in the process of gaining weight and muscle, and I don't consume red meat.
Oh yeah, how many calories are you eating per day? What are your macros? Describe your training?
2500-300, I'm not strict on macros about 60 carb, 20 fat, 20 protien. I don't lift. I cycle, and do yoga, and have a very active lifestyle. I don't have much time at the moment for a proper routine but am just working to gain a little, slowly. I am not muscular at all so this is enough for me at the moment.0 -
I often eat red meat twice a day. Because i have two giant freezers full of All The Meat.....mmmmmm.....My hsband and I raise 100% grass fed beef and lamb and pastured pork. There is so much research coming out about the benefits of grass fed pasture raised meat, omega 3s, good cholesterols..... and its all so.very.yummy.
If you have a hard time fitting fattier cuts of meat into your macros venison, elk, and other game are all very lean.
As far as research based articles about saturated fats and cholesterol the Weston a price foundation has good articled with well cited research. westonaprice.org0 -
Thank you all0
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I'm excited about grubbin' on some steaks. Appreciate the advise 0
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »And yes I am in the process of gaining weight and muscle, and I don't consume red meat.
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2500-300, I'm not strict on macros about 60 carb, 20 fat, 20 protien. I don't lift. I cycle, and do yoga, and have a very active lifestyle. I don't have much time at the moment for a proper routine but am just working to gain a little, slowly. I am not muscular at all so this is enough for me at the moment.[/quote]
Just curious, you say you are in the process of gaining weight and muscle, but you don't lift. Do you do any resistance training? Bodyweight routines?
OP, do have yourself a nice juicy steak! Since I've started to eat red meat at least every other day, if not 2x a day, my fat is melting and revealing that I do have muscles! Muscles are protein, meat in fact, our muscles are not made of plant material so I fail to see how we can adequately feed them with plant matter.
This is just my opinion based on my personal experience! Can't google that!
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sorbus33rowan wrote: »sorbus33rowan wrote: »
No, please don't come into this section with that nonsense.sorbus33rowan wrote: »Everyone will have a different opinion. I would say none atall, down to the cholesterol, saturated fat, and various hormones, chemicals, carcinogens, etc. I would stick to plant proteins such as legumes, wholegrains, and nuts. They tend to be low in fat, and unwanted chemicals. They also tend to have fibre, vitmins, and minerals.
Look up the effects of dietary cholesterol on the body. Also the relationship between saturated fat and testosterone.
I have thank you. Different studies say different things, it depend who funds them and who's conclusion you read. There is plenty of evidence to show that saturated fat and cholesterol are very bad for you. Perhaps you should look it up as well.
Could you share some of these studies please.
Can't you just google it? It's pretty easy to find stuff and I don't have time right now sorry.
The most amusing part of that response is that you might be surprised to learn what the way the person you replied that to is. I don't know this for sure but I would have to go out on a limb and say the last time Sara ate red meat is probably a lot longer than the last time you did.
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