Banning women from running marathons...
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kamakazeekim wrote: »Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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The OP was showing how far we've come and celebrating how women can now participate in marathons...you can't be blind to what happened in the past!
I've seen enough of both @Of_Monsters_and_Meat monsters_and @_John_ in the threads to know that they thrive on trolling and snark...so I'm unfazed. Unfortunately though, this thread is taking a turn that I didn't intend it to and will probably end up locked. MFP never fails to disappoint, lol!
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Oh FFS
OP please consider deleting the photo so we can discuss the article and the evolution of women in sport rather than the focus being on the pic.0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »jessilee119 wrote: »I've come to the conclusion that Of_Monsters is the Jonathan Swift of MFP. I could be wrong though...
At first, I thought that was Taylor's brother. Now that I have Binged it(not Googled) I have now found that I am mistaken.
LOL! I'm guessing you haven't read A Modest Proposal?
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So_Much_Fab wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
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c) Images containing hateful or violent imagery, depiction of illegal activities, or copyrighted material are not allowed and will be removed.
The OP was showing how far we've come and celebrating how women can now participate in marathons...you can't be blind to what happened in the past!
I've seen enough of both @Of_Monsters_and_Meat monsters_and @_John_ in the threads to know that they thrive on trolling and snark...so I'm unfazed.
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My female MFP friend just finished Boston!
She had a great time, just over 3hours.
I won't post her official time since it's hers to brag about.
But I'm ridiculously excited for her and I've never even met her lol0 -
Oh FFS
OP please consider deleting the photo so we can discuss the article and the evolution of women in sport rather than the focus being on the pic.
I suspect that poster would find a way to nitpick. If you're genuinely triggered by this picture, please seek help because I'm sure your life is miserable in many ways.
Thank you, OP. I actually first saw these pictures on Tumblr . . .with no trigger warning.0 -
I came across Kathrine Switzer's story late last year and she has become a big inspiration. This event happened in my lifetime, which I find stunning. Thank you so much for bringing this story forward.
She signed up for the marathon as "K Switzer".
There was no gender identification on the form because, well, it was assumed that it was dangerous for women to participate in events like this.0 -
_incogNEATo_ wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons do have a place here. What are you talking about? That's a rhetorical question.
My point exactly and what I was questioning. Im not the one who said that this topic doesnt have a place here...this guy did:_incogNEATo_ wrote: »This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
Oh wait... thats you.
You're confused. I'm reading defense for the image in these comments, not the original post's written content. Nice try though.
Very nice try...success even. All we see in this photo, as I pointed out, is Semple being pushed away from Switzer by her husband when he tried to reach for her number. That the imagery of him defending his wife to allow her to complete the race is so offensive to you and of_monsters is unfortunate. I find this to be powerful imagary of a woman who was brave enough to be the first, and paved the way for many. Not confusion...just my personal opinion, of which you disagree. Fair enough. That is all.0 -
Sigh. You're probably right about that. I was just hoping to avoid the thread getting shut down by some trigger-happy goofball taking the rules out of context.barbecuesauce wrote: »Oh FFS
OP please consider deleting the photo so we can discuss the article and the evolution of women in sport rather than the focus being on the pic.
I suspect that poster would find a way to nitpick. If you're genuinely triggered by this picture, please seek help because I'm sure your life is miserable in many ways.
Thank you, OP. I actually first saw these pictures on Tumblr . . .with no trigger warning.
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chivalryder wrote: »_incogNEATo_ wrote: »of_monsters, I'm surprised that you feel that historical media should be censored, as though turning a blind eye to the worlds problems will make them go away. It is because we get to re-live our past through the media, be it photos, movies or text that we hopefully learn from our forefathers mistakes. Would you censor the attacks on the civil rights protesters from the 50's & 60's? How about the pictures from Dachau or Auschwitz. Though I'm sure that Mrs. Switzer was probably upset with what was happening at the time, she is also probably really proud of what was accomplished.
There are dirty and nasty pieces of our society which do make us uncomfortable to see and remember, that doesn't mean we should avoid them.
This is not the place for that, though. Forum rules are forum rules.
A fitness forum is not the place to share some sports history to salute the progress allowing women to participate in the Boston Marathon, on the day of the Boston Marathon? Considering how many people...women included (you might not realize) are actively training for marathons and are here for the reason of support and advice...its odd you feel the topic of marathons have no place here.
Or is it runners? Or is it women? Not sure which of these you have an issue with actually.
I don't even want to know. Im asking all these rhetorical questions I dont actually think I want to know the answer to LoL! Oh well. History made its impact on the world as we know it today...some people will have a problem with it. So it is.
The topic of marathons are allowed here, but apparently not pictures portraying the history of sexism in sport.
Apparently indeed. Ah well, at least it does not change history and what we now have to show for what happened that day. Theres always a bright side.
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I can't believe how out of hand this thread got so quickly, and on such an inspiring post. Sometimes I look around me and it's hard to believe that it's actually 2015. To those of you who would cower away from the history that's brought us through the crucible of progress, you should be ashamed. Thank you for posting this and sticking by it.0
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asflatasapancake wrote: »jessilee119 wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »jessilee119 wrote: »I've come to the conclusion that Of_Monsters is the Jonathan Swift of MFP. I could be wrong though...
At first, I thought that was Taylor's brother. Now that I have Binged it(not Googled) I have now found that I am mistaken.
LOL! I'm guessing you haven't read A Modest Proposal?
I keep hearing about this "reading" thing. I really should give it a try. Actually, reading to my daughter at night has kind of peaked my interest a little. We've gotten through the original War of the Worlds and we're making our way through Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I have not read A Modest Proposal, sorry.
You can Bing it
I'm guessing your daughter is younger so I wouldn't recommend adding this to the reading list...just fyi.
That's great you read to her. I love reading to my son as well...it can be very good for development and it's great for bonding too.
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I still remember the days when girls could only play half-court basketball in gym class. Full court was considered too strenuous for our "delicate" systems. I was in HS when Title IX passed. My mom was a gym teacher and within a month already was forming a track team, one of a handful that were the first girl's interscholastic teams in our state.0
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So_Much_Fab wrote: »kamakazeekim wrote: »Of_Monsters_and_Meat wrote: »These images contain hateful, violent imagery. People should not be attacked like that.
8. Posts Must Abide By All Legal Statutes
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c) Images containing hateful or violent imagery, depiction of illegal activities, or copyrighted material are not allowed and will be removed.
The OP was showing how far we've come and celebrating how women can now participate in marathons...you can't be blind to what happened in the past!
I've seen enough of both @Of_Monsters_and_Meat monsters_and @_John_ in the threads to know that they thrive on trolling and snark...so I'm unfazed. Unfortunately though, this thread is taking a turn that I didn't intend it to and will probably end up locked. MFP never fails to disappoint, lol!
I wish I had known about that before I responded... Im usually so good at avoiding people who say stuff just to troll and stir the pot! I feel like I got Rick Rolled LMFAO!
Anyway...I thank you for posting this. I only found out about it a couple weeks ago and definitely found it inspiring. I even actually contemplated picking up running again but uhhh, realized I really need to get myself to my dr first. I might actually need surgery. Blah. But very excited for everyone who can run, and those who do a marathon like this. Men *and* women alike...its a tough race!0 -
I came across Kathrine Switzer's story late last year and she has become a big inspiration. This event happened in my lifetime, which I find stunning. Thank you so much for bringing this story forward.
She signed up for the marathon as "K Switzer".
There was no gender identification on the form because, well, it was assumed that it was dangerous for women to participate in events like this.
I read this great article about a woman runner here in Maine.
Her mother told her that long distance running would injure her uterus.
I wish I could find that article, it was amazing
ETA: after much searching, found it!
http://www.ellsworthamerican.com/sports/part-1-ellsworths-robin-emery-pioneered-womens-running0 -
As long as she's home in time to cook dinner, I see no reason why a woman shouldn't be allowed to run a Marathon.0
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TheRoadDog wrote: »As long as she's home in time to cook dinner, I see no reason why a woman shouldn't be allowed to run a Marathon.
Now *thats* how you s*** stir a pot LMFAO!!!!
Youre nuts
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TheRoadDog wrote: »As long as she's home in time to cook dinner, I see no reason why a woman shouldn't be allowed to run a Marathon.
i was wondering when you would show up.0 -
TheRoadDog wrote: »As long as she's home in time to cook dinner, I see no reason why a woman shouldn't be allowed to run a Marathon.
i was wondering when you would show up.
I've seen him around too. He's just a big softie.
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Her husband had nice legs.0
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what's the deal with the gloves on all the runners? was gardening an after marathon requirement?
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I still remember the days when girls could only play half-court basketball in gym class. Full court was considered too strenuous for our "delicate" systems. I was in HS when Title IX passed. My mom was a gym teacher and within a month already was forming a track team, one of a handful that were the first girl's interscholastic teams in our state.
You have an awesome mom.
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I still remember the days when girls could only play half-court basketball in gym class. Full court was considered too strenuous for our "delicate" systems. I was in HS when Title IX passed. My mom was a gym teacher and within a month already was forming a track team, one of a handful that were the first girl's interscholastic teams in our state.
Wow this is really cool. Thank you for sharing
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haven't we already reached the point where sperm cells can be artificially created by female cells so that men are no longer needed and can therefore be exterminated to cease causing any of the world's problems?
Nah, not really. We can shift some DNA around and end up with what could debateably be called a clone, depending on how you want to define it, but truly modifying a cell to make a functioning sperm cell is a few years off.0 -
FoCoAlphaNerd wrote: »haven't we already reached the point where sperm cells can be artificially created by female cells so that men are no longer needed and can therefore be exterminated to cease causing any of the world's problems?
Nah, not really. We can shift some DNA around and end up with what could debateably be called a clone, depending on how you want to define it, but truly modifying a cell to make a functioning sperm cell is a few years off.
good to know i only have to tolerate men for a little while longer
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MissMary75044 wrote: »I still remember the days when girls could only play half-court basketball in gym class. Full court was considered too strenuous for our "delicate" systems. I was in HS when Title IX passed. My mom was a gym teacher and within a month already was forming a track team, one of a handful that were the first girl's interscholastic teams in our state.
You have an awesome mom.
She is still around and living in her home at 94. She is also a huge sports fan, especially college basketball.
Title IX did so much for women in sports and gave them so many more opportunities, but the ones we really have to remember are the pioneers. Women like Babe Didrikson Zaharias and the first women to run the Boston Marathon proved that you can be athletic and still be a woman. You are not going to "turn into a man" or mess up your baby making insides if you exert yourself. I am the generation that saw the change.
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So, I have sort of a general question for everyone. I'm honestly not trying to push or lead towards any specific conclusion. I just want to know what people think.
Segregating a marathon seems pretty ridiculous. How anyone could be harmed by running next to someone who's an innie rather than an outtie, I'll never know. But, what about sports where there could possibly (depending on who you ask) be an added safety issue because of size and strength disparity, the full contact categories like rugby or football.
Obviously women aren't wilting flowers. They participate in dangerous sports all the time. In high school, my girlfriend on the gymnastics team spent way more time injured than I or my football playing male friends did.
Is there an argument for segregating something like rugby since the addition of men, as opposed to an all girl team, is going to make it significantly more dangerous? What about with kids as opposed to adult women?0
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