University Studies on Rapid Weight Loss Diets
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2819400/Why-crash-diets-GOOD-New-research-turns-accepted-dieting-wisdom-head.html
Another theory is that yo-yo dieting can slow the metabolism over time. The thinking behind this is that every time you lose weight, you lose muscle. When you regain weight, you put on fat, which burns calories more slowly.
But Michael Mosley says this is a myth. 'There's nothing wrong with losing weight rapidly, as long as you have adequate protein and nutrients, and exercise to maintain muscle,' he says. And weight loss, even if not maintained, can benefit the heart, a team at University College London reported earlier this year.
Another theory is that yo-yo dieting can slow the metabolism over time. The thinking behind this is that every time you lose weight, you lose muscle. When you regain weight, you put on fat, which burns calories more slowly.
But Michael Mosley says this is a myth. 'There's nothing wrong with losing weight rapidly, as long as you have adequate protein and nutrients, and exercise to maintain muscle,' he says. And weight loss, even if not maintained, can benefit the heart, a team at University College London reported earlier this year.
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Oh yeah...the dailymail...0
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2819400/Why-crash-diets-GOOD-New-research-turns-accepted-dieting-wisdom-head.html
Another theory is that yo-yo dieting can slow the metabolism over time. The thinking behind this is that every time you lose weight, you lose muscle. When you regain weight, you put on fat, which burns calories more slowly.
But Michael Mosley says this is a myth. 'There's nothing wrong with losing weight rapidly, as long as you have adequate protein and nutrients, and exercise to maintain muscle,' he says. And weight loss, even if not maintained, can benefit the heart, a team at University College London reported earlier this year.
Not always true. People who want to increase their muscle mass typically eat over maintenance ( spelling? Lol) to bulk/gain weight.
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I didn't read the article but I Ihave a feeling they are refering to the morbidly obese (> 350 lbs) who need to lose weight somewhat quickly to save their life.0
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The Daily Mail... I can't wait for the next post from the National Enquirer. I hear Bat Boy is giving out great diet advice these days.0
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2819400/Why-crash-diets-GOOD-New-research-turns-accepted-dieting-wisdom-head.html
Another theory is that yo-yo dieting can slow the metabolism over time. The thinking behind this is that every time you lose weight, you lose muscle. When you regain weight, you put on fat, which burns calories more slowly.
But Michael Mosley says this is a myth. 'There's nothing wrong with losing weight rapidly, as long as you have adequate protein and nutrients, and exercise to maintain muscle,' he says. And weight loss, even if not maintained, can benefit the heart, a team at University College London reported earlier this year.
Well yeah, that's exactly the problem, a lot of people don't do that.
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This is the study they are referring to, most likely:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(14)70200-1/abstract?cc=y0 -
This is the study they are referring to, most likely:
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/landia/article/PIIS2213-8587(14)70200-1/abstract?cc=y
I'm kicking some opinions around in my head about this, but I'd like to see the full text and I also have to decide how much confirmation bias I have going on in my head
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http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/10/16/crash-diets-rapid-weight-loss-better-gradual-weight-loss-study
Contrary to most research that recommends long term weight loss diets, the University of Melbourne paper, published in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, has suggested that ‘crash diets’ may be more effective
Seen it. The study is linked in the article. The study doesn't even really say crash diets may be more effective. It just showed that both fast and slow weight losers regained their original weight at the same relative rate.
So one is more restrictive calories wise but it's over faster while the other is less restrictive calories wise but takes longer.
Also I don't think it took LBM retention into account, which is kinda important when wanting to assess if one is better than the other in my opinion.
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Crash diets can work no doubt. The concern I would have for anyone doing it though is getting in essentials and having enough calories if they intend to exercise along with it. The article didn't mention any of these people exercising or doing any physical activity.
The other is sustainability after. Severe restriction can mentally be taxing and it's not uncommon for people who have abstained from foods they like for a long time, to completely binge (a natural behavior).
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daily mail is a *kitten* paper but this guy is actually right here, case in point: protein sparing modified fasts with weight lifting 2x per week can drop weight off you at an alarming rate while maintaining lbm, but they are brutal and not recommended for most people and can lead to binging and eating disorders0
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Done right (which most don't) rapid fat loss protocols (the non-idiotic ones) are the bomb. Lean mass retention and accelerated fat oxidation FTW.
Not for everybody, though. They can be tough mentally. But for those who prefer stair step approach (cycling periods of rapid fat loss with periods of maintenance) over a gradual incline...yeah....
Too bad we can't really talk about them on MFP.
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Love this quote:"The idea that losing weight slowly is better for you is an old wives' tale," says Professor Nick Finer, consultant endocrinologist and an expert in obesity at University College London Hospitals.0 -
Huh? What are you referring to that you can talk about here?
Too bad we can't really talk about them on MFP.
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Another money quote...'The people I've worked with who have kept the weight off have become Weight Watchers group leaders, triathlon runners, gym instructors - it's become a big part of who they are.'
This is consistent with my experience - I've personally come to believe that the people most likely to succeed in maintenance are the ones who find a reason stronger than the number on the scale or the fit of their pants to keep the weight off.
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So how does that apply to people doing these on their own, without medical supervision?
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I would love it if this were true!
Not scientific enough to know if it is or isn't. But liking the idea!0 -
Done right (which most don't) rapid fat loss protocols (the non-idiotic ones) are the bomb. Lean mass retention and accelerated fat oxidation FTW.
Not for everybody, though. They can be tough mentally. But for those who prefer stair step approach (cycling periods of rapid fat loss with periods of maintenance) over a gradual incline...yeah....
Too bad we can't really talk about them on MFP.
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Love this quote:"The idea that losing weight slowly is better for you is an old wives' tale," says Professor Nick Finer, consultant endocrinologist and an expert in obesity at University College London Hospitals.
Actually, under the right protocols, we do allow for members to discuss VLCD (medically supervised, gastric bypass, etc...) but what you find is that 99% of the people advocating LCD do not follow any type of protocol and do it without real knowledge. So it's more circumstantial. If someone was prepping for a competition, that would probably be something I would let go too.
Regarding the link, there are circumstances (especially morbidly obese) where they benefits significantly outweigh the disadvantages of rapid weight loss but that generally applies to those obese/morbidly obese and under supervision.
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I agree that crash dieting can work, but most people don't do it with regards to adequate nutrition. They just exist on a bowl of Frosties a day so they can get into a swimsuit in 4 weeks time. Unless it is adequately supervised, it's not going to provide you with a healthy diet, or be any good for your mental health. Or be a long-term solution to weight issues. I can understand why people use it to kick start a diet, but it's not sustainable.
I am glad MFP don't allow discussion on crash diets, just as they don't encourage discussion on all the herbal/diet drug scam solutions either.
I would also add that those that do undertake vlc diets, such as Lighter Life, seem to end up putting the weight back on. Making a lifestyle change and a permanent adjustment to your eating habits is the only way to lose weight and keep it off in my opinion.0 -
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Medical supervision and monitored intake vs crash dieting on one's one ... quite a difference.0 -
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http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/10/16/crash-diets-rapid-weight-loss-better-gradual-weight-loss-study
Contrary to most research that recommends long term weight loss diets, the University of Melbourne paper, published in The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology, has suggested that ‘crash diets’ may be more effective
"Around 71 per cent of subjects in both groups ended up regaining similar amounts of weight within three years, regardless of the diet program they were assigned."
Doesn't seem more effective.0 -
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