One Week Down: Observations

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  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    I had been been doing them 1st, 1x5 (or 5x1 if it's really rough).

    Lately though, after the 1x5 in totally gassed for the rest of the workout. I was trying to conserve strength for the DL.

    Whatever lift you do last is going to be affected because you're lifting before it, but because deads are the lowest volume, I always try to end with them. You might try messing with the order and see if it helps with the recovery. Or look at rest days; make sure you're getting enough of them and that you're spacing them appropriately. And Lolbroscience listed off a lot of factors that inhibit recovery as well.
  • auddii
    auddii Posts: 15,357 Member
    What does a deload week usually look like? Do you go by percentage?

    And the back-off set?

    There's a lot of ways to structure them, but ultimately you're just backing off the weight or the number of sets and reps. Some people prefer to work off percentages - 50%, 60% etc. Some people use to to play around with other lifts...

    Here's a write up example : http://breakingmuscle.com/strength-conditioning/deloading-101-what-is-a-deload-and-how-do-you-do-it

    Ha, I just posted this in another thread. Great minds...
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    It's about 4 weeks at this point:
    • I have a temporary crown in, so chewing is a real nightmare. Actually it's okay most of the time but sometimes the thought of eating is a real drag, so I'm leaning heavily on the blender to hit my calories.
    • I had a massive, massive overage on the weekend -- and then followed that up with a day where I was on my feet for about 12 hours on and off. I kind of front-loaded calories in anticipation of so much walking.
    • Waist measurement seems about the same.
    • Calipers indicate two pounds of LBM in just shy of a month; about 1.5 pounds of "other" in the same period. So about three pounds gain total.
    • I also had a deload week because my back was killing me and pretty much every exercise in my full body routine touches on it in some way. I'm feeling better now but, cautious.

    The rolling average is starting to move upwards again, which is good:

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    Pants still fit.

    I told myself I'd give it a month, which it hasn't quite been yet. I think at this rate I'll continue since I don't have full confidence in the fat calipers. I have some anxiety surrounding stalled lifts but I imagine that attempting and failing that last set still creates stimulus for growth.

    I'm starting to see results with a surplus in the 600 calorie neighborhood. If that speeds up the fat gain too much I'll back it off but when I was hitting 400 and 500 over I wasn't seeing a lot of movement.

    My initial goal was to stop when my rolling average hits 200 lbs. So maybe another month of this?

  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Finally hit 120 5x5 on the OHP so I guess that food is going somewhere.
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  • schpitt
    schpitt Posts: 37 Member
    edited May 2015
    I've also had weird results - I gained 1kg this last week. I thought maybe its just all that extra food sitting in my stomach. It really is a pain to eat so much, but that's good because I don't want it to become a habit once I've reached my target. I can't see any difference body fat or otherwise.

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    edit: why doesn't my ticker show my weight gain? I've added the numbers in settings.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    schpitt wrote: »
    I've also had weird results - I gained 1kg this last week. I thought maybe its just all that extra food sitting in my stomach. It really is a pain to eat so much, but that's good because I don't want it to become a habit once I've reached my target. I can't see any difference body fat or otherwise.

    [...]

    So you raise an interesting point, one that I feel like I've noticed too. I'm, at this point, pretty much used to the extra food. And watching the scale swing five pounds in three days and then swing back.

    But I still feel like it's inconvenient to eat this much. Programming in extra snacks when I'm not hungry kind of sucks. It's fun to be looser with the stuff I get, but it's not fun to have to constantly eat and worry about whether I'm going to have to make up 600 calories at the end of the night.

    I hope that mentality can carry me through my eventual cut.

  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Finally hit 120 5x5 on the OHP so I guess that food is going somewhere.

    That's nice right there. It's frustrating for me how slow the progression on that lift is

    You should tell that to the guy in the power rack next to me. Warmed up with two plates on the OHP. Then grabbed two more. Then two more.

    Then two more (three on a side now).

    Then two 25's.

    He was doing really quick sets of 3 and even heavy singles but... still. I was shocked. I know I couldn't have even unracked the bar. With the help of his spotter he managed to get a single OHP of 365. That's some next level *kitten*.
  • JoRocka
    JoRocka Posts: 17,525 Member
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Finally hit 120 5x5 on the OHP so I guess that food is going somewhere.

    That's nice right there. It's frustrating for me how slow the progression on that lift is

    You should tell that to the guy in the power rack next to me. Warmed up with two plates on the OHP. Then grabbed two more. Then two more.

    Then two more (three on a side now).

    Then two 25's.

    He was doing really quick sets of 3 and even heavy singles but... still. I was shocked. I know I couldn't have even unracked the bar. With the help of his spotter he managed to get a single OHP of 365. That's some next level *kitten*.

    was he over head pressing or was he doing a push press?

    Because a strict OHP is different than a push press. (I mean- 365 is pretty impressive either way- but they aren't they same movements)
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  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    JoRocka wrote: »
    MrM27 wrote: »
    Finally hit 120 5x5 on the OHP so I guess that food is going somewhere.

    That's nice right there. It's frustrating for me how slow the progression on that lift is

    You should tell that to the guy in the power rack next to me. Warmed up with two plates on the OHP. Then grabbed two more. Then two more.

    Then two more (three on a side now).

    Then two 25's.

    He was doing really quick sets of 3 and even heavy singles but... still. I was shocked. I know I couldn't have even unracked the bar. With the help of his spotter he managed to get a single OHP of 365. That's some next level *kitten*.

    was he over head pressing or was he doing a push press?

    Because a strict OHP is different than a push press. (I mean- 365 is pretty impressive either way- but they aren't they same movements)

    It wasn't a strict OHP I don't think. He definitely wasn't locking out over his head. Actually I think if he was locking it out over his head he would quite nearly have died. Probably a push press then. Still, super impressive.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Week 5 (1 Month):

    I'm using an exponential average, which smooths the peaks and valleys nicely. With that method, I've averaged .6 lbs of gain per week for the last five weeks.
    • It's turning into a bit of a grind. This is the "right" rate of progress but it suddenly feels very slow.
    • I'm mixing up my lifting routine because the volume of 5x5 was killing me and it had been going on for too long. I'm going to take my strength days down to 3x5 and mix in some 3x10 days at a lower weight.
    • Something must have changed in my caliper measurement technique because my BF% leapt two points in the last week. I think I had been underestimating it.
    • After a month, pictures indicate a slightly accumulation of fat along the waistline. You wouldn't know it without the pictures. I've also lost some slight striation/separation of muscle in the shoulders I had grown fond of.
    • I've averaged about 3400 calories a day for the last 30 days.

    At this point I'm just determined to see this through to the end, which at this rate should be about another six weeks. I kind of wish I had taken flexed and unflexed pictures at the beginning.

    That being said, I feel like I'm continuing to make strength gains. I did 10 reps on a weight I was doing for five reps a few months ago.

    So after one month, things are kind of "Meh, but slightly fatter".
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    edited May 2015
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    The graph! I forgot it. Blue dots are scale measurements, red line is weighted average, thin blue line is .5 lb/week.

    I may be headed for another plateau, judging by the way things are heading. If that's the case I'll bump it up by another 100 calories but I won't really know until the end of the week.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Also, gym results: 3x5 125# OHP, 3x5 225# squat.

    Pretty good! The OHP is a PR.
  • terizius
    terizius Posts: 425 Member
    Nice! Pretty on track with the .5 lb/wk gain. And, getting stronger!
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    It seems so!
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    Thanks to food, I finally got two plates on the OHP.

    135, only twice.

    But still, I can cross that off my list.
  • keithcw_the_first
    keithcw_the_first Posts: 382 Member
    So, this is still happening. I think @terizius was the only other person providing ongoing blow-by-blow of his bulk?
    • I'm about nine weeks in. Picture, calipers, they're all showing fat gains. They're subtle but they're occurring.
    • I've held it to .6 pounds gained per week, which is a little higher than I was shooting for so I knocked 100 calories off of my daily goal to try and level things off for a bit and get back on target. Memorial Day weekend seemed to launch me to a new plateau or something.
    • Happily, my lifts are progressing across the board. The big ones, at least. I'm at 205x4 on the bench, but I'd like to be at 225x5. I don't know if that's in the scope of the current bulk.
    • I've also added 25# to my calculated 1RM for squat.
    • I'm probably hanging out in the 16% or 17% neighborhood so I have a little ways to go before I need to stop, I think.

    Here's the weight chart. Top line is 1lb./week. Bottom line is .5lb./week. The big fat red line is my rolling average which, you can see, kind of started to get away from me for a minute.

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    Cheers.
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