Eating Paleo, Dreaming of Grain

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  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
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    Are sweet potatoes not carbs? What about normal potatoes? Can I eat a load of fries or a 200g of potato chips if I'm paleoing?
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    My understanding is that Paleo doesn't have to be low carb but not sure of the Whole30 variation. If you aren't looking to get keto adapted I would up your carbs. I'm not particularly against any specific diet as far as weight loss goes but I also don't buy into any one either. I think you might want to re-evaluate what works for you and try something else.

    Best of luck.
  • sweetd6
    sweetd6 Posts: 74 Member
    edited May 2015
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    You've got plenty of carbs there in your fruits, juice, veggies and sweet potato. I'll bet if you logged it all you would have as many carb grams as protein, if not more. Yes, you have no grains, and your hankering for them could be more psychological than true carb deprivation. But if you yearn for grains, eat them, you don't have to eat Paleo. A lot of people like it and adapt to it and cutting out all grains, legumes and dairy is a way to create a calorie deficit for sure. But it's really hard to eat in this society without all those food groups, we are NOT cavemen anymore.
  • ljmorgi
    ljmorgi Posts: 264 Member
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    CountryMom03 wrote: »
    ...but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores.

    ...is the human program written in Pascal or C++?

  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,139 Member
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    MalineVD wrote: »
    @ndj1979 really? that's your comment? Just because you thinks it's *kitten*, doesn't mean it couldn't work well for other people. Paleo isn't about eating buffalo's in your cave. It's about trying to be natural and pure and don't consume too much processed food, but focusing on nutrients our body needs. At least, that's my opinion and vision on paleo and the way I eat. Before someone else starts bashing too.
    Paleo is also just a name..
    You should support people who care enough about their health to try and eat in a more natural way.

    So you admit to not eating Paleo, but you still do Paleo?

    Also, I am sorry but if you are doing to call something "The Paleolithic Diet" then don't you think it should be similar to what the actual diet of Paleolithic People is?

    If I said I was on the "Steak and Potatoes Diet" but that i just eat fish and vegetables all the time, then you would find that ridiculous as well.

    It is not my job to support anything.

  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
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    ljmorgi wrote: »
    CountryMom03 wrote: »
    ...but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores.

    ...is the human program written in Pascal or C++?

    Sometimes I feel like I've been written in BASIC.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,139 Member
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    darrensurrey wrote: »
    Are sweet potatoes not carbs? What about normal potatoes? Can I eat a load of fries or a 200g of potato chips if I'm paleoing?

    who knows…apparently you can claim Paleo but not eat anything like Paleo Peoples but still be paleo …sounds like a legit way of eating...
  • Whitezombiegirl
    Whitezombiegirl Posts: 1,042 Member
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    TimothyFish wrote: »
    You know, even Adam and Eve ate bread, so if the goal is to eat the way people used to eat, eat some bread.

    Yes, but they are also fictional characters. (imo)
  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
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    Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
    My understanding is that Paleo doesn't have to be low carb

    Good point. It's just stuff that was around when we couldn't speak proply. What was wheat doing back in the paleo era?
  • Sabine_Stroehm
    Sabine_Stroehm Posts: 19,263 Member
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    TimothyFish wrote: »
    You know, even Adam and Eve ate bread, so if the goal is to eat the way people used to eat, eat some bread.

    That's not the goal of a whole30.
  • pawamonster
    pawamonster Posts: 23 Member
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    Wow! I didn't expect to stir up such passion with my original post. Thanks, all, for the insight!
  • Dahamac
    Dahamac Posts: 213 Member
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    If you want to stay on the Paleo-diet style diet (we all know its not truly Paleolithic) then you'll need to add the good carbs when you do heavy cardio days. Think foods like Bananas, Raisins, Dates, and other such high fructose foods.

    The carbs in veggies are the good complex carbs but for heavy cardio you'll need some glycogen replacement and that comes from the higher GI simple carbs in fruit.

    http://home.trainingpeaks.com/blog/article/a-quick-guide-to-the-paleo-diet-for-athletes
  • sweetd6
    sweetd6 Posts: 74 Member
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    darrensurrey wrote: »
    Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
    My understanding is that Paleo doesn't have to be low carb

    Good point. It's just stuff that was around when we couldn't speak proply. What was wheat doing back in the paleo era?

    Growing wild, not being used because it's poisonous unless crushed into flour? LOL... before agriculture, wheat was not eaten in any form. We didn't know how to use it.
  • CountryMom03
    CountryMom03 Posts: 258 Member
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    ndj1979 wrote: »
    CountryMom03 wrote: »
    The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!

    LOL oh really …

    what would those differences be?????

    Google and Google Scholar is your friend:) No need to bash, its just my personal opinion and what Ive learned and feel to be true and works for me. Paleo doesnt work for some people just like relying solely on calorie reduction doesnt work me...diff folks, diff bodies, diff ways to reach our goal...its all good:)

  • PaveGurl
    PaveGurl Posts: 244 Member
    edited May 2015
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    I've been eating mostly Whole30-style for a bit, but low-carb is not part of it. Why not incorporate more carb-based veggies? I like roasted carrots and turnips, sweet potatoes, buternut squash, beets, and other good roots veggies to get my carbs in. Added bonus is they are bulky and tend to help me feel like I've got volume in my food.

  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
    edited May 2015
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    CountryMom03 wrote: »
    The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!

    Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.

    ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
  • LKArgh
    LKArgh Posts: 5,179 Member
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    CountryMom03 wrote: »
    The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!

    Because everything else is just the same? How animals are raised, tomatoes are grown and so on? Unless the idea is to join some long lost tribe in the Amazon, and live picking fruit from the jungle and hunting wild animals, I cannot understand why exactly how grains are grown and processed matters, but where the burger or tomato came from is not a problem.
  • MalineVD
    MalineVD Posts: 649 Member
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    @ndj1979 I call it Paleo, because it's the name that fits best with the way I eat and that way people just know right away what I eat and what I don't. Everybody knows it's kinda impossible to eat exactly what Paleolithic people ate, because the food we have now, isn't the same as they had then. As I said, for me Paleo stands for eating in a natural way, with pure products and basically no processed food. I really can't see anything wrong with that?
    And with the support here, I meant that it's kinda harsh to just tell a person to ditch the paleo and do it your way. At least they are trying and doing an effort to improve their health.

    ps. excuses if I make any mistakes in English, it's not my first language.
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
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    MalineVD wrote: »
    @ndj1979 really? that's your comment? Just because you thinks it's *kitten*, doesn't mean it couldn't work well for other people. Paleo isn't about eating buffalo's in your cave. It's about trying to be natural and pure and don't consume too much processed food, but focusing on nutrients our body needs. At least, that's my opinion and vision on paleo and the way I eat. Before someone else starts bashing too.
    Paleo is also just a name..
    You should support people who care enough about their health to try and eat in a more natural way.

    There's a sort of presumption there, that other ways of eating don't focus on nutrition. It's false.

    Dairy's not nutritious because it's processed? Beans have no nutrition because of some vague woo about phytic acid? There's a lot of psedo-science behind what's considered "natural" and not in Paleo circles. That's the problem a lot of us have with it.

    I have no problems with people wanting to eat nutrient-dense foods. None at all. But the claims made in paleo circles about the foods they won't eat are specious.

    Also? Put five Paleo eaters in a room. They'll all eat different things, and it's not because of taste preference, it'll be down to whose blogs they read.

    I won't even go into how foolish it is to call it "Paleo". Real Paleolithic people ate whatever they could get their grubby little hands on to survive, and none of it looked like what's on your plate now.

  • darrensurrey
    darrensurrey Posts: 3,942 Member
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    sweetd6 wrote: »
    darrensurrey wrote: »
    Wheelhouse15 wrote: »
    My understanding is that Paleo doesn't have to be low carb

    Good point. It's just stuff that was around when we couldn't speak proply. What was wheat doing back in the paleo era?

    Growing wild, not being used because it's poisonous unless crushed into flour? LOL... before agriculture, wheat was not eaten in any form. We didn't know how to use it.

    Oh, didn't know that, not being a farmer. I just eat cake.
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