Eating Paleo, Dreaming of Grain
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I would take the orange juice out and replace it with a whole apple. Processed juices can have lots of sugar(they do add extra fructose) in them. Unless you make your own.
Remember to change what foods you eat each day or you will get bored quickly. You want meals to be 350-400 calories each.
Remember Carbs are energy for you. You can get these from all veggies. You start high in the carbs in the morning....... and drops. That could be the reason for you being tired! Just increase your afternoon carbs and see how that goes.
so the sugar in orange juice is now worse than the apple sugar??? That is a new one.
The sugar in orange juice is not slowed by the natural fiber found in the whole fruit. Eat a whole orange, not the juice alone. One Paleo principle that anyone who knows how the human metabolism works can live by.0 -
pawamonster wrote: »People get passionate about junk information being passed about as if it were from Moses on Mt. Sinai. That's what gets people's ire up.
Then other people get all defensive because they get called out on their information that they can't verify with a reputable scientific source.
I was one of those people once - the one spouting off about processed this and chemicals that and I was put in my place here, about a year ago I guess. I skulked off with my tail between my legs and then really thought about everything that the Mean People here were saying...and I also considered my own craziness at trying to find the "right foods to eat so I'm not poisoning my family or myself" - and how distressing the whole thing is every time a new "report" comes out saying this is bad but this other thing is now good, and not bad anymore, and coffee is going to kill you and coffee is a health food and the dang olive oil you're buying is rancid but wait, this brand is not...and on and on an on. Books like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and Eat to Live and every other "new fad" you can think of are churned out quickly, seems like every week there's something new - making authors and publishers a lot of money...meanwhile...
What gets people stirred up? Fear. Don't eat this or you'll get sick. This is poison. This will kill you. This is a toxin you need to be rid of it. You need to stop eating that poison food and eat this food...blah blah blah blah.
If you read any articles on how to market well, (I'm in real estate so I have looked into ways to market homes...) one of the top things in successful marketing is to instill fear... or even more specifically... fear of loss. (This is why you see realtors put things like "Won't last! Act now or it will be gone!" on listings..) In the subject of food - well, people fear the loss of longevity and good health...so these marketing campaigns trigger a response.
Pavlov's dogs if you will..
TL; DR - yeah, sorry. I ramble.
Speak, @wizzybeth. I didn't expect this thread to explode like this, but I should have seen it coming. Did you see the interview I linked above to the interview about food purity and religious thought?
I have it bookmarked...I have to get to work now and stop lollygagging on the computer, lol
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »Here's a recipe for you @ndj1979
http://www.instructables.com/id/HomeMade-Raw-Almond-Butter/
Simple stuff - the ingredients are all considered Paleo. How one "made" it in the "era" is immaterial here. The key issue is ingredients - and whether processing it by man introduces an ingredient that would "taint" the actual result.
1 + 1 = 2. How did I get to 2? By taking 1 and adding 1 to it. That makes 2. That means 2 is a derivative of 1 and 1. Can you handle this?
You are more intelligent than this ridiculous method by which you try to constructively criticize someone's post. It's not up to everyone to prove to you whether something is or isn't, it's up to you to figure it out yourself. That's how lawyers work - they must know both sides of the argument - that means you have to know all the facts before deciding to place the burden of proof on someone else.
The problem with Paleo or any of it's sister diets is that it really isn't what it claims to be...the rules keep changing and when they change too much it gets a new name...ie Paleo+eggs+dairy=Primal.
There are no set rules to follow really and it eliminates a lot of food....why?
That food does you no harm when eaten in moderation....
We can't know all the facts because those keep changing hence the issue.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »OP, I think you learned a valuable lesson. Adopting a way of eating because it's trendy or sounds interesting is all well and fine, but if it doesn't work for you, it's not a sustainable thing. And ultimately, we all need to craft a personalized diet for ourselves that sustains us, body and soul.
Eat foods that you like, that fuel your activities, nourish your body, and eat them in reasonable portions to meet your goals. It's really that simple.
You don't need to adopt any special rules or way of eating to do that.
So my cross fit instructor who is nationally ranked top 10 in Strongman for his weightclass while overcoming severe Chrone's disease is wrong for following Paleo? I don't think so!0 -
i do mostly paleo (i say 'mostly' because i have 1tsp of sugar with my coffee and on the odd occasion, i'll have a bit of shredded cheese with whatever it is i'm cooking because it's cheese) but in terms of food, i'm like, 99% paleo. i have amazing energy and when i started this way of eating, i didn't have any trouble at all with the transition or energy levels. fyi - paleo is not 'low carb'; it's eating foods that can be naturally harvested - meats, roots, seeds, veggies, fruits....that sort of thing.... no processed junk; no grains etc. i dont really like labelling the way i eat; i just prefer to eat naturally.
bump up your healthy fat intake - like half an avocado. squashes are great - i made a wonderful roasted buttercup squash last night with 1tbsp coconut oil, salt and pepper. tonight i'll be making roasted butternut squash with thyme. there are a ton of paleo recipes on pinterest
cheese is naturally harvested?
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Do read it. And consider it broadly.pawamonster wrote: »People get passionate about junk information being passed about as if it were from Moses on Mt. Sinai. That's what gets people's ire up.
Then other people get all defensive because they get called out on their information that they can't verify with a reputable scientific source.
I was one of those people once - the one spouting off about processed this and chemicals that and I was put in my place here, about a year ago I guess. I skulked off with my tail between my legs and then really thought about everything that the Mean People here were saying...and I also considered my own craziness at trying to find the "right foods to eat so I'm not poisoning my family or myself" - and how distressing the whole thing is every time a new "report" comes out saying this is bad but this other thing is now good, and not bad anymore, and coffee is going to kill you and coffee is a health food and the dang olive oil you're buying is rancid but wait, this brand is not...and on and on an on. Books like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and Eat to Live and every other "new fad" you can think of are churned out quickly, seems like every week there's something new - making authors and publishers a lot of money...meanwhile...
What gets people stirred up? Fear. Don't eat this or you'll get sick. This is poison. This will kill you. This is a toxin you need to be rid of it. You need to stop eating that poison food and eat this food...blah blah blah blah.
If you read any articles on how to market well, (I'm in real estate so I have looked into ways to market homes...) one of the top things in successful marketing is to instill fear... or even more specifically... fear of loss. (This is why you see realtors put things like "Won't last! Act now or it will be gone!" on listings..) In the subject of food - well, people fear the loss of longevity and good health...so these marketing campaigns trigger a response.
Pavlov's dogs if you will..
TL; DR - yeah, sorry. I ramble.
Speak, @wizzybeth. I didn't expect this thread to explode like this, but I should have seen it coming. Did you see the interview I linked above to the interview about food purity and religious thought?
I have it bookmarked...I have to get to work now and stop lollygagging on the computer, lol
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
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KombuchaCat wrote: »darrensurrey wrote: »Are sweet potatoes not carbs? What about normal potatoes? Can I eat a load of fries or a 200g of potato chips if I'm paleoing?
who knows…apparently you can claim Paleo but not eat anything like Paleo Peoples but still be paleo …sounds like a legit way of eating...
There is no way we could eat exactly as our caveman ancestors did. However we can use the principles of how they ate and apply them to our choices in the current environment.
OK - so it is the "Apply the eating techniques of Paleo People to the modern world diet" now?
You do realize that Paleo peole just ate to survive right? I mean they did not have a "technique of eating" they ate to survive....0 -
pawamonster wrote: »People get passionate about junk information being passed about as if it were from Moses on Mt. Sinai. That's what gets people's ire up.
Then other people get all defensive because they get called out on their information that they can't verify with a reputable scientific source.
I was one of those people once - the one spouting off about processed this and chemicals that and I was put in my place here, about a year ago I guess. I skulked off with my tail between my legs and then really thought about everything that the Mean People here were saying...and I also considered my own craziness at trying to find the "right foods to eat so I'm not poisoning my family or myself" - and how distressing the whole thing is every time a new "report" comes out saying this is bad but this other thing is now good, and not bad anymore, and coffee is going to kill you and coffee is a health food and the dang olive oil you're buying is rancid but wait, this brand is not...and on and on an on. Books like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and Eat to Live and every other "new fad" you can think of are churned out quickly, seems like every week there's something new - making authors and publishers a lot of money...meanwhile...
What gets people stirred up? Fear. Don't eat this or you'll get sick. This is poison. This will kill you. This is a toxin you need to be rid of it. You need to stop eating that poison food and eat this food...blah blah blah blah.
If you read any articles on how to market well, (I'm in real estate so I have looked into ways to market homes...) one of the top things in successful marketing is to instill fear... or even more specifically... fear of loss. (This is why you see realtors put things like "Won't last! Act now or it will be gone!" on listings..) In the subject of food - well, people fear the loss of longevity and good health...so these marketing campaigns trigger a response.
Pavlov's dogs if you will..
TL; DR - yeah, sorry. I ramble.
Speak, @wizzybeth. I didn't expect this thread to explode like this, but I should have seen it coming. Did you see the interview I linked above to the interview about food purity and religious thought?
Welcome to MFP.
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http://www.amazon.com/Diet-Cults-Surprising-Fallacy-Nutrition/dp/1605988294
http://strengthcoachtaylor.ca/uncategorized/the-paleo-diet-is-just-marketing-hype/
I tried Paleo, didn't do anything special for me, didn't like it overall.....
Thanks for the links. Here are my two favorite parts from each.
and
"It isn’t the BEST diet and it cuts out a lot of stuff you really don’t have to cut out based on some quackery false as f@ck pseudoscience."
Great reads!
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KombuchaCat wrote: »darrensurrey wrote: »Are sweet potatoes not carbs? What about normal potatoes? Can I eat a load of fries or a 200g of potato chips if I'm paleoing?
who knows…apparently you can claim Paleo but not eat anything like Paleo Peoples but still be paleo …sounds like a legit way of eating...
There is no way we could eat exactly as our caveman ancestors did. However we can use the principles of how they ate and apply them to our choices in the current environment.
The only principle was eat what didn't kill you.0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »Here's a recipe for you @ndj1979
http://www.instructables.com/id/HomeMade-Raw-Almond-Butter/
Simple stuff - the ingredients are all considered Paleo. How one "made" it in the "era" is immaterial here. The key issue is ingredients - and whether processing it by man introduces an ingredient that would "taint" the actual result.
1 + 1 = 2. How did I get to 2? By taking 1 and adding 1 to it. That makes 2. That means 2 is a derivative of 1 and 1. Can you handle this?
You are more intelligent than this ridiculous method by which you try to constructively criticize someone's post. It's not up to everyone to prove to you whether something is or isn't, it's up to you to figure it out yourself. That's how lawyers work - they must know both sides of the argument - that means you have to know all the facts before deciding to place the burden of proof on someone else.
from the article..
Picture of Ingrediants & Supplies Needed
Items Needed:
1. food processor
2. spatula
3. 1 cup (for measuring)
4. 1 Tbsp. (for measuring)
5. Raw Almonds
6. Sea Salt (optional)
7. Coconut Oil( or oil of your choosing)
8. Container (for storing Almond Butter)
who knew, Paleotlithic people had food processors, cups, and tabelspoons.....????0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.
ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
Those "hype books" are all backed by scientific studies and very in depth research. You just have to go and read them because they are not told to us by our media and big pharma for obvious reasons. No Im not going to list them all, if you cared about it, you would go and research them out yourself but your just wanting to sit here and argue. And if you had of read the second part of my post, I said that not all diets or ways of loosing works for everyone. So good for you that eating all the grain you want as long as it fits into your caloric intake and deficit still enables you to loose weight...it didnt for me, and doesnt for alot of people, not to mention increasing your risks of many other illnesses and disorders. Hope that you have a blessed day:)
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.0 -
biased researchCountryMom03 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.
ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
Those "hype books" are all backed by scientific studies and very in depth research. You just have to go and read them because they are not told to us by our media and big pharma for obvious reasons. No Im not going to list them all, if you cared about it, you would go and research them out yourself but your just wanting to sit here and argue. And if you had of read the second part of my post, I said that not all diets or ways of loosing works for everyone. So good for you that eating all the grain you want as long as it fits into your caloric intake and deficit still enables you to loose weight...it didnt for me, and doesnt for alot of people, not to mention increasing your risks of many other illnesses and disorders. Hope that you have a blessed day:)
and what illnesses and disorders?
If you eat a well balanced diet consisting of all types of foods, exercise and live a healthy life how can you get illnesses and disorders that those who don't eat well balanced diets not get?
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KombuchaCat wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »OP, I think you learned a valuable lesson. Adopting a way of eating because it's trendy or sounds interesting is all well and fine, but if it doesn't work for you, it's not a sustainable thing. And ultimately, we all need to craft a personalized diet for ourselves that sustains us, body and soul.
Eat foods that you like, that fuel your activities, nourish your body, and eat them in reasonable portions to meet your goals. It's really that simple.
You don't need to adopt any special rules or way of eating to do that.
So my cross fit instructor who is nationally ranked top 10 in Strongman for his weightclass while overcoming severe Chrone's disease is wrong for following Paleo? I don't think so!
You realize that you cannot take someone with a disease and apply it to the general population right?
Also, said name of Crossfit Strongman plz
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CountryMom03 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.
ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
Those "hype books" are all backed by scientific studies and very in depth research. You just have to go and read them because they are not told to us by our media and big pharma for obvious reasons. No Im not going to list them all, if you cared about it, you would go and research them out yourself but your just wanting to sit here and argue. And if you had of read the second part of my post, I said that not all diets or ways of loosing works for everyone. So good for you that eating all the grain you want as long as it fits into your caloric intake and deficit still enables you to loose weight...it didnt for me, and doesnt for alot of people, not to mention increasing your risks of many other illnesses and disorders. Hope that you have a blessed day:)
That is called "cherry picking". These authors cherry pick research to fit their agenda because they know the layperson ie the people who don't "do science" will not look into the full text of the references.
http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/how-to-create-a-fad-diet/
"#5 – Cherry pick the research. If you want to add a little optional bling to your website, you can link to research supporting your diet. Now, there won’t be any research that actually indicates your diet works, but don’t worry about that. You can cherry pick studies that appear to support your diet. For example, if your diet is low in carbohydrates, then link to studies showing some change in a petri dish with low carbs, or short term effects from a low carb diet, or any apparent advantage to lowering carbohydrates. You don’t even have to read the studies, just look for titles that seem impressive and seem to support your diet. Most people won’t click the links to read and understand the research anyway."0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...0 -
CountryMom03 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.
ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
Those "hype books" are all backed by scientific studies and very in depth research. You just have to go and read them because they are not told to us by our media and big pharma for obvious reasons. No Im not going to list them all, if you cared about it, you would go and research them out yourself but your just wanting to sit here and argue. And if you had of read the second part of my post, I said that not all diets or ways of loosing works for everyone. So good for you that eating all the grain you want as long as it fits into your caloric intake and deficit still enables you to loose weight...it didnt for me, and doesnt for alot of people, not to mention increasing your risks of many other illnesses and disorders. Hope that you have a blessed day:)
Sorry, I don't do the conspiracy theory stuff and I have a science background.You seem like a good person so I won't getting into an argument with you but start reading Dr. Katz and others for more balanced info.0 -
CountryMom03 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
Really? Please confirm with real sources this thing about new grains and how they are so bad for us. I mean with real sources and not hype books.
ETA btw have you seen MY wheat belly? How about by Grain Brain? Yeah it's hard to be a strategic planner with all the grains I eat. I personally hate bumper sticker pseudo science.
Those "hype books" are all backed by scientific studies and very in depth research. You just have to go and read them because they are not told to us by our media and big pharma for obvious reasons. No Im not going to list them all, if you cared about it, you would go and research them out yourself but your just wanting to sit here and argue. And if you had of read the second part of my post, I said that not all diets or ways of loosing works for everyone. So good for you that eating all the grain you want as long as it fits into your caloric intake and deficit still enables you to loose weight...it didnt for me, and doesnt for alot of people, not to mention increasing your risks of many other illnesses and disorders. Hope that you have a blessed day:)
so you can't link us to peer reviewed studies proving your point?
oh, and gets on tin foil hat and heads for the basement...0 -
Hmm, not all Paleo diets are equal. I thought wheat was the devil, but quinoa was okay.
What I have noticed is that diet alone, with no exercise works for weight loss, and exercise alone works for weight loss. But when people train intensely, and also limit calories, I don't think they are doing themselves any favors.
They may lose weight quickly, but they are pretty miserable and fanatical.
Two years ago, I did intensive exercise class, 3 days a week of intense training, and I was starving hungry during the first week. I increased calories, got great shape and tone, not so much weight loss, but I looked great.
Maybe increase calories on exercise days, especially if you are doing intense workouts. Higher fats, or whatever you can eat. But I don't suggest limit calories and do intense workouts.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Sadly, you are wrong since you can see that so many believe that it's the way we did eat, or at least a reasonable modern variation. Not sure what these big historical changes we aways here about are since we have been genetically modifying our food since we first learned how to thousands of years ago. Again, I want to see proof that what we eat today is so much different and why it's now so bad.
So far crickets.0 -
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...
I looked up a little history lesson for you, just because I'm nice (and it only took about five seconds). This is in reply to your original question wanting someone to 'prove' that the grains today are different than they were pre-1960s. (Which was a bizarre question in the first place.)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/011612_Modern-Wheat-Really-Isnt-Wheat-At-All.shtml
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pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »OP: there's a group doing a whole30 right now. They may have some suggestions for how to manage it better. Good luck.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/105519-whole30-may-june-2015
Thanks so much! I'll check it out.
Do. Folks in those groups typically post their menus etc. to help folks along. Have you noticed any allergies or inflammations improving since beginning?
No. Weight aside, I'm an otherwise pretty healthy and strong person, and I generally cook healthy, fresh foods from scratch. I've been slowly losing the weight I rapidly gained through reasonable eating and exercise. I'm not looking at Whole30 as any sort of life-changer or diet. I'm just trying something different to shake up the way I think about cooking. Cutting grains is an interesting challenge.
I sort of wish this turn of phrase would replace "Paleo". I'm a vegetarian who cooks fresh foods from scratch too. Now, I don't mind using canned tomato products, they're usually better than fresh, but honestly, some of the labels on an old fashioned diet comprised of simple foods that are scratch-cooked are just pretentious.
Editing to add that I scratch cook because I'm a good cook and enjoy the taste better. I don't think there's anything wrong with eating packaged food or picking up a rotisserie chicken.
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The thing is, 99% of the people who currently think that Paleo is the perfect way to eat will be on to something else in a few years. Likely "The Refined Carb Diet", based on the belief that by 'purifying' we turn grains into 'superfoods' which are effortlessly and perfectly absorbed by our bodies.0
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...
I looked up a little history lesson for you, just because I'm nice (and it only took about five seconds). This is in reply to your original question wanting someone to 'prove' that the grains today are different than they were pre-1960s. (Which was a bizarre question in the first place.)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/011612_Modern-Wheat-Really-Isnt-Wheat-At-All.shtml
really...from the same site that brings us such riveting articles as these
My fav on the list is...."The Facts, Stats and dangers of Soda Pop"0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...
I looked up a little history lesson for you, just because I'm nice (and it only took about five seconds). This is in reply to your original question wanting someone to 'prove' that the grains today are different than they were pre-1960s. (Which was a bizarre question in the first place.)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/011612_Modern-Wheat-Really-Isnt-Wheat-At-All.shtml
really...from the same site that brings us such riveting articles as these
My fav on the list is...."The Facts, Stats and dangers of Soda Pop"
I noted all the "sources" are other conspiracy theory sites.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...
I looked up a little history lesson for you, just because I'm nice (and it only took about five seconds). This is in reply to your original question wanting someone to 'prove' that the grains today are different than they were pre-1960s. (Which was a bizarre question in the first place.)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/011612_Modern-Wheat-Really-Isnt-Wheat-At-All.shtml
Lol....
Well that's an unbiased source if I've ever seen one.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.
Yes, it is about almond butter. The person said they eat paleo and eat almond butter, my point is that almond butter was not consumed by paleolithic people; hence, it is not paleo.
Yes or No, did paleolithic people eat almond butter?
I think you like being deliberately obtuse.
You know full well that 'Paleo' is just a name used for marketing purposes; it doesn't literally mean that people who follow this WOE eat exactly as Paleolithic people ate.
And you also know full well (I hope) that wheat production went through vast changes in the 1950s and 60s; this is a matter of historical fact not something you need a research paper to prove. Whether you think that today's wheat is better or worse for you than the stuff your grandmother cooked with depends on whose story you choose to believe.
Thank you for proving my point that Paleo is just a marketing scam that has nothing to do with the actual Paleolithic era.
And since the other poster will not, please link us to research showing the differences in grain production and how that adversely affects modern man...
I looked up a little history lesson for you, just because I'm nice (and it only took about five seconds). This is in reply to your original question wanting someone to 'prove' that the grains today are different than they were pre-1960s. (Which was a bizarre question in the first place.)
http://preventdisease.com/news/12/011612_Modern-Wheat-Really-Isnt-Wheat-At-All.shtml
Lol....
Well that's an unbiased source if I've ever seen one.
Now, now, remember, if it's on the Internet it MUST be true.0
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