Eating Paleo, Dreaming of Grain
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….0 -
Another point - no matter how or what you eat, you should never deprive yourself or feel deprived. This is exactly the issue - it's not whether one is eating a specific diet that causes deprivation, it's whether one is eating enough to not feel deprived. That's the trick in any diet - diet meaning not the bad four letter word.
That's why it's best eating with nutrition in mind - nutrition defined here as eating nutrient-dense foods - no matter the lifestyle diet of choice.
I lost a ton of weight in the past year and I never felt once deprived of anything. I am always full - and that helps me regulate my intake over the long run.0 -
@tedboosalis7 Exactly. Thank you.
@wizzybeth I come from Belgium and it's only since last year that people are beginning to know Paleo. I've been eating like this before anyone in my surroundings even knew what it was. And even now most people around here don't even know I've been struggling with a lot of healthproblems and no doctor could ever tell me what the causes were. Then I started experimenting with food and since I tried Paleo (I just use this name, because it kinda describes best how I eat), I haven't been sick anymore. No more hospitals, surgeries, morphine for the pain. It may be trending now and people are using it for marketing or whatevers, for me it's working. 0 -
@ndj1979 I call it Paleo, because it's the name that fits best with the way I eat and that way people just know right away what I eat and what I don't. Everybody knows it's kinda impossible to eat exactly what Paleolithic people ate, because the food we have now, isn't the same as they had then. As I said, for me Paleo stands for eating in a natural way, with pure products and basically no processed food. I really can't see anything wrong with that?
And with the support here, I meant that it's kinda harsh to just tell a person to ditch the paleo and do it your way. At least they are trying and doing an effort to improve their health.
ps. excuses if I make any mistakes in English, it's not my first language.
actually, we have a pretty good idea what Paleotlithic people ate, because there is this cool thing called science and Archeology that looks into these things. Most Paleo people ate regionally specific to their region, and their diet would of been grubs, plants, raw meat, etc.
And no, almond butter was not on that list….0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
You're mistaking his goals for posting here.
pray tell, what are my goals? Since you seem to have such an intimate knowledge of them...
Nice use of "pray tell". You don't see a lot of "pray tell" these days, which is unfortunate.0 -
CountryMom03 wrote: »CountryMom03 wrote: »The grain we have today vs the grain we had back in the old ages up until around 1960's are totally diff, and also grown and processed differently on top of that. Low carbs does mean lack of energy but only because we have programmed our bodies to only burn carbs as fuel instead of burning our fat stores. It can take awhile for your body to get used to the change. The lethargy also very well could be your detox or rather "withdrawal: from grains, and the body does go through a withdrawal process. Thats just how addicting grain is. I had a few days of just pure crappiness, and then at about 2 wks it was amazing and I felt like a brand new person:) If you'd like to read up some more on it, theres tons of videos on YT about grain, but I think two of the best would be Grain Brain and Wheat Belly:) This of course is just my personal opinion, that may or may not be right, You can find well renowned scientist, specialist and doctors who can argue both sides well, but its worked for me in the past, loved the results in how I felt health wise and I personally trust all the evidence they have on it as being true:) Good Luck!!
LOL oh really …
what would those differences be?????
Google and Google Scholar is your friend:) No need to bash, its just my personal opinion and what Ive learned and feel to be true and works for me. Paleo doesnt work for some people just like relying solely on calorie reduction doesnt work me...diff folks, diff bodies, diff ways to reach our goal...its all good:)
sorry that is not how it works. You made a claim about grain 10,000 years ago vs grain post 1960, and got called on it. It is your job to provide reputable sources to back up your position, not mine. So please link me to research the shows this. FYI - Marks Daily Apple is not a reputable source.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
On the other side of the world right now, there's a sleeping archaeologist @Nony_Mouse. There. I just Betelgeused her in here.
If you want real Paleo info, she's got it. Not some Paleo blogs.
haha @mamapeach910 you always crack me up I like reading your posts!0 -
pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »OP: there's a group doing a whole30 right now. They may have some suggestions for how to manage it better. Good luck.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/105519-whole30-may-june-2015
Thanks so much! I'll check it out.
Do. Folks in those groups typically post their menus etc. to help folks along. Have you noticed any allergies or inflammations improving since beginning?0 -
softblondechick wrote: »Why is a "diet" about deprivation? Is it a test of self control and will ppwer?
In review of your diet, for dinner you could have stayed Paleo, and had a cup of quinoa, that would have stayed Paleo, and increased carbs.
No, because for whole30, quinoa is the devil. Otherwise, how would the people behind the idea been original and sold their book?
Why is quinoa the devil for Whole 30?
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mamapeach910 wrote: »softblondechick wrote: »Why is a "diet" about deprivation? Is it a test of self control and will ppwer?
In review of your diet, for dinner you could have stayed Paleo, and had a cup of quinoa, that would have stayed Paleo, and increased carbs.
No, because for whole30, quinoa is the devil. Otherwise, how would the people behind the idea been original and sold their book?
Why is quinoa the devil for Whole 30?
because the book has to look different than paleo, or no one will buy it?0 -
i do mostly paleo (i say 'mostly' because i have 1tsp of sugar with my coffee and on the odd occasion, i'll have a bit of shredded cheese with whatever it is i'm cooking because it's cheese) but in terms of food, i'm like, 99% paleo. i have amazing energy and when i started this way of eating, i didn't have any trouble at all with the transition or energy levels. fyi - paleo is not 'low carb'; it's eating foods that can be naturally harvested - meats, roots, seeds, veggies, fruits....that sort of thing.... no processed junk; no grains etc. i dont really like labelling the way i eat; i just prefer to eat naturally.
bump up your healthy fat intake - like half an avocado. squashes are great - i made a wonderful roasted buttercup squash last night with 1tbsp coconut oil, salt and pepper. tonight i'll be making roasted butternut squash with thyme. there are a ton of paleo recipes on pinterest 0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
On the other side of the world right now, there's a sleeping archaeologist @Nony_Mouse. There. I just Betelgeused her in here.
If you want real Paleo info, she's got it. Not some Paleo blogs.
haha @mamapeach910 you always crack me up I like reading your posts!
Awwww, thanks!
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i do mostly paleo (i say 'mostly' because i have 1tsp of sugar with my coffee and on the odd occasion, i'll have a bit of shredded cheese with whatever it is i'm cooking because it's cheese) but in terms of food, i'm like, 99% paleo. i have amazing energy and when i started this way of eating, i didn't have any trouble at all with the transition or energy levels. fyi - paleo is not 'low carb'; it's eating foods that can be naturally harvested - meats, roots, seeds, veggies, fruits....that sort of thing.... no processed junk; no grains etc.
i made a wonderful roasted buttercup squash last night with 1tbsp coconut oil, salt and pepper. tonight i'll be making roasted butternut squash with thyme.
Grains cannot be naturally harvested? Milk is processed junk? But burgers are natural?
Coconut oil is more natural than milk? And paleolithic people used salt and coconut oil and pepper?
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I did a Whole 30 a little over a year ago and I actually felt pretty fantastic after the first week. I had plenty of energy and was in a pretty good mood for the duration. But I thought about bread and other carby delights the entire time and as soon as my 30 days was up I went crazy, I probably ate twice as many carbs as I normally ate. I gained back all of the weight (which was probably mainly water weight from dropping carbs) and then some. Eliminating whole groups of food works for some people, but it doesn't for others and there is nothing wrong with that. If you really want it (and if you're dreaming about it, you probably do!) have some oatmeal, maybe some toast, just log the calories and enjoy!0
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This!!!!!!Until people realize that most of these new diet trends come out because someone saw a way to make a buck selling books, cookbooks, meal plans, recipe cards, generate ads on blog posts....and that they're really just being herded into a Marketing Corral, people will insist on "This is the new best way to eat."
The majority of this "healthy diet" info we are being blasted with is slick marketing, and little else.0 -
pawamonster wrote: »Alan Levinovitz gave an interview to the Atlantic on food purity and religious thought, and it's fascinating to see it play out in this thread. For those of you who are interested, here's some of what he said:
"Ideas about religion can be so powerful that people can't endorse them without giving up a part of their identity. It's the same thing with diets. If you've adopted a diet and it's become part of your identity, asking someone to reconsider something as simple as eating sugar or gluten is kind of like asking someone to give up their faith. To admit that the core of their identity is fundamentally mistaken."
If you want to read the whole interview, it's here: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/the-puritanical-approach-to-food/392030/
I think he's on to something there. Judging from this forum, not even asking someone to reconsider what they're eating, but just sharing that you prefer a different way of eating to theirs, seems to inspire a certain vitriol.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »OP: there's a group doing a whole30 right now. They may have some suggestions for how to manage it better. Good luck.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/105519-whole30-may-june-2015
Thanks so much! I'll check it out.
Do. Folks in those groups typically post their menus etc. to help folks along. Have you noticed any allergies or inflammations improving since beginning?
No. Weight aside, I'm an otherwise pretty healthy and strong person, and I generally cook healthy, fresh foods from scratch. I've been slowly losing the weight I rapidly gained through reasonable eating and exercise. I'm not looking at Whole30 as any sort of life-changer or diet. I'm just trying something different to shake up the way I think about cooking. Cutting grains is an interesting challenge.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »pawamonster wrote: »Alan Levinovitz gave an interview to the Atlantic on food purity and religious thought, and it's fascinating to see it play out in this thread. For those of you who are interested, here's some of what he said:
"Ideas about religion can be so powerful that people can't endorse them without giving up a part of their identity. It's the same thing with diets. If you've adopted a diet and it's become part of your identity, asking someone to reconsider something as simple as eating sugar or gluten is kind of like asking someone to give up their faith. To admit that the core of their identity is fundamentally mistaken."
If you want to read the whole interview, it's here: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/the-puritanical-approach-to-food/392030/
I think he's on to something there. Judging from this forum, not even asking someone to reconsider what they're eating, but just sharing that you prefer a different way of eating to theirs, seems to inspire a certain vitriol.
Isn't it interesting, though? I have some quibbles about his tone, which edges toward condescending at times, but the core of his argument is compelling.0 -
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
what's your problem? if you're going to be a dick about people's responses, then keep that *kitten* to yourself. no wants to read your sarcastic garbage.
and for your information, almond butter is just crushed almonds (which ARE paleo) so before you come on here acting like you know it all, know your *kitten* first.
Almonds would kill you if you ate them in paleo times, you do realize this, right?0 -
tedboosalis7 wrote: »I've been eating paleo for almost 3 years now. Can't eat gluten due to healthproblems and also wanted to stop eating (added) sugars.
You'll learn other ways to feel full
The beginning is really hard. I was craving bread and pasta for weeks! You're also feeling the effects of no sugar.. Try to have moooooore protein and good fats. Snacks like an apple with almond butter always fill me up pretty good. I eat meat and fish and eggs like crazy and I always have home made soup in my fridge.
almond butter was around in the Paleolithic era….really???
Dude, it's not whether almond butter was around the Paleolithic era, it's whether one could derive it from a source that would've been around in the Paleolithic era. If it's from a source that one would surmise was around to be eaten by our ancestors then one can conclude a derivative of it would be considered Paleo as well.
If you need more information, consider the following:
http://ultimatepaleoguide.com/almonds-paleo/
It's really easy to do a Google search on a food item and just ask a question regarding it. The Founder of Paleo is included in the search:
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=is+almond+paleo
This is really simple stuff. Instead of picking apart someone's comment, try doing the research.
link me to the archeological dig that shows people were eating almond butter in the Paleolithic era….
You obviously don't understand the point. It's useless discussing something you with you if you cannot understand the underlying facts. This isn't about almond butter - this is about whether the DERIVATIVE almond butter can be sourced to the ingredients that would've been considered part of the Paleolithic era.
That's it. If you cannot understand that, you will never get it. You don't have to be Paleo to understand that simple fact. It's called SOURCING.0 -
pawamonster wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »pawamonster wrote: »Alan Levinovitz gave an interview to the Atlantic on food purity and religious thought, and it's fascinating to see it play out in this thread. For those of you who are interested, here's some of what he said:
"Ideas about religion can be so powerful that people can't endorse them without giving up a part of their identity. It's the same thing with diets. If you've adopted a diet and it's become part of your identity, asking someone to reconsider something as simple as eating sugar or gluten is kind of like asking someone to give up their faith. To admit that the core of their identity is fundamentally mistaken."
If you want to read the whole interview, it's here: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/05/the-puritanical-approach-to-food/392030/
I think he's on to something there. Judging from this forum, not even asking someone to reconsider what they're eating, but just sharing that you prefer a different way of eating to theirs, seems to inspire a certain vitriol.
Isn't it interesting, though? I have some quibbles about his tone, which edges toward condescending at times, but the core of his argument is compelling.
The facts are right but the delivery mechnism needs polishing.
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TimothyFish wrote: »You know, even Adam and Eve ate bread, so if the goal is to eat the way people used to eat, eat some bread.
This is possibly the most ridiculous diet advise I've ever seen.0 -
And there's nothing wrong with shaking things up from time to time. People advocate changing up your workout routine from time to time, and why not change up your eating routine from time to time.pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »pawamonster wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »OP: there's a group doing a whole30 right now. They may have some suggestions for how to manage it better. Good luck.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/105519-whole30-may-june-2015
Thanks so much! I'll check it out.
Do. Folks in those groups typically post their menus etc. to help folks along. Have you noticed any allergies or inflammations improving since beginning?
No. Weight aside, I'm an otherwise pretty healthy and strong person, and I generally cook healthy, fresh foods from scratch. I've been slowly losing the weight I rapidly gained through reasonable eating and exercise. I'm not looking at Whole30 as any sort of life-changer or diet. I'm just trying something different to shake up the way I think about cooking. Cutting grains is an interesting challenge.
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Paleo does not have to be super low carb. That being said your body is very effective at converting proteins and fat to the glucose it needs so you certainly can go very low carb. At 5 days in you might be getting that "carb flu" as your body adjusts to living on less carbs. I would suggest eating starchy vegetables after exercize. That will give you some extra glucose after you've exerted yourself and should help with that sluggish feeling. Then on days you are sedentary keep the carbs lower. Good luck! Whole 30 is a great intro to the paleo/primal way of life. If you have not already come on over and join us at the paleo/primal group!0
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Here's a recipe for you @ndj1979
http://www.instructables.com/id/HomeMade-Raw-Almond-Butter/
Simple stuff - the ingredients are all considered Paleo. How one "made" it in the "era" is immaterial here. The key issue is ingredients - and whether processing it by man introduces an ingredient that would "taint" the actual result.
1 + 1 = 2. How did I get to 2? By taking 1 and adding 1 to it. That makes 2. That means 2 is a derivative of 1 and 1. Can you handle this?
You are more intelligent than this ridiculous method by which you try to constructively criticize someone's post. It's not up to everyone to prove to you whether something is or isn't, it's up to you to figure it out yourself. That's how lawyers work - they must know both sides of the argument - that means you have to know all the facts before deciding to place the burden of proof on someone else.0 -
People get passionate about junk information being passed about as if it were from Moses on Mt. Sinai. That's what gets people's ire up.
Then other people get all defensive because they get called out on their information that they can't verify with a reputable scientific source.
I was one of those people once - the one spouting off about processed this and chemicals that and I was put in my place here, about a year ago I guess. I skulked off with my tail between my legs and then really thought about everything that the Mean People here were saying...and I also considered my own craziness at trying to find the "right foods to eat so I'm not poisoning my family or myself" - and how distressing the whole thing is every time a new "report" comes out saying this is bad but this other thing is now good, and not bad anymore, and coffee is going to kill you and coffee is a health food and the dang olive oil you're buying is rancid but wait, this brand is not...and on and on an on. Books like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and Eat to Live and every other "new fad" you can think of are churned out quickly, seems like every week there's something new - making authors and publishers a lot of money...meanwhile...
What gets people stirred up? Fear. Don't eat this or you'll get sick. This is poison. This will kill you. This is a toxin you need to be rid of it. You need to stop eating that poison food and eat this food...blah blah blah blah.
If you read any articles on how to market well, (I'm in real estate so I have looked into ways to market homes...) one of the top things in successful marketing is to instill fear... or even more specifically... fear of loss. (This is why you see realtors put things like "Won't last! Act now or it will be gone!" on listings..) In the subject of food - well, people fear the loss of longevity and good health...so these marketing campaigns trigger a response.
Pavlov's dogs if you will..
TL; DR - yeah, sorry. I ramble.
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People get passionate about junk information being passed about as if it were from Moses on Mt. Sinai. That's what gets people's ire up.
Then other people get all defensive because they get called out on their information that they can't verify with a reputable scientific source.
I was one of those people once - the one spouting off about processed this and chemicals that and I was put in my place here, about a year ago I guess. I skulked off with my tail between my legs and then really thought about everything that the Mean People here were saying...and I also considered my own craziness at trying to find the "right foods to eat so I'm not poisoning my family or myself" - and how distressing the whole thing is every time a new "report" comes out saying this is bad but this other thing is now good, and not bad anymore, and coffee is going to kill you and coffee is a health food and the dang olive oil you're buying is rancid but wait, this brand is not...and on and on an on. Books like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain and Eat to Live and every other "new fad" you can think of are churned out quickly, seems like every week there's something new - making authors and publishers a lot of money...meanwhile...
What gets people stirred up? Fear. Don't eat this or you'll get sick. This is poison. This will kill you. This is a toxin you need to be rid of it. You need to stop eating that poison food and eat this food...blah blah blah blah.
If you read any articles on how to market well, (I'm in real estate so I have looked into ways to market homes...) one of the top things in successful marketing is to instill fear... or even more specifically... fear of loss. (This is why you see realtors put things like "Won't last! Act now or it will be gone!" on listings..) In the subject of food - well, people fear the loss of longevity and good health...so these marketing campaigns trigger a response.
Pavlov's dogs if you will..
TL; DR - yeah, sorry. I ramble.
Speak, @wizzybeth. I didn't expect this thread to explode like this, but I should have seen it coming. Did you see the interview I linked above to the interview about food purity and religious thought?0 -
darrensurrey wrote: »Are sweet potatoes not carbs? What about normal potatoes? Can I eat a load of fries or a 200g of potato chips if I'm paleoing?
who knows…apparently you can claim Paleo but not eat anything like Paleo Peoples but still be paleo …sounds like a legit way of eating...
There is no way we could eat exactly as our caveman ancestors did. However we can use the principles of how they ate and apply them to our choices in the current environment.0 -
KombuchaCat wrote: »TimothyFish wrote: »You know, even Adam and Eve ate bread, so if the goal is to eat the way people used to eat, eat some bread.
This is possibly the most ridiculous diet advise I've ever seen.
Really?
You haven't been looking very hard then....
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