Hemp Protein vs Whey Protein
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I almost hesitate to post because I am just an average Joe but I have had excellent results using a whey protein. It's 30 gr. Of protein. No added sugar. 1 carb. And it satiates me and has helped me lose weight. Not that it's what I made smoothies with it for. My FIL is diabetic. I started making him smoothies with it....he has dropped a couple pounds and his blood sugar went down for the first time in 6 months. I'm just sharing my limited experience. But I am quite happy with it. Hope this helps.0
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I'm done talking with you and I think people can see the truth here, if they can't see who is speaking the truth then like I said you can't fix stupid.
-For those that want a side-by-side comparison of ingesting 18.5 grams of whey isolate vs 18.5 grams of hemp 70, I've again attached the excel sheet for you to look at.
-To eat 18.5 grams of protein you need to eat either 24 grams of isolate powder or 27.5 grams of Hemp 70 powder.
Facts:
30 grams Hemp 70 has 21 grams protein
30 grams Whey Isolate 24 grams protein
Whey lacks the same amount of essential fats found in the Hemp and you will need to eat that later on in the day
Whey has less calories due to less fat content
Whey has more leucine, the other essential aminos are mixed as to which has larger
Hemp has more arginine(artery/nitric oxide/immune help)
Both proteins are good
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lovethepirk wrote: »I called you stupid b/c you are not listening. Life is tough, sometimes you need to be talked to.
Good job finding that label...that is 30 grams of powder for 21 grams of protein just like I said. ~67% vs your ignorant post of 37% protein profile. Your gold coin formula comes in at 30 grams of powder and 24 grams of protein. Good job finding some powder with 3 extra grams of protein per 30 gram scoop. Unfortunately, I can just eat 3 extra grams of the Hemp and catch up to you. I'm also eating some decent fatty acids when I add those hard to eat 3 extra grams.
I hope now that you see your Gold Coins are only 24 grams and the hemp is 21 grams per 30 gram scoop. For you to post an amino acid profile with 99 grams vs 37 grams was misleading to those learning and foolish.
Like I said, I use both, b/c they are both good. You are completely forgetting the speed at which both absorb. Why would you think one is best? Some people don't want muscle growth(leucine), some people may want more nitric oxide and artery health(arginine), some people want a slower absorption, some people want enormous muscles. You are ignorant if you think Whey is the best protein. There isn't a best protein. I eat both for a reason.lovethepirk wrote: »Mama, MrM posted some completely misleading info and then tried to defend it. He is stating Whey is superior. It is not. It's a great protein just as Hemp is. I posted the profile breakdown above given 18.5 grams of protein ingested for each. It is accurate enough to evaluate the data.
Let's talk calories for a second. Whey has less calories b/c it has a little more protein and less fat than hemp. That's fantastic, BUT you will need to then eat that fat after you take the Whey to feel as satisfied or maintain the same amount of bodily functions. For instance, you are a machine...you feed the machine 3 extra grams of fat hence more calories...well you can walk that machine further than the machine you feed 3 less grams of fat. It all works out in the end.....When I eat 3 extra grams of fat in the Hemp it's not like my body just throws it out or immediately stores it as fat....the body uses it and uses it effectively. I won't need to eat those 3 grams later as the Whey person. It is a mute argument on the calories. If Hemps extra 20-30 calories is too much for you then just eat 3 grams of less fat in your next meal.
The arginine in the hemp is much higher. hope that makes sense.
Strong arguments you have there needing to resort to calling someone stupid foolish and ignorant. And the argument that poor me doesn't get 3 grams of fat from protein powder. Because we all know people buy the protein powder that provides the most fat and not the one with a better amino acid profile and grams of protein per serving.
You guys are answering two different questions. The OP asked about products but the question you quoted was specifically about protein quality. I seem to be too dense to figure out how to add multiple quotes, so:
tedboosalis7 wrote: »
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This - hemp protein is a lower quality protein - if you have no issues using whey or a complete protein, then you should use that version over hemp.
What gauge of "quality" are you using to determine this ?
Mr is talking products and Pirk is comparing protein quality in the technical sense (i.e. amino acid profile and how well it meets human requirements), so there can never be any kind of agreement, as each of you thinks the other is missing the point.
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Makepeas,
Fair enough on your points, but let me add something to what you said. If you had to eat 5 times the amount of hemp powder than whey then I don't care how you slice it Whey would be a winner. This guy posted his answer to quality by posting 37 grams of hemp vs 99 grams of isolate. That would be like me saying you have to drink 3 cups of milk and 300 calories to get the same protein as hemp 70.
Whey isolate is a derivative of milk proteins and it has low fat so you will need to eat that fat at some point in the day. Hemp 70 is a derivate of hemp seeds and it has more fat so you will NOT need to eat that fat later in the day.
The guy I was trying to set straight posted a comparison of Isolated whey protein vs basically hemp seeds. Given his post I would be chewing on 3/4 of a pound of hemp seeds for an hour to equal a whey shake. Instead, all I have to do is add 3 grams more of hemp powder to equal his golden powder. AND don't forget....the whey consumer is going to have to find ROOM in his/her stomach later in the day for a high quality fatty acids in an Omega 6-3 ration of 3-1ish. Where is this person going to get those fats from in such a high quality ratio??? Well...the hemp consumer already took care of that question, the whey consumer has to hunt for food with that ratio.
Like I said all along....hemp is a great protein and so is whey. They absorb at diff speeds and compliment each other. To snuff your nose at one or the other is by definition ignorant.0 -
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Attached is the products I use in my shake and I put the recipe in one of my earlier posts. I just started with the seeds b/c I wasn't eating enough fats. The seeds you see are composed of 50% fat. If you don't want that much fat then just remove them. I may dial them back in the near future, but I can tell you this recipe keeps me full for a long time. I think the fats really help. Once I run out of seeds I will adjust the recipe and see....Also attached is my nutrition breakdown....
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Sorry. I really couldn't care less about the fat you keep going on about. I still see whey coming out ahead in more amino acids and in protein per calorie.
If I want fat, I'll put a pat of butter on my vegetables. If I want fat in my shake, I'll add some almond butter.
Speaking as a layperson, of course. A 52 year old, who's only 5' 1" and on a 1200 calorie diet. The calorie/protein ratio matters to me.0 -
20 grams of amino acids is 20 grams of amino acids...just eat 3 more grams of hemp. It's not rocket science....3 grams of hemp powder is a tsp....why are we discussing such small amounts....better yet just mix them 50-50 and be done with it. You are taking side on an issue that doesn't have a winner.
If you are dialing in your protein content per cubic millimeter of powder you eat then you should be so careful when choosing your fats....you are using almond butter or butter. The fats in the hemp blow those two choices out of the water. Why add so many omega 6's in your shake when you could just go with hemp at a 3-1 omega profile and not need to add almond butter. Keep it simple. By adding almond butter you just made your Whey shake more calories and less effective than the hemp. Also, you just added back those 3 grams that you have to burden swallowing with the hemp shake. I promise you the extra tsp of hemp is a not a large swallow
Again, there is no winner, they are both good.0 -
lovethepirk wrote: »Attached is the products I use in my shake and I put the recipe in one of my earlier posts. I just started with the seeds b/c I wasn't eating enough fats. The seeds you see are composed of 50% fat. If you don't want that much fat then just remove them. I may dial them back in the near future, but I can tell you this recipe keeps me full for a long time. I think the fats really help. Once I run out of seeds I will adjust the recipe and see....Also attached is my nutrition breakdown....
I was wandering how (or why) did you get your ratios for your shake ? I understand it equals 50 grams. They seem to be very specific amounts ?0 -
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Charlie,
Well long story...I wrestled in high school and lived next to wrestlers in college. I always have a massive respect for the active wrestler b/c of the weight cut they must maintain. Now, I really enjoy watching MMA...yes they beat themselves up and I can see how people see it is a bit much, but they MMA fighters are pretty damn good with their diet.
I saw a few of them taking the Onnit hemp shake so I bought some and enjoyed it. I just reversed engineered the ingredients and then played with the recipe as I went along. I still play with it. I will most likely always play with it....the excel sheet allows me to just plug and play different value. The 50 gram portion has always been pretty steady. With the current setup you see I am doing pretty good at hitting the macros without much thought. I'd be up for suggestions on other ingredients if people have any. I may use some fish oil in a month to get the better chained Omega 3's vs the ALA in the hemp and that will have me removing the hemp seeds as they are ~50% fat.
Side note...I love milk shakes, omg If I toss a banana in my current mix I would drink that all day long vs milkshake...without the banana I may grab the milkshake and run, but maybe not b/c it is still awesome.
I'm also now growing my own stevia plants. I have 4 of them growing and just ate some of the dried leaves and they were amazing. I am looking forward to eliminating the white processed stevia and using the green leaves one day. Just munching on one leaf that is fresh is an amazing sweet taste.
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lovethepirk wrote: »20 grams of amino acids is 20 grams of amino acids...just eat 3 more grams of hemp. It's not rocket science....3 grams of hemp powder is a tsp....why are we discussing such small amounts....better yet just mix them 50-50 and be done with it. You are taking side on an issue that doesn't have a winner.
If you are dialing in your protein content per cubic millimeter of powder you eat then you should be so careful when choosing your fats....you are using almond butter or butter. The fats in the hemp blow those two choices out of the water. Why add so many omega 6's in your shake when you could just go with hemp at a 3-1 omega profile and not need to add almond butter. Keep it simple. By adding almond butter you just made your Whey shake more calories and less effective than the hemp. Also, you just added back those 3 grams that you have to burden swallowing with the hemp shake. I promise you the extra tsp of hemp is a not a large swallow
Again, there is no winner, they are both good.
Well, let's see... there's this. I HAVE almond butter in my house. I don't have to buy it.
I'm not going to buy two protein powders. I'm only going to buy one, because that's all we can afford. If I want Omega 3's, I'll eat some flax seeds or chia seeds or even... gasp! Hemp seeds. In my daily yogurt. I have those in the house already too. I LIKE almond butter in my shakes. That counts for something too.
You still haven't convinced me to pick hemp protein for this shake I have a few times a week.
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I haven't used whey yet (thought I was lactose intolerant) but have used soy and hemp. For me the hemp is only good in smoothies because otherwise I can't stand the texture/hide the hemp taste. I tried it in yogurt and oatmeal and couldn't stand the taste/texture with those foods.
It also has less protein (9g) than the soy (24g) for more calories (130 cals vs 110 cals).
I only tried it because I am somewhat of a hippie and have liked other hemp products. I probably wouldn't buy hemp protein again.0 -
When i comes to amino profile, hemp numbers show it to be inferior. I'd go with a Whey Isolate, calories for protein/amino profile numbers its the better protein.0
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When i comes to amino profile, hemp numbers show it to be inferior. I'd go with a Whey Isolate, calories for protein/amino profile numbers its the better protein.
Am I mathing incorrectly? He's comparing numbers from one brand of protein powder and maybe for that brand it's true... but when I put up the ON label... doesn't the ON have more arganine per serving? 7.7 g (7700 mg) vs 2783 mg in the Hemp Pro.
Maybe it's just that Jarrow's not that good a protein powder.
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Dude, you just don't get it and you never will. You are showing your *kitten* by saying it is superior.
You really showed your *kitten* when you posted 37 grams of hemp vs 99 grams of Isolate as a direct comparision. Good job on the copy and paste, well researched, pat yourself on the back for a post well done on the 37 grams vs 99 grams.
The whey wins in 9 amino acids the hemp wins in 9 when you consume the same amount of amino acids of both.
I know that consuming an additional 2.5 grams of hemp is hard for you to do, but I can work with you on your technique and one day I can successfully get you to swallow an additional 2.5 grams. May take you a couple years to get there though. Took me a day or two until I could handle the extra 2.5 grams. Really threw off my daily weigh ins too.
The whey wins in leucine, key to growing muscles post workout. The hemp wins in several other important aminos.
If you are a woman who does not want to gain muscle and want a protein replacement which is better? If you want a slower absorbing protein that doesn't spike your amino levels so fast PRIOR to workout or to feel fuller longer....which protein is better?
There is no winner, they are both excellent powder and is why I eat them both.
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Sorry for you, but there is a need to call you out for ignorantly copying and pasting 37 grams vs 99 grams as a comparison. I'm sorry but you can't rationally defend your post.
There's only so much protein you need, any clear minded person can see the values for both are so close superiority is a non-issue. I eat the Whey for the larger leucine, I eat the Hemp for the slower digestion.
What about pH level of both. Hemp wins there, what about polyphenols, what about the source of omega6-3 and it's ratio?
There are many ways to say hemp is superior to whey. I don't say that though b/c it's not an argument to have. You seem to be set that whey just dominates the world of protein when it does not, but it is a great choice.
Good luck to you and next time you post something and try to defend it make sure you think through the numbers you are posting for other's benefits.
Know your numbers!
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lovethepirk wrote: »Sorry for you, but there is a need to call you out for ignorantly copying and pasting 37 grams vs 99 grams as a comparison. I'm sorry but you can't rationally defend your post.
There's only so much protein you need, any clear minded person can see the values for both are so close superiority is a non-issue. I eat the Whey for the larger leucine, I eat the Hemp for the slower digestion.
What about pH level of both. Hemp wins there, what about polyphenols, what about the source of omega6-3 and it's ratio?
There are many ways to say hemp is superior to whey. I don't say that though b/c it's not an argument to have. You seem to be set that whey just dominates the world of protein when it does not, but it is a great choice.
Good luck to you and next time you post something and try to defend it make sure you think through the numbers you are posting for other's benefits.
Know your numbers!
i was going to try and read all of this again, and pay attention properly to see what all the fuss was about, but you lost me with that comment right there.
I suddenly stopped caring...
Enjoy your proteiney goodness, whichever way you swing.0 -
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