Sugar Cleanse- Help!
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I live in California, and it is indeed that way...though I don't advocate it.
Me, too. SoCal. I find the "rejuvenation" centers on practically every street corner especially amusing. My Penny Saver doesn't have dry cleaning and home and garden, it's pretty much all botox, peels and laser hair removal. I moved here from the Bible Belt (Oklahoma) so my locale replaced churches (they're everywhere in OK--strip malls, abandoned gas stations) with "spas."
OP, if you feel like cutting or reducing sugar will help your health. Give it a shot. I watch my sugar intake carefully due to health issues. I wish I didn't have to pay that much attention to it.
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tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Addiction isn't the same a enjoying hyperpalatable foods. You body needs glucose/glycogen to function. It doesn't however need it in excessive amounts.
You don't have to "quit" sugar. Just reduce the amount you consume.
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The PT and nutritionist is correct. Sugar is in fruit - my take on it is don't eat any added sugars from processed sources - substitute fruit for anything you would crave (like candy) and that will help you get through the "DTs" of sugar cravings.
Elimination is key - eliminate processed foods and get down to the whole foods level - then build back up - only through the process of elimination will you find which foods are really causing the issue.
No it's not key. Some people do well with elimination, others don't at all.
I guess I should bother on this one. Yes it is key. Eliminating foods is essential to troubleshooting the issue. That's how you figure out what's working and what's not. Or it's one way.
Obviously all you wanted to do is in this post was denigrate/nitpick because you don't like me. Sad stuff indeed.
It's not that I don't like you. It's that you keep posting things as matter of fact that just aren't.
Absolutely it matters and you posted it because that's your M.O. It is a matter of fact and plenty of literature to support it.
We all do it all the time. If we didn't, we would all be eating ice cream all day long man.
What? Your think someone's choices are to eliminate ice cream or eat it all day long?
There's no middle ground there?
Fascinating.
Some people don't ever have a problem compulsively eating certain foods to stupid excess, they can just exercise will power right away in terms of portion control. They can just simply... cut back.
For other people, you're right, going the elimination route is a good idea. But it's not a universal thing.
In another thread, I likened the the many possible issues/factors involved in being overweight to the cards in a deck. Everyone is dealt a different hand. Your issues were not necessarily my issues. It's just foolish to think that your experience applies to everyone else.
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SailorKnightWing wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »SailorKnightWing wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »SailorKnightWing wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »SailorKnightWing wrote: »
That's because drug addicts are almost universally dependent on their drug of choice.stevencloser wrote: »SailorKnightWing wrote: »
"Perhaps the most extensively studied reward is that of food. Food is the quintessential reward in many rodent studies and has been used as a reinforcer in procedures such as operant (self-administration) tasks, runway tests, maze learning, gambling tasks, and place conditioning (Skinner, 1930; Ettenberg and Camp, 1986; Kandel et al, 2000; Kelley, 2004; Tzschentke, 2007; Zeeb et al, 2009). In rats that were trained to press a lever to receive intravenous self-administration of drugs, highly palatable foods such as sugar and saccharin were shown to reduce self-administration of cocaine and heroin (Carroll et al, 1989; Lenoir and Ahmed, 2008), and these natural reinforcers have been demonstrated to outcompete cocaine in choice self-administration in the majority of rats tested (Lenoir et al, 2007; Cantin et al, 2010). This would suggest that sweet foods have a higher reinforcing value than cocaine, even in animals with an extensive history of drug intake (Cantin et al., 2010). While this phenomenon could appear as a weakness in current models of cocaine addiction, a minority of rats prefer cocaine to sugar or saccharin (Cantin et al., 2010). It is possible that these animals may represent a “vulnerable” population, which is more relevant to the human condition. This notion is explored more in the Discussion (Section 6.1).SailorKnightWing wrote: »1000colours wrote: »According to quite a few studies, sugar can be just as addictive as cocain as they stimulate the same area of the brain. As someone who's also suffered from sugar addiction, you just have to get it out of the house and have to say no every single time. Just constantly have the willpower to say no. Of course you need a little bit of sugar in your diet so opt for fruit instead of refined sugars.
Hope you kick your addiction, good luck!
Which studies?
This one. It doesn't say exactly that, but things that aren't drugs CAN BE addictive. Which, again, is different than causing dependence.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3139704/
Well, if it doesn't say anything about sugar, what relevance does it have here?
I will need to read later on.
ETA: read it. The study says nothing about sugar and talks about parallels between drug addiction and other types of addictive behavior. The point being missed is that drug and alcohol addiction is physical first, behavioral second, and people die from it.
You guys are still confusing addiction as dependence. Addiction can be to ANYTHING (yes, even petting puppies) because it's a series of behaviors. Addiction often accompanies dependence, but not always. Are you saying gambling addiction isn't a thing? Because it is.
I have yet to see a drug addict who'd take a donut over a line.
Again:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/principles-drug-addiction-treatment-research-based-guide-third-edition/frequently-asked-questions/there-difference-between-physical-dependence
And the rats in the study weren't?
Apparently not. Or at least not enough to make cocaine more appealing than sugar.
Sounds suspect to me.
One study does not science make. If the results of a study seem suspect, you do more studies to see if the results were good.
The results of the study seem suspect to you. And one study is a lot more science than you have provided.SailorKnightWing wrote: »Please don't think I'm advocating that sugar dependence is a thing. It's not. You cannot become dependent on sugar the same way you can to cocaine or heroin. That's not how sugars of any type are processed in the body.
I'm merely trying to correct our vocabulary.
Your previous posting sound like you are advocating sugar addiction, so thanks for clearing that up.
If you are addicted to drugs and alcohol, you are physically dependent on them.
I want people who believe they have a sugar addiction to understand that it is not the same as as being dependent on cocaine. But I also want people who say sugar addiction doesn't exist to understand that it does, just not by their mistaken definition.
It's like when people say muscle weighs more than fat. The "by volume" should be understood, but often isn't.
Sorry, you'll never convince me that it does exist. I used to think I was addicted to sugar.
I know better now. I had a compulsive behavior problem. The problem was never the substance. The addiction "victim of food" mentality is not helpful for taking ownership of your behavior with food.
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hyphenatot wrote: »What an enlightening group of individuals.
Whether it is emotional or physical: I have a problem with sugar.
If you want to help, cool. If not, your opinion is not valuable to me.
Also, 99% of you need to learn how to read and spell.
Weather you like there advice or not you should never loose your cool because two many of them are write.
Sometimes I just wanna bake you cookies and give Leo all the belly rubs.
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hyphenatot wrote: »What an enlightening group of individuals.
Whether it is emotional or physical: I have a problem with sugar.
If you want to help, cool. If not, your opinion is not valuable to me.
Also, 99% of you need to learn how to read and spell.
Weather you like there advice or not you should never loose your cool because two many of them are write.
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hyphenatot wrote: »
Well, actually it's not....it is a purposeful statement based on your previous remark about spelling.
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hyphenatot wrote: »hyphenatot wrote: »What an enlightening group of individuals.
Whether it is emotional or physical: I have a problem with sugar.
If you want to help, cool. If not, your opinion is not valuable to me.
Also, 99% of you need to learn how to read and spell.
Weather you like there advice or not you should never loose your cool because two many of them are write.
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I understand what you mean, to get the sugar out of your system. I think refined sugar is the enemy and natural sugars are fine although I might even watch it if I ate too much fruit, but fruit to me is not chocolate cake. There are plenty of reasons to "detox" from it, and everyone here is taking it very literally, for me, it gets feeling very toxic also. The candida feeds on it, the blood sugar spikes up and down...I hear you. Just quit. Refined sugar, quit. One meal at a time, then one day, then the next meal, the next day. Each meal being a decision, each day a success. That's how I'm going to handle it (as soon as I finish off the home made banana bread I made)- I'm weak be kind. The only refined sugar I will have is coffee, and I assume the yogurt I just bought will have it. But no ketchup or sauces that contain it, or anything else. Luckily I don't eat many processed foods (although this leads to not eating well and on time- I'm also lazy, so I will go without dinner to often- then give into binging on crap food). Holy smokes I got issues! 0
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I understand what you mean, to get the sugar out of your system. I think refined sugar is the enemy and natural sugars are fine although I might even watch it if I ate too much fruit, but fruit to me is not chocolate cake. There are plenty of reasons to "detox" from it, and everyone here is taking it very literally, for me, it gets feeling very toxic also. The candida feeds on it, the blood sugar spikes up and down...I hear you. Just quit. Refined sugar, quit. One meal at a time, then one day, then the next meal, the next day. Each meal being a decision, each day a success. That's how I'm going to handle it (as soon as I finish off the home made banana bread I made)- I'm weak be kind. The only refined sugar I will have is coffee, and I assume the yogurt I just bought will have it. But no ketchup or sauces that contain it, or anything else. Luckily I don't eat many processed foods (although this leads to not eating well and on time- I'm also lazy, so I will go without dinner to often- then give into binging on crap food). Holy smokes I got issues!
They are identical in composition and how the body processes them.0 -
I understand what you mean, to get the sugar out of your system. I think refined sugar is the enemy and natural sugars are fine although I might even watch it if I ate too much fruit, but fruit to me is not chocolate cake. There are plenty of reasons to "detox" from it, and everyone here is taking it very literally, for me, it gets feeling very toxic also. The candida feeds on it, the blood sugar spikes up and down...I hear you. Just quit. Refined sugar, quit. One meal at a time, then one day, then the next meal, the next day. Each meal being a decision, each day a success. That's how I'm going to handle it (as soon as I finish off the home made banana bread I made)- I'm weak be kind. The only refined sugar I will have is coffee, and I assume the yogurt I just bought will have it. But no ketchup or sauces that contain it, or anything else. Luckily I don't eat many processed foods (although this leads to not eating well and on time- I'm also lazy, so I will go without dinner to often- then give into binging on crap food). Holy smokes I got issues!
There's not wrong with moderating intake of anything for your own personal reasons, but saying refined sugar is the enemy seems quite drastic. Maybe for you it's the enemy (enjoy the rest of the banana bread, by the way.
), but sugar has no special properties that make it good or bad. Everything in moderation. 0 -
I understand that is the science,but I will say, my own anecdotal experience is that I have very different reactions to fruit sugar then to chocolate cake sugar. Maybe it's cane sugar vs fruit or maple sugars. I have no idea. But, fruit, did not make me fat. lol, I never ate enough to do that. If I stay away from refined sugar, I highly doubt I will triple up on the fruit and cause me a problem. Make no mistake sugar is magical. Just try and take away cake from a fat kid or a pms'ing woman and you will find out. now, try that move with an apple. much different. Tongue in cheek. 0
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Of course there is no middle ground. Just like when PU tried to say that people were eating nothing but an all carb diet. no middle ground exists.mamapeach910 wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »tedboosalis7 wrote: »Addiction isn't the same a enjoying hyperpalatable foods. You body needs glucose/glycogen to function. It doesn't however need it in excessive amounts.
You don't have to "quit" sugar. Just reduce the amount you consume.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
The PT and nutritionist is correct. Sugar is in fruit - my take on it is don't eat any added sugars from processed sources - substitute fruit for anything you would crave (like candy) and that will help you get through the "DTs" of sugar cravings.
Elimination is key - eliminate processed foods and get down to the whole foods level - then build back up - only through the process of elimination will you find which foods are really causing the issue.
No it's not key. Some people do well with elimination, others don't at all.
I guess I should bother on this one. Yes it is key. Eliminating foods is essential to troubleshooting the issue. That's how you figure out what's working and what's not. Or it's one way.
Obviously all you wanted to do is in this post was denigrate/nitpick because you don't like me. Sad stuff indeed.
It's not that I don't like you. It's that you keep posting things as matter of fact that just aren't.
Absolutely it matters and you posted it because that's your M.O. It is a matter of fact and plenty of literature to support it.
We all do it all the time. If we didn't, we would all be eating ice cream all day long man.
What? Your think someone's choices are to eliminate ice cream or eat it all day long?
There's no middle ground there?
Fascinating.
Some people don't ever have a problem compulsively eating certain foods to stupid excess, they can just exercise will power right away in terms of portion control. They can just simply... cut back.
For other people, you're right, going the elimination route is a good idea. But it's not a universal thing.
In another thread, I likened the the many possible issues/factors involved in being overweight to the cards in a deck. Everyone is dealt a different hand. Your issues were not necessarily my issues. It's just foolish to think that your experience applies to everyone else.
Hmmm... I'm trying to think of an all carb diet.
OMG THERE WOULD BE NO ICE CREAM... cuz it's got protein in it and all.
Or pizza. Even some veggies I'm thinking of have protein in them.
What's pure carb? Just throw back the sugar and be done with it?
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I understand that is the science,but I will say, my own anecdotal experience is that I have very different reactions to fruit sugar then to chocolate cake sugar. Maybe it's cane sugar vs fruit or maple sugars. I have no idea. But, fruit, did not make me fat. lol, I never ate enough to do that. If I stay away from refined sugar, I highly doubt I will triple up on the fruit and cause me a problem. Make no mistake sugar is magical. Just try and take away cake from a fat kid or a pms'ing woman and you will find out. now, try that move with an apple. much different. Tongue in cheek.
Well, certain foods do not make us fat, it's the overall consumption of food in general that does that.
When I gained back 35 pounds over a five year period. I gave up anything that I thought was fattening until I had a very bland diet. That didn't last long, until I started reading and learned that I have the ability to moderate all food that goes in my mouth. That does not mean I am 100% successful at it (take this weekend as an example), but overall I do much better than I did and I stick to my calorie goals most of the time.
What you seem to be saying is that once you start in on the gooey sweet stuff you have a hard time not having more. I would say that's a self control problem, because no food has special properties in them.
Love your sense of humor, by the way. 0
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