The Clean Eating Myth

ndj1979 wrote: »

Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

ndj1979 wrote: »

Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

The answer to the question as it was asked is: Person A or Person B may lose more weight, or they may lose exactly the same amount of weight, but either way, it does not prove or disprove anything about eating clean.

it proves my point that clean eating is not superior and you lose just as much weight eating clean as you would by following a moderate approach.

It doesn't prove anything. To prove it you need to keep all the variables constant and change only one thing: eating clean or not. Right from the off you've used two different people so you're not keeping the variables constant. As I said, it would be impossible to prove this one way or the other.

The closest thing we have in this thread to a proper example (i.e. someone who has tried both methods and lost more weight using the clean eating method, with documentation to prove it) is @tedboosalis7. Obviously his results weren't done in the same time period so even that isn't a true experiment, but it's the closest thing anyone can offer. All the people posting saying they've lost or maintainted weight eating junk don't prove anything because how do they know how much they would have lost or how healthy they would be if they didn't eat the junk?

I don't think you should be posting in threads like this until you get your issues with food under control. You always go off on a tangent about junk food and bla, bla, bla…it is very tiresome..

Actually, if you read my OP I said two males, same height, same weight, same activity level, and same deficit, so they were the same.

later in the thread I changed the example for fun to a male and a female.

Please read the entire thread before making comments about things you do not understand.

ETA - to the part I bolded. I eat ice cream every day and other "unclean" foods and my blood work is nearly perfect at my yearly physical every year, thank you very much. So my blood work proves you can eat unclean and be "healthy"…

Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

mamapeach910 wrote: »

Oh no, he is by far the only example. And his results are specious because there's no evidence he was accurately counting calories.

We can pull in @lemurcat12, and there's also me. I've eaten just like Ted and gained weight.

In fact, since clean eaters keep mentioning health... I was eating "clean" and developed a progressive autoimmune disease.

The difference is that Ted was in a calorie deficit, assuming his calorie counting was accurate (we have no reason to think it wasn't.) If I've understood you correctly from previous posts, you weren't. You said that you ate clean but ate too many calories and therefore gained weight.

Chrysalid2014 wrote: »

psulemon wrote: »

So how can you say Ted's situation applies but Sara's does not?

I saw greater weight loss/fat loss when I incorporated the foods I love.

I say Ted's situation is a better example as he tried both methods, clean and dirty, and lost weight with the former but not with the latter even though he was (on paper anyway) in a calorie deficit both times. As you say it's impossible to calculate his exact calorie deficit without taking into account the impact of the type of CI on the CO (you said: "having a high carb/junk food diet, could have led to elevated insulin levels, lowering his over calories out") but doesn't that just give even more credence to the clean eating philosophy?

Other people who say they have gained weight eating clean haven't said they were in a calorie deficit. I think a lot of newcomers get confused when some clean eating people say they don't have to count calories. That just means they aren't writing them down; it doesn't mean they aren't in a deficit.