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  • HollandOats
    HollandOats Posts: 202 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.
  • _incogNEATo_
    _incogNEATo_ Posts: 4,544 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    No. Nobody should encourage trying this. Period.
  • HollandOats
    HollandOats Posts: 202 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    No. Nobody should encourage trying this. Period.

    I am right there with you! I just think people are gonna do what they want to do... Maybe because of how stubborn I am myself... I only have this one perspective though. Hopefully, OP is more open to the logic and reasoning of others :)
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,692 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    So OP should try this crap and permanently hurt herself so she can learn for herself?
  • hmontigney
    hmontigney Posts: 56 Member
    Horrible, horrible idea. Eat at a defecit and exercise your butt off. You don't need to "jump start" your weight loss. If you really try this, you will do more damage than good to your body and any weight you lose will come right back.

    Slow and steady wins the race.
  • lemonsnowdrop
    lemonsnowdrop Posts: 1,298 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    So OP should try this crap and permanently hurt herself so she can learn for herself?

    Honestly, you can't make decisions for other people. The choice to do it or not is ultimately theirs.
  • HollandOats
    HollandOats Posts: 202 Member
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    So OP should try this crap and permanently hurt herself so she can learn for herself?

    What's the alternative? Place the burden of stopping her on the shoulders of the strangers from the internet?
    I don't think the OP should do it, Clearly no one does... But OP's original statement is in the active sense.. as in "This is what I'm doing"... she never asks if she "should"... she's just a goin' for it... clearly her mind is made up.

    Lessons learned the hard way are a fact of life.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    Don't do fasts, or cleanses, or anything else. They're harmful, and don't work. Here's a great post by SideSteel, a long time MFP user who really knows his stuff. Please take the time to read it, and all the links contained.

    Hey MFPers.

    With the rapid increase of new users there are many posts coming up asking for detox recommendations. I figured this would be a good time to provide some links explaining why you generally don't need to detox or cleanse.

    Your body is readily equipped to handle toxins and in the event it cannot, you're in far greater need of medical attention than you are of any particular beverage or liquid diet.

    For purposes of weight loss, you're essentially choosing to replace food with liquid calories (depending on the cleanse, but most fall under this category) resulting in what usually amounts to a VLCD. This isn't typically a good idea for a variety of reasons (mood, hunger signaling, skeletal muscle maintenance, performance) and moreover it represents yet another short-cut attempt rather than establishing proper habits.

    The intent of my post isn't to insult anyone who comes here with the misinformed belief that they should detox/cleanse. The purpose is to provide information to hopefully save someone the wasted time, money, and potential ill health effects, not to mention the likely weight regain.

    Please read the following links:


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work
    http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/colon-cleansing-scam.cfm
    http://www.biolayne.com/nutrition/detox-diet-scams-and-product-scams-get-called-out-by-real-scientists/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fashionable-toxins/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxins-the-new-evil-humours/
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/
    http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/
  • eseeton
    eseeton Posts: 80 Member
    By having only water and a vitamin for a month your body will go seriously haywire. Your metabolism will slow down to compensate and you will basically go into a starvation mode because you aren't nourishing it properly. This happens with any really low calorie diet, it is why they fail more often than not. When you do start adding food back in, you will gain all your weight back because your metabolism will need lots of recovery time to get used to having sustenance again and functioning at its normal rate.

    The only thing you need to do to lose weight is cut back from the calories you are currently eating. You will see a difference if you stick with it. No need to torture yourself.
  • Sorchya
    Sorchya Posts: 49 Member
    People have already given a lot of good reasons to NOT fast, including harm to yourself. But also your metabolism will slow down as a way your body protects itself and that makes it harder to lose in the long run. Your body will literally eat itself for fuel and will consume a lot of your muscle. You will be more prone to illnesses not having the full powered immune system to ward them off....which is boosted by good healthy food. You have an excellent chance of *kitten* up your kidneys and your heart permanently, as has been pointed out. You run the risk of it affecting your brain as well. You will throw off your body's chemical balance (not adequate electrolytes).

    Don't do it.
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    So a hunger strike for a month or more without medical supervision sounds like a good idea to you?

    It's an asinine concept. It is considered torture to make somebody do what you want to do to yourself. It is a recipe for lost lean mass, lost bone density, and damage to internal organs.
  • yopeeps025
    yopeeps025 Posts: 8,692 Member

    i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    So OP should try this crap and permanently hurt herself so she can learn for herself?

    What's the alternative? Place the burden of stopping her on the shoulders of the strangers from the internet?
    I don't think the OP should do it, Clearly no one does... But OP's original statement is in the active sense.. as in "This is what I'm doing"... she never asks if she "should"... she's just a goin' for it... clearly her mind is made up.

    Lessons learned the hard way are a fact of life.

    The alternative? To call BS advice like this
    i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.

    That does not look like someone who is against this crash diet.
  • BootCampC
    BootCampC Posts: 689 Member
    Living without eating Somewhere, I heard a simple adage about survival: The Three Threes:
    Three minutes without air.
    Three days without water.
    Three weeks without food.
    I figure 2 weeks in you will be experiencing some type of blackouts , disorientation , weakness even earlier , basically you will feel really ill , and then I heard that you would have to introduce food slowly into your system because you stomach shuts down. (not sure how true this is because i really never thought about it that much)
    Bad idea!
    the only fasting i would do is , on the first few days of my diet , i will wait until i am hungry to eat my first meal , sometimes its 8 hrs after i wake up , other times it can be 3 hrs..
  • emmy15rocks
    emmy15rocks Posts: 73 Member
    Good luck with the heart damage you'll gain from this. Not to mention all the other health problems. Please take everyone's advice and do this with a healthy calorie deficit and exercise. You'll be much happier and healthier in the long run.
  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    Before this thread gets locked, I'm going to drop this here again, because it's so important:

    Hey MFPers.

    With the rapid increase of new users there are many posts coming up asking for detox recommendations. I figured this would be a good time to provide some links explaining why you generally don't need to detox or cleanse.

    Your body is readily equipped to handle toxins and in the event it cannot, you're in far greater need of medical attention than you are of any particular beverage or liquid diet.

    For purposes of weight loss, you're essentially choosing to replace food with liquid calories (depending on the cleanse, but most fall under this category) resulting in what usually amounts to a VLCD. This isn't typically a good idea for a variety of reasons (mood, hunger signaling, skeletal muscle maintenance, performance) and moreover it represents yet another short-cut attempt rather than establishing proper habits.

    The intent of my post isn't to insult anyone who comes here with the misinformed belief that they should detox/cleanse. The purpose is to provide information to hopefully save someone the wasted time, money, and potential ill health effects, not to mention the likely weight regain.

    Please read the following links:


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work
    http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/colon-cleansing-scam.cfm
    http://www.biolayne.com/nutrition/detox-diet-scams-and-product-scams-get-called-out-by-real-scientists/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fashionable-toxins/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxins-the-new-evil-humours/
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/
    http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,491 Member
    edited May 2015
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    yopeeps025 wrote: »
    I have tried fasting. I did not experience any of the benefits of fasting...I was irritable, hungry, didn't have any energy to burn calories, and I lost muscle instead of fat. I fasted for 4 days. Water and vegatable broth once a day. i guess everyone has to learn this for themselves so go for it.


    Worst advice ever. SMH

    I wouldn't say worst... most realistic maybe.

    So OP should try this crap and permanently hurt herself so she can learn for herself?

    What's the alternative? Place the burden of stopping her on the shoulders of the strangers from the internet?
    I don't think the OP should do it, Clearly no one does... But OP's original statement is in the active sense.. as in "This is what I'm doing"... she never asks if she "should"... she's just a goin' for it... clearly her mind is made up.

    Lessons learned the hard way are a fact of life.

    I happen to agree with this...

    She did say, she wanted to fast as long as she could.. Hopefully skipping the first few meals will turn her around..

    But......She wants to know of all of the successful people that have done this, how long and how much weight was lost... Not that she should not do it...

    SIGH... face in my hands moment...
  • soldiergrl_101
    soldiergrl_101 Posts: 2,207 Member
    Ya cant live off of water alone for a month and hope a One A Day will make up for the lack of nutrition its getting. This idea idea is worst than anorexia...at least they eat roughly 500 calories a day. Your better off drinking lots of water and juicing through out the day so you can at least get the vital nutrients your body needs, there are plenty of pre-made juice blends you can buy.
  • zoeysasha37
    zoeysasha37 Posts: 7,092 Member
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    Don't do fasts, or cleanses, or anything else. They're harmful, and don't work. Here's a great post by SideSteel, a long time MFP user who really knows his stuff. Please take the time to read it, and all the links contained.

    Hey MFPers.

    With the rapid increase of new users there are many posts coming up asking for detox recommendations. I figured this would be a good time to provide some links explaining why you generally don't need to detox or cleanse.

    Your body is readily equipped to handle toxins and in the event it cannot, you're in far greater need of medical attention than you are of any particular beverage or liquid diet.

    For purposes of weight loss, you're essentially choosing to replace food with liquid calories (depending on the cleanse, but most fall under this category) resulting in what usually amounts to a VLCD. This isn't typically a good idea for a variety of reasons (mood, hunger signaling, skeletal muscle maintenance, performance) and moreover it represents yet another short-cut attempt rather than establishing proper habits.

    The intent of my post isn't to insult anyone who comes here with the misinformed belief that they should detox/cleanse. The purpose is to provide information to hopefully save someone the wasted time, money, and potential ill health effects, not to mention the likely weight regain.

    Please read the following links:


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work
    http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/colon-cleansing-scam.cfm
    http://www.biolayne.com/nutrition/detox-diet-scams-and-product-scams-get-called-out-by-real-scientists/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fashionable-toxins/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxins-the-new-evil-humours/
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/
    http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/

    This would be some good stuff to read op.
    This thread won't last long, surely it'll be taken down any minute so hopefully op you read this quickly and realize that your plan is unhealthy and not necessary
  • kandeelopez
    kandeelopez Posts: 61 Member
    edited May 2015
    Fasting for spiritual reasons is one thing (Christians and Jews do it without harm, but it's usually for ONE day, e.g., Yom Kippur). Also, when I feel like I've eaten something bad or am not feeling well in the belly, I will fast from food but drink lots of water to flush out whatever is in there. Again, one day will suffice without ill effect; in fact, it feels great. Even the medical community will tell you this is safe (many doctors in my own family).

    But for weight loss, it's a bad idea. The most important reason that I think has not been mentioned here is this: You can't sustain it as a LIFESTYLE. You can't not eat for the rest of your life. What will you do after the fast? Go back to the habits that got you fat to begin with? You see how it doesn't make sense?

    If you're very overweight, you need to mentally deal with whatever is causing you to overeat. If you hate to exercise, you can deal with that too. I think this is a mental and habit issue. I hate the first 15 min or so of exercise then I enjoy it. Eventually, the longer I exercise as a daily habit, the more my body ends up craving exercise.
  • JustSomeEm
    JustSomeEm Posts: 19,859 MFP Moderator
    mccindy72 wrote: »
    Don't do fasts, or cleanses, or anything else. They're harmful, and don't work. Here's a great post by SideSteel, a long time MFP user who really knows his stuff. Please take the time to read it, and all the links contained.

    Hey MFPers.

    With the rapid increase of new users there are many posts coming up asking for detox recommendations. I figured this would be a good time to provide some links explaining why you generally don't need to detox or cleanse.

    Your body is readily equipped to handle toxins and in the event it cannot, you're in far greater need of medical attention than you are of any particular beverage or liquid diet.

    For purposes of weight loss, you're essentially choosing to replace food with liquid calories (depending on the cleanse, but most fall under this category) resulting in what usually amounts to a VLCD. This isn't typically a good idea for a variety of reasons (mood, hunger signaling, skeletal muscle maintenance, performance) and moreover it represents yet another short-cut attempt rather than establishing proper habits.

    The intent of my post isn't to insult anyone who comes here with the misinformed belief that they should detox/cleanse. The purpose is to provide information to hopefully save someone the wasted time, money, and potential ill health effects, not to mention the likely weight regain.

    Please read the following links:


    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/821828-detoxes-and-cleanses
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/927327-cleanse-why-you-are-lucky-they-don-t-work
    http://www.burnthefatinnercircle.com/members/colon-cleansing-scam.cfm
    http://www.biolayne.com/nutrition/detox-diet-scams-and-product-scams-get-called-out-by-real-scientists/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fashionable-toxins/
    http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxins-the-new-evil-humours/
    http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-detox-scam/
    http://sciencebasedpharmacy.wordpress.com/2013/01/04/the-detox-delusion/

    Good reading, above....
    thorsmom01 wrote: »
    This would be some good stuff to read op.
    This thread won't last long, surely it'll be taken down any minute so hopefully op you read this quickly and realize that your plan is unhealthy and not necessary

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