gained 6 pounds of muscle, lost 2 pounds fat....help with nutrition and fat loss...
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galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?0 -
damn...it took me almost 6 months to put on about 4 Lbs of muscle eating 3200 - 3500 calories per day...must be doing something way wrong.0
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cwolfman13 wrote: »damn...it took me almost 6 months to put on about 4 Lbs of muscle eating 3200 - 3500 calories per day...must be doing something way wrong.
Y'arent trying hard enough
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.0 -
avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
So it sounds like your primary goal is to lose weight and go down a couple of sizes, yet in three whole months the results you got were a GAIN of 4 pounds? First, I agree with everyone else...it is almost impossible that you gained 6 pounds of muscle in that time, so it is either mostly fat or water or some combination.
Have you been at 1200-1300 calories the entire time? Because if you have, I don't understand how you can possibly have gained weight. So you must be eating much more that you think you are, or you have a VERY slow metabolism and even if your logging is accurate you need to just eat less.
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.0 -
@moi...I think in the past 3 weeks or so I've been logging with MFP...before that, following a hand out. While my goals are to be smaller, i realky like my shape I just want to be smaller. ..I was about 15 pounds lighter at this time last year and if I spray tanned , I was comfortable in a bikini. ..now I am most certainly not. I was doing jillian Michaels tapes last year...after stopping in the fall and holidays, I decided to spend a considerable amount of money and hire a personal trainer....but I'm not hitting goals and maybe I should just go back to my DVDs...does that sound crazy?0
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
But for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time yes I agree it can be done at maintenance getting in enough protein and doing a progressive overload lifting program...there are folks here who do it...I prefer it that way as I can't get my head to wrap around a bulk...0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm0 -
avedaprincess wrote: »@moi...I think in the past 3 weeks or so I've been logging with MFP...before that, following a hand out. While my goals are to be smaller, i realky like my shape I just want to be smaller. ..I was about 15 pounds lighter at this time last year and if I spray tanned , I was comfortable in a bikini. ..now I am most certainly not. I was doing jillian Michaels tapes last year...after stopping in the fall and holidays, I decided to spend a considerable amount of money and hire a personal trainer....but I'm not hitting goals and maybe I should just go back to my DVDs...does that sound crazy?
nope it doesn't...I don't know many people who use a personal trainer that get the results they are after...however i know lots who go it alone and get great results...
My sister does the dvd's and is lean and visible muscle...she looks great.
I lift without a trainer, weight my food etc and getting great results...down almost 60lbs and from a size 16 to a 4.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...0 -
avedaprincess wrote: »@moi...I think in the past 3 weeks or so I've been logging with MFP...before that, following a hand out. While my goals are to be smaller, i realky like my shape I just want to be smaller. ..I was about 15 pounds lighter at this time last year and if I spray tanned , I was comfortable in a bikini. ..now I am most certainly not. I was doing jillian Michaels tapes last year...after stopping in the fall and holidays, I decided to spend a considerable amount of money and hire a personal trainer....but I'm not hitting goals and maybe I should just go back to my DVDs...does that sound crazy?
It doesn't sound crazy at all. Three months is usually enough to know if the trainer is giving you advice that works for you...assuming you are doing your part and following their plan. However, if you have only been logging three weeks, it's possible your calories were higher before, which would explain the small gain in weight. One idea is to be very strict with the logging and see what happens in the next few weeks and make a final evaluation. If you like your results, stick with it. If not, save your money and go back to the DVDs. You know that works for you. That's what I would do at least.
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
From what I understand it's down to the skill and consistency of the person doing the measurements. There's a sports science institute where I live that offers both methods (calipers and DEXA scan); they did a research study showing their results using the calipers were just as accurate.
They also issue very specific instructions, for example you're not allowed to exercise on the day of the test beforehand as it affects the thickness of the skin (?!) or something.0 -
Thanks everyone for your help
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
And glad to see you edited your other post...
Saying something is "precise" should imply that it can be used to show a trend. That's what precision is used for.
And yes, I did edit my post because my initial statement was incorrect.0 -
Alright, I made an appointment with a nutrionist at my doctors office. I'm cancelling trainer next week. Thanks to everyone for help. I'll get this figured out somehow!0
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galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
Precisely inaccurate is still inaccurate.
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Yep, but say the calipers give you 28, 27, 26, 25...even if your true, accurate BF% was 32, 31, 30, 29...you still know you are going in the right direction. And really, if you are happy with how your body looks, who cares if your "true" BF% is 20% or 22%?
Now, if you have someone getting imprecise measurements, and they measured 28, 31, 26, 30, that would be useless information.0 -
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If you understood the difference between "precise" and "accurate" you'd be able to understand the implications of what he wrote.galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
And glad to see you edited your other post...
He used exactly the right language. It's your understanding that's faulty.
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wow 6lbs of muscle in 3 months, that is quite a feat for a woman even eating at a surplus lifting heavy...get a new trainer...new gym...whatever you need to get the truth.
I've been lifting for 2 years and in a deficit 18months of that 2 years...maintenance for 6 months..I might have gained 1lb of muscle while in maintenance from recomp...and I was eating 1800 a day getting in at least 110 grams of protein.
i want to know where this magical land is that I can eat 1200 calories a day and gain 6 pounds of muscle in three months…..0 -
galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
How can calipers test visceral fat? @galgenstrick
Hydration level. You do know there is a fast period before you do a bod pod right? So that whole comment is completely false. Lots of wrong in this thread.0 -
avedaprincess wrote: »Alright, I made an appointment with a nutrionist at my doctors office. I'm cancelling trainer next week. Thanks to everyone for help. I'll get this figured out somehow!
I would suggest that you keep lifting heavy. Look into starting strength, new rules of lifting for woman, or strong lifts.
Also, if you are not accurately logging all your food and using a food scale than a nutritionist is not really going to help.
I would suggest tightening up your logging, getting a food scale, and getting on a structured lifting program for four weeks and see what happens.
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The calipers may be precise, the person doing the measuring isn't though. Measure accidentally at a little bit different place on your body than last time and you get a different reading.galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
And glad to see you edited your other post...
Saying something is "precise" should imply that it can be used to show a trend. That's what precision is used for.
And yes, I did edit my post because my initial statement was incorrect.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you understood the difference between "precise" and "accurate" you'd be able to understand the implications of what he wrote.galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
And glad to see you edited your other post...
He used exactly the right language. It's your understanding that's faulty.
no it's not...
precision is defined as marked by exactness and accuracy of expression or detail, the quality, condition or fact of being exact and accurate.
accuracy is defined as correct in all details; exact
Funny how accuracy is in the definition of precise...I get precision is how reproducible measurements are but calipers are neither accurate nor precise for most people...I don't even like them for tending unless you are accurate in the measurements which most aren't.
So again my original statements stands...calipers are not precise nor accurate in 99% of situations, and let me quote here from the person I was disagreeing withYou're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
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No. Just no. You don't grasp it at all. You're using definitions that have nothing to do with the context.DeguelloTex wrote: »
If you understood the difference between "precise" and "accurate" you'd be able to understand the implications of what he wrote.galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »galgenstrick wrote: »avedaprincess wrote: »I've been working with a personal trainer for 3 months now, lifting heavy 3x/week. We did measurements and calculations today...I'm still cubbies than I want to be, but I've gained 6 pounds of muscle, and lost 2 pounds of fat (according to the head trainer who did my calculations). My question is ...what can I do to lost more fat? I'm really getting discouraged. I am still in an 8-10 clothing size and will be covering up this summer at the lake if I can't get my weight under control. I've been eating 1200-1300 cals per day...I'm short, and would like to be wearing a size 6 again...any advice?
With all due respect, there are several things in your post that don't quite make sense.
Muscle gain is next to impossible when eating at a deficit......you can't make something out of nothing.
And since you are exercising and working with a PT there also will be no newbie gains, which are minimal anyway.
Even if you have gained some muscle, there is no way that it is six pounds in three month, because the hormonal make-up of women just makes this impossible.
It is also not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, because in order to lose fat you have to eat at a deficit and in order to gain muscle you have to eat at least at a slight increase. I think what is happening is that as you are losing fat your muscles become more visible. They are muscles you always had and not new ones.
I don't quite understand what is wrong with a size 8-10 even for a short person ( I am under five feet myself ), but in order to lose fat you just have to keep eating at a deficit and exercise.
On a personal note, I would probably have another trainer check my numbers again, because no matter if he is the head trainer or not, he is maybe just telling you stuff to impress you and keep you as a customer. Maybe you'd like to check with the weight lifting group here in MFP. Many of them are very knowledgeable when it comes to lifting and diet and I am sure they will tell you pretty much the same thing.
Good Luck !
It is definitely possible, but limited to individuals new to lifting.
no it's not eating at her levels doing a little lifting (3 months worth)...using calipers to measure....please.
I am not sure where you are getting your information but you need to regroup and re-evaluate.
Wow really? My comment was directed to the very general statement of "it's not possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time", it is possible. I already said that OP likely didn't gain muscle, and especially with her diet and routine. Why are you twisting my words?
How did I twist anything...you said calipers were precise...they are not.
If that comment was directed at the particular statement then make it more clear...as your statement was...it is possible...but limited to individuals new to lifting....which makes it sound like her scenario is plausible.
Calipers are precise if used correctly. If you measure the same spots in the same way every week they will give you a mm reading which will show you if there is less fat on those spots or not, and thus they will be precise. They will show a trend over time if you are loosing BF or not, but they wont necessarily be accurate like you said.
As for my comment about gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time, it was in response to the general statement that it was not possible. It is possible for some people, and that comment had nothing to do with OP's current routine and whether or not she could gain muscle and lose fat while doing that routine. It was purely saying, yes, it is possible to lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.
We will have to agree to disagree on the calipers...I do not believe they are accurate for anything...human error makes is so.
You're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
http://www.ncsu.edu/labwrite/Experimental Design/accuracyprecision.htm
I think the only thing calipers are good for are showing a trend as long as the person doing the measuring is "precise" but other than that...nope...even dexa/bod pods can be off due to hydration levels...
To your first point. That is exactly what I said.
To the second point. Dexa has nothing to do with hydration levels. Dexa measures the attenuation levels of x-rays in soft tissues and bone and is pretty accurate. Bod Pod has a pretty big error and a lot of factors that effect it, so I agree, it's not a good tool to use.
Bioimpedence scales / handhelds, definitely are affected by hydration since they measure the resistance of your body, and since water conducts much better than fat, you'll get imprecise and inaccurate readings.
Edit: I shouldn't have said "nothing to do with hydration levels" there will be a fluctuation in your fat free mass due to hydration which could affect any body fat measurement by a small percentage. This is a second order effect, and could throw off a measurement by about +/-1.5%, which is close as you can get to measuring body fat %.
If you said it shows the trend you were did not use good language to do so...as I reread what you posted and I don't see where you said you can see "trends".
And glad to see you edited your other post...
He used exactly the right language. It's your understanding that's faulty.
no it's not...
precision is defined as marked by exactness and accuracy of expression or detail, the quality, condition or fact of being exact and accurate.
accuracy is defined as correct in all details; exact
Funny how accuracy is in the definition of precise...I get precision is how reproducible measurements are but calipers are neither accurate nor precise for most people...I don't even like them for tending unless you are accurate in the measurements which most aren't.
So again my original statements stands...calipers are not precise nor accurate in 99% of situations, and let me quote here from the person I was disagreeing withYou're confusing the words "Precision" and "Accuracy" they are two completely different things:
my understanding is fine thanks...
"In the fields of science, engineering, industry, and statistics, the accuracy of a measurement system is the degree of closeness of measurements of a quantity to that quantity's true value. The precision of a measurement system, related to reproducibility and repeatability, is the degree to which repeated measurements under unchanged conditions show the same results."
Precision, in this context, has ZERO to do with accuracy. It has to do with repeatability. If you can't get that, that's on you. A thermometer that is always off by the same amount from the actual temperature isn't accurate, but it is precise. It's not that hard to see the difference.
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The calipers, as an instrument, are precise. The measurement system which includes the operator is not. The outcome is inaccurate.0
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Can someone tell me how calipers measure visceral fat? Or is the answer you can't therefore makes it almost a wasteful attempt to say anything that cannot be expressed with clothing, pictures, and mirrors.0
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