How I feel about some of these forums
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baby05phat wrote: »Everyone has their own definition of clean eating but it does exist for everyone.
For me personal clean eating is not touching my trigger foods, anything from fast food chains, anything in the junk food aisles and high gmo foods. If I follow that I feel great
Everyone has their own definition of happiness, too, but you can't then ask for suggestions or feedback on happiness and not expect some people to send you to church while others send you to porn.
Exactly. "Clean eating" has no real definition, so it shouldn't be touted around like it's the only correct way to eat.
Also, this is just a clean eating thread disguised as a mean people thread. Clever move, OP. That's a new one.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I can confirm it with myself, I become the rat when I binge and do a few days of mostly junk (even in my calorie range) I can't handle it and it escalates and I stop wanting clean food and the clean food starts tasting like paper.
If some people have it figured out with moderation thats awesome, but not everyone has. The only way to keep happy for me is to have healthy foods and desserts like dark chocolate, frozen banana ice cream, fruits etc
You turn into a rat? Some kind of transformation?
Didn't @stevencloser already do that?
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Or they can just cut and paste links while leaving out important information then later claim they didn't think it was "relevant". Amirite?????
No, you're talking bollocks and you know it.
I did find your recommendations on protein (other thread) quite useful though, so thank you for that information.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
Oooh, I think I'm going to do this for dinner (sans rice cooker). Nothing else in my house appeals to me.0 -
Dear lord, it's getting to the point where the misinformed hippies are causing more problems then the science deniers. And they're merging in to some mutant cancer ridden species because they ate GMOs.
I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.0 -
baby05phat wrote: »It was a study brought to people's attention on the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rats-starve-rather-than-eat-healthy-food/
Even going to the original source of the story there is no study linked. Those are both just news articles. We are wanting the actual study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947358/
In case they haven't linked it. Was a *kitten* to find.0 -
barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »barbecuesauce wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »I thought clean eating was just no take-out or junk food at all.
I usually have a massive garden salad, 1/2 an avocado, and some kind of protein and some kind of fruit for my lunch...didn't have time to get stuff together for today's lunch so I tossed my avocado into my lunch bag along with some cherries for desert and went and bought a full Asian Cashew Chicken salad from Wendy's. Is my lunch dirty since I didn't make the salad at home?
I did something similar, but I bought the salad from a local place called Protein Bar. It lists the ingredients so I could recreate the salad I bought at home and they are all ingredients I have and would happily use. But it was take out. So unclean?
I mean, the steel cut oats I had for breakfast were already unclean, since they had a bar code, and I also added--gasp!--protein powder to them, so I'm under no illusions about my filthy, filthy status, but just curious.
Did you add the powder before cooking or after?
I make the oats in my rice cooker and then add the powder and a bit more water. In all seriousness, I highly recommend this method to anyone with a rice cooker. Easiest thing in the world and they always come out perfectly with no fuss.
Also some blueberries, which--I admit it--came in a carton that also had a bar code.
Oooh, I think I'm going to do this for dinner (sans rice cooker). Nothing else in my house appeals to me.
When I was sick earlier this year I had basically just oatmeal for three days straight. It was crazy, but sometimes it's the perfect comfort food.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »It was a study brought to people's attention on the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rats-starve-rather-than-eat-healthy-food/
Even going to the original source of the story there is no study linked. Those are both just news articles. We are wanting the actual study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947358/
In case they haven't linked it. Was a *kitten* to find.
LOLOLOLOLOL. Yup, it was totes the fault of the food.0 -
QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
u mad?0 -
QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »Dear lord, it's getting to the point where the misinformed hippies are causing more problems then the science deniers. And they're merging in to some mutant cancer ridden species because they ate GMOs.
I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
This. When the above happens, it's usually the point where I close my browser and go walk the dog or wash the dishes. Something, anything, to not flip out and shout at my computer until the neighbours report me and some very nice people, with straightjackets and happy pills, tow me off.
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QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »baby05phat wrote: »It was a study brought to people's attention on the news
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rats-starve-rather-than-eat-healthy-food/
Even going to the original source of the story there is no study linked. Those are both just news articles. We are wanting the actual study.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947358/
In case they haven't linked it. Was a *kitten* to find.
LOLOLOLOLOL. Yup, it was totes the fault of the food.
Btw, I couldn't even find it in the archived issue of the magazine it was supposedly published in. That wasn't a good sign.0 -
Chrysalid2014 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
u mad?
Both of those things have happened within the past week.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
I don't need to hear qualifications to know if someone understands science. Scientist can recognize the writing style and thought patterns of other qualified scientists. Which is why we know when somebody doesn't understand what they're trying to defend.0 -
life is hard bro
the vocal people here know what works and have the data and results to back it up
So you are saying that those who talk the loudest ( or the most harsh in their way of stating things ) are those who know, because according to your logic having date and results depends on being vocal, while those members here who are a bit more reserved and not as vocal are all idiots ?
That's at least what I get from your statement.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »QueenBishOTUniverse wrote: »I also love how we're all for pointing to SCIENCE to back our wild claims, right up until you run in to someone who SCIENCES better then you do. Then science becomes biased twattle and personal experience is all that matters.
Yes, or berating someone's advice because of their lack of qualifications, and then on a separate thread slamming a different person who shares the fact that they have very advanced qualifications by saying qualifications don't mean anything.
u mad?
Both of those things have happened within the past week.
Oh you mean physioprof? Brb, making a second account calling myself QueenElizabethII. It must be true, right?0 -
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baby05phat wrote: »I can confirm it with myself, I become the rat when I binge and do a few days of mostly junk (even in my calorie range) I can't handle it and it escalates and I stop wanting clean food and the clean food starts tasting like paper.
If some people have it figured out with moderation thats awesome, but not everyone has. The only way to keep happy for me is to have healthy foods and desserts like dark chocolate, frozen banana ice cream, fruits etc
Or maybe you're using it as an excuse.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
Haha, totally agree, especially Nr. 1. I posted once, that IMO to much processed added sugar is bad for bones and teeth and a few people attacked me like asking me, where I read this and they want to see studies and proof, bla bla bla. It is what I believe after reading a few books about it. I do not have to proof anything. Everyone can do their own research and believe what they want. Luckily the thread got shot down cause people got so rude.
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life is hard bro
the vocal people here know what works and have the data and results to back it up
So you are saying that those who talk the loudest ( or the most harsh in their way of stating things ) are those who know, because according to your logic having date and results depends on being vocal, while those members here who are a bit more reserved and not as vocal are all idiots ?
That's at least what I get from your statement.
you're making incredibly terrible inferences.
in my personal experience, those here who are vocal and critical of others are also the ones who know their *kitten*. I am not implying causation, merely highlighting a correlation I have observed.
worry less about my employment of logic and more about your deductive/inductive reasoning skills.
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baby05phat wrote: »I can confirm it with myself, I become the rat when I binge and do a few days of mostly junk (even in my calorie range) I can't handle it and it escalates and I stop wanting clean food and the clean food starts tasting like paper.
If some people have it figured out with moderation thats awesome, but not everyone has. The only way to keep happy for me is to have healthy foods and desserts like dark chocolate, frozen banana ice cream, fruits etc
Or maybe you're using it as an excuse.
I don't see anyone making an excuse, I see someone explaining what she DOES need to do to keep this under control.
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Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Hi, I was the one who mentioned that people ask the same questions over and over again. I do not answer them. I was just stating that OP shouldn't expect the nicest of responses when the questions have been answered over and over again, usually the answer is on the same page, with the same question in the subject line, the same condescending people answering them. I like new people and expect questions. If you don't want the rude answers be a little more observant when you ask questions because the answer, 99% of the time, is right under your nose - too lazy to look for it. I do agree with everything else you said
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biggsterjackster wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
Haha, totally agree, especially Nr. 1. I posted once, that IMO sugar is bad for bones and teeth and a few people attacked me like asking me, where I read this and they want to see studies and proof, bla bla bla. It is what I believe after reading a few books about it. I do not have to proof anything. Everyone can do their own research and believe what they want. Luckily the thread got shot down cause people got so rude.
well...it's really not about beliefs and feelings...there's actual science and facts and whatnot to consider. that's what so many people seem to be missing...you can believe all you want that the earth is flat and the sun revolves around the earth...it doesn't make it factually so just because you believe it.0 -
Physioprof never said what she was or what qualifications she had she merely made some veiled comment that her username spoke volumes and gave her statements more validity than a long term poster who dared to ask questions in fact IIRC she said that said poster didn't have the right to ask such questions (I may be wrong on the latter bit though)0
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biggsterjackster wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
Haha, totally agree, especially Nr. 1. I posted once, that IMO to much processed added sugar is bad for bones and teeth and a few people attacked me like asking me, where I read this and they want to see studies and proof, bla bla bla. It is what I believe after reading a few books about it. I do not have to proof anything. Everyone can do their own research and believe what they want. Luckily the thread got shot down cause people got so rude.
How is asking you questions "attacking" you?0 -
biggsterjackster wrote: »Chrysalid2014 wrote: »Main problems with this forum:
1. People constantly demanding peer reviewed studies when someone posts a personal experience. We all know so-called scientific research can be biased, paid-for, factually incorrect or disproven by a better science next year. If all you want to do is read studies then why come to a board like this at all?
2. Endless squabbling about definitions: addiction and clean eating being two obvious contenders.
3. Close-minded, point-scoring debate as opposed to real productive dialogue. I'd like to listen to someone else's viewpoint and share mine and hopefully both of us would emerge with a greater understanding.
4. And yeah, unnecessary rudeness. If people are saying they're tired of answering the same questions over and over then... don't answer them! How often do you see a thread where the OP's question is answered correctly with the first reply, and it's then followed by twenty other replies in tones of increasing snarkiness, telling him/her the exact same information.
Totally. I posted a link to a study about and mentioned that I thought it was interesting and food for thought. People seemed to answer in very sarcastic and snarky ways. I wasn't telling people, hey. change the way you eat right now OHMYGOD, it was more oh, this is interesting. So yeah. I do see what you are saying.
Haha, totally agree, especially Nr. 1. I posted once, that IMO to much processed added sugar is bad for bones and teeth and a few people attacked me like asking me, where I read this and they want to see studies and proof, bla bla bla. It is what I believe after reading a few books about it. I do not have to proof anything. Everyone can do their own research and believe what they want. Luckily the thread got shot down cause people got so rude.
Yes, I actually remember reading that post and while people were busy shouting for research papers I went and googled the information for myself (because I was interested) and immediately found lots of stuff about sugar being linked to osteoporosis, which I didn't know before.
I don't like to suspect the worst of people but that kind of behaviour leads me to think they don't actually want the information at all...0
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