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  • Posts: 6,652 Member

    The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss
    WTF does that even mean?

    Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?

  • Posts: 105 Member
    By "not asking for your opinion" she means "asking for scientific facts."

    Refined sugar has no nutritional value, none it has no life force no vitamins and no minerals - sugar cane before it is refined does so if you still want to tell me one is equally as healthy as the other well ..................................

  • Posts: 818 Member

    The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force, vitamins and minerals it has no nutritional value sugar cane in its natural state before refinement still have nutrional value how sugar starts and how it ends up in your food are two totally different products if you don't know that then i'm at a loss

    Sugar has calories so saying it has no nutritional value is silly.
  • Posts: 105 Member
    WTF does that even mean?

    Are you arguing that carbs have no nutritional value?

    It is evident you were educated in the United States
  • Posts: 1,304 Member
    isulo_kura wrote: »

    Sugar has calories so saying it has no nutritional value is silly.

    Everything that has calories is not necessarily nutritious.
  • Posts: 1,650 Member

    It is evident you were educated in the United States

    And where were you educated that taught you sugar has a "life force"??

    And you didn't answer the questions posed to you.
  • Posts: 35,719 Member

    It is evident you were educated in the United States

    so what 'life force' does natural sugar have?
  • Posts: 6,652 Member

    It is evident you were educated in the United States
    I guess that means you can't answer either question.

    Where, exactly, did you get your education about the "life force" in sugar cane?

  • Posts: 730 Member
    edited June 2015

    No he posed the question that they would be equally healthy, I am clearly saying they wouldn't

    He said "if they are hitting their micros" and that includes vitamins, iron etc . So why wouldn't they be equally healthy is a very legitimate question. The only reason I can think of is if there were any harmful chemicals one person is ingesting and the other is not, and I mean harmful chemicals not safe to be eaten, not dihydrogen monoxide by the cupfuls and trace amounts of acetic acid in your salad.

    Do you have examples of such harmful chemicals in refined sugar products that are absent from other carb sources? Please share if you do. I am nit being snarky, it would be interesting to read a study from a reputable journal on this topic.
  • Posts: 1,304 Member

    It is evident you were educated in the United States

    What is that supposed to mean?
  • Posts: 14,464 Member
    The refining process of sugar you buy in stores depletes it of all life force....
    Can we isolate life force from our food products or is it an ineffable quality, like the Breath of God on clay?
    it has no nutritional value....
    Why, yes it does. It is pure carbohydrate, one of the Macros. Macro means big. As in important.
  • Posts: 6,652 Member

    Refined sugar has no nutritional value, none it has no life force no vitamins and no minerals - sugar cane before it is refined does so if you still want to tell me one is equally as healthy as the other well ..................................
    It has carbs. Is there no nutritional value in carbs? What's the nutritional value in the "life force" of sugar cane? Can I find that on a label somewhere?

  • Posts: 138 Member
    Sugar Health Effects

    There is nothing inherently worse about refined sugar, except that it's pretty much wasted calories. When it comes to simple sugars, they're all the same. Granted fructose is a much more easily absorbed sugar than sucrose, but if we're talking about something like white Dixie Crystals vs. Turbinado sugar one is not more inherently nutritious. Doctors and nutritionists agree that honey and maple syrup make better sweeteners, not because they're better for you, but because they are more intense in flavor and you don't need as much as you do table sugar to sweeten food.
  • Posts: 105 Member
    3bambi3 wrote: »

    And where were you educated that taught you sugar has a "life force"??

    And you didn't answer the questions posed to you.

    So by that statement I assume you believe that sugar wasn't living when it was growing? That it didn't have vitamins and minerals that are depleted in the refinement processing leaving it as nothing more than an empty calorie filler with no nutrional value?

  • Posts: 29 Member
    I think what everybody is failing to do is stick with the actual topic posted.

    This argument could go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever but the fact is, both sides are failing to look at the other and failing just as much to put any factual evidence on the board.

    I mean, really, it's like reading the comments on Youtube videos.
  • Posts: 344 Member
    edited June 2015
    How about a handful of almonds and a piece of fruit like a clementine? My problem with snacks like that is they make me want more snacks like that...they aren't 'satisfying'.
  • Posts: 35,719 Member

    So by that statement I assume you believe that sugar wasn't living when it was growing? That it didn't have vitamins and minerals that are depleted in the refinement processing leaving it as nothing more than an empty calorie filler with no nutrional value?

    so by that logic bread has no life force? what about yoghurt? or cheese? pasta?
  • Posts: 14,776 Member
    Thanks all, what are these macro and micro targets everyone has mentioned?

    Macros are your macro nutrients: fat, carbs, and protein. MFP has given you one possible breakdown for your macros, but I think it's important to note that it's not the only possible ratio for weight loss. You can customize it based on your personal needs and preferences.

    Micros (micronutrients) are all of the other vitamins and minerals your body needs. Everything from vitamin C to potassium to iron and calcium.
  • Posts: 6,652 Member
    JSurita2 wrote: »

    Everything that has calories is not necessarily nutritious.
    "Nutritious," however you choose to define the word, wasn't the issue.

    Carbs have nutritional value.
    Sugar has carbs.
    Therefore, sugar has nutritional value.


  • Posts: 29 Member
    TnTWalter wrote: »
    How about a handful of almonds and a piece of fruit like a clementine?

    I find that fruit with nuts is a huge helper. I like having a boost of protein with my snacks.
    On that same topic of protein, I just discovered lovely, lovely Wasa crackers. I take about two tablespoons of prepared tuna (I would highly recommend trying plain Greek yogurt instead of mayo) and spread it on. It's quick, it's delicious, and healthy.
  • Posts: 730 Member
    We're spiraling in yet another straw-man argument. Nobody is saying "refined sugar is nutritionally equal to fruit". People have been trying to explain that sugar from refined sugar is nutritionally equal to sugar from fruit. It was explicitly said that if someone meets their macros (carbs, protein, fat) and micros (vitamins, minerals, etc etc) then it matters precious little what source of sugar you used to get the XYZ grams of sugar you ate.
  • Posts: 138 Member
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  • Posts: 6,212 Member
    To the OP:

    "Healthy" is a term that needs to be applied to an entire diet, not individual foods. Foods, when viewed in a vaccuum, are not individually 'healthy' or 'unhealthy'. An entire diet can be healthy or unhealthy though, and needs to consider your calorie/macro/micro needs, your activity, and your goals.

    To the sidebar:

    WTF - life force? Does that mean the person who advocated this only gnaws on live animals and plants for sustinence?
  • Posts: 29 Member
    I feel so bad for OP.
  • Posts: 35,719 Member

    Do you know what being thick means?

    well that's not very nice is it... surely if you believe in 'life forces' you also believe in Karma...?
  • Posts: 92 Member
    For me, snacks are not filling. I would rather go hungry in between meals and then eat something of substance. There is no medical or health need to eat snacks throughout the day.

    I recommend to others that they simply drop snacks altogether to meet calorie goals. When hungry, drink something calorie-free instead.
  • Posts: 1,304 Member
    "Nutritious," however you choose to define the word, wasn't the issue.

    Carbs have nutritional value.
    Sugar has carbs.
    Therefore, sugar has nutritional value.


    I did not say that was the issue. The poster I quoted said "Sugar has calories so it's silly to say it's not nutritious". My point was calling something nutritious just because it has calories is what's actually silly.
  • Posts: 8,680 Member
    edited June 2015

    So what you are saying is its ok to miss out on all the vitamins and minerals in fruits and natural carbs and choose added sugar corn syrup laden cereals as long as you hit your macros lol
    @belleamore1234 You never answered the question. Who is healthier? Please look at the quote so you see what I bold for you since you didn't know the difference of macros and micros. Micros are you vitamins and minerals. Macros are fats, proteins, and carbs since you didn't.
  • Posts: 6,652 Member
    I think what everybody is failing to do is stick with the actual topic posted.

    This argument could go on forever and ever and ever and ever and ever but the fact is, both sides are failing to look at the other and failing just as much to put any factual evidence on the board.

    I mean, really, it's like reading the comments on Youtube videos.
    I think you need to read the posts more closely.

    It was pointed out that the sugar -- and fat -- weren't inherently bad and that the snacks in question were fine if they fit within the OP's caloric and macro goals. Then the "life force" of sugar cane got injected into the conversation. But, yeah, if the other side of the argument is "lack of life force in the food" I'm certainly not persuaded.

  • Posts: 112 Member
    You could basically have a Snickers bar for the calorie "cost" of one Crunchy Linseed with Cranberry and one Almonds Cranberry & Coconut crispbread mini.

    I think "healthy" packaged snacks are a rip-off. If you want a healthy snack, a handful of actual almonds, dried cranberries and dried coconuts would be cheaper and healthier.

    If you want a sweet treat, then have a Snickers (or whatever), log the calories, and enjoy it!
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