Is A Calorie Really A Calorie?

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  • 999tigger
    999tigger Posts: 5,235 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    999tigger wrote: »

    I got really frustrated on Monday because I fainted on the train due to low blood sugar, and to get it up I drank some juice and ate a banana, and to keep it level from there I had pepitas. We were on our way out for dinner though, and once I felt better I was starving but scared to eat anything because the juice, banana, and pepitas had cost me 400 calories.

    That's sorta what sparked the argument with my bf in the first place.

    So putting the debate aside (it makes my eyes bleed) I make the following observations.

    1. Fainting isnt cool, it looks silly, it can be a pain if you knock your head against the ground. Its more importnat to avoid than anything you might achieve in the diet.
    2. Perhaps you need to control your diet better and what you consume so your blood sugar levels are stable through the day rather thna the crashing, hence being careful with the junk and trying to get a stable supply of energy imo complex carbs are your friend or regular small snack eating as opposed to simple carbs. A breakfast of something like oats is a ood way of getting some sustained energy into you. Its not usual to faint, so maybe your calorie level is just too low overall or you arent hydrated.
    3. Banana, juice and pepitas were all good choices. the bit about costing you calories an being scared to eat is wrong though, simply put eating for your health and in this situation has priority. You cna always make it up later by more exercise or better allocation of calories.
    4. I havent seen you day you have a medical condition, but if you faint again then you should consider seeing your Dr. It may have been you were dehydrated or you arent eatung enough, it should be a minimum 1200.
    5. You might wnat to get some friends with open diaries to see what they eat.
    6. I cnat work out whther the fainting was a one off or blood sugars are your thing? Diabetics have to pay a lot of attention to blood sugar levels and theres ons of ood advice on these links about blood sugar levels, diet and exercise here. https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/managing-your-diabetes/healthy-eating/
    7. http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diet/nhs-diet-advice.html
    8. Im not saying you are diabetic, but the same principles will apply for controlling blood sugar. It might be just eating regular , enough and complex cabs will sort it.
    9. Get some friends to look at your diary and diet to make sure you are eating enough and that your plan is sustainable.

    Hope that was a bit more constructive and you cna make some changes so you dont faint again and impornatly you change your diet so you are less hungry as hat can be a diet killer. On a calorie counting website, then people have proven that accurate calorie counting has been the key to their success. Good luck
  • crazyjerseygirl
    crazyjerseygirl Posts: 1,252 Member
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    Ok folks. A calorie is:
    cal·o·rie
    ˈkal(ə)rē/
    noun
    either of two units of heat energy.
    the energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 °C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules).
    noun: small calorie; plural noun: small calories
    the energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 kilogram of water through 1 °C, equal to one thousand small calories and often used to measure the energy value of foods.
    noun: large calorie; plural noun: large calories


    So tell me, how can a UNIT OF ENERGY be anything other than a unit of energy?
  • shadow2soul
    shadow2soul Posts: 7,692 Member
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    So tell me, how can a UNIT OF ENERGY be anything other than a unit of energy?

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  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
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    eating food to prevent yourself from fainting is more important than possibly going over your calories

    I agree so much I'm going to repeat that.

    Eating food to prevent yourself from fainting is more important than possibly going over your calories.
  • crazyjerseygirl
    crazyjerseygirl Posts: 1,252 Member
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    So tell me, how can a UNIT OF ENERGY be anything other than a unit of energy?

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    Deepak, is that you?
  • tomatoey
    tomatoey Posts: 5,459 Member
    edited June 2015
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    Someone already said it but repeating: the calculators only offer estimates. You figure out your actual maintenance calories by logging your intake and seeing what happens on the scale (over a few weeks). If you're eating 2200 and the number on the scale isn't budging, 2200 is your maintenance.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,943 Member
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    Is an inch really an inch?

    Perfect answer.

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    That said: @MaiLinna, you lose weight by eating less calories than you burn no matter where the calories come from.

    A calorie is definitely a calorie when it comes to weight loss.

    The reason you lost weight is because you ate less overall.

    I say this while I 100% endorse quality of food, but this has everything to do with nutritional balance and not weight loss.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,943 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    Calories are important and good tools of course, but I'm not so sure they're the end all be all anymore. Measuring food is inaccurate. Maybe calories aren't 100% accurate for every food in the first place.

    But, weighing food IS accurate.
  • FitForL1fe
    FitForL1fe Posts: 1,872 Member
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    lol didn't we just have this thread?

    now I'm starting to understand why most other forums are filled with people who yell "USE THE SEARCH FEATURE"

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  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,160 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    My boyfriend and I were stating to debate the age old question: is a calorie really a calorie? In his argument, he used my body as an example. If a calorie were truly a calorie, I would have gained weight in the past month. I only logged for about a week, and prior to that I would eat whatever I wanted. It wasn't unhealthy except for the sweets, but otherwise I was eating far too many calories over maintenance.

    However, because I was eating lots of fruits and vegetables and healthy fats, etc, I didn't gain weight. In fact, I was the same weight as I was before I got on the plane a month ago. (Except I probably weigh less now because when I weighed myself a day ago I was *excuse me* rather bloated, gassy, and hadn't used the restroom properly in 2 days so I was a bit backed up and may have had excess weight.)

    He went on to explain that calories are energy produced when a substance is burned, and our bodies don't work quite the same way, but they are similar. He noted that my fear of calories restrains some of my healthier choices, like eating avocados or slamming down an extra banana and apple because my stomach's growling.

    He believes in quality of food, not quantity. His food choices, however, are naturally pretty low in calories until he makes a stir fry. He loves sesame oil, and will easily throw down 3-4 tablespoons of the stuff. His normal day consists of: coffee with cream and sugar in the morning, a frozen burrito/samosa, a Starbucks Frapp during his work break, dinner either at home or out which will usually be a rice/asian pasta dish with vegetables and tofu, then he'll commonly have a second serving or if he's out order a couple sushi rolls, and during his after dinner 2 mile walk he'll get more Starbucks, then late at night he'll either have more dinner leftovers or cook up a plate full of rice. If he's still hungry, he'll slam half a bag of tortilla chips.

    He is not the healthiest of eaters, and he always commends me on my healthy eating except for my sugar/chocolate addiction. He doesn't eat much during the day, but at night he slams it down. He's practically vegan because all he eats are rice and vegetables, but he always varies the vegetables and preaches about eating a rainbow and such.

    I'm just not sure anymore. I tried to point out what he eats is normally low calorie but then he reminded me of all the junk he eats at night.

    Sounds like he is a smart, informed and common sense guy when it comes to humans and calories.

  • Mr_Knight
    Mr_Knight Posts: 9,532 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    M...I was eating far too many calories over maintenance.

    If you didn't log, you don't know that.


  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
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    I am so confused. Did I get this right?

    Two people eat different diets...One is obsessing over every little thing that crosses her lips, faints on a train, and won't eat dinner that night because she had a banana. The other is eating whatever he feels like and because he isn't gaining weight, assumes that means that he is exceeding maintenance levels and the quality of the food invalidates basic principles of CICO. Yet the food he's eating isn't exactly the "cleanest" of choices.

    What exactly is the argument and/or question?

    OP how about this....How about you and your boyfriend continue with exactly the same habits as today, only weighing and logging the food and accurately estimating your calorie burns for about 4 weeks, then come back and tell us what the results were.

    And in the meantime see a GP about your fainting and a psychologist about your disordered eating tendencies.
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
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    Not to false dichotomy, but there seem two possibilities
    1. Professional nutrition scientists with advanced lab equipment testing humans in controlled labs are screwing up every time they do these controlled studies.
    2. The majority of regular people have Dunning Kruger effect making them think they've observed a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.

    Occam's razor points me at number 2 being the answer.
  • ksrandall777
    ksrandall777 Posts: 11 Member
    edited June 2015
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    However, because I was eating lots of fruits and vegetables and healthy fats, etc, I didn't gain weight. In fact, I was the same weight as I was before I got on the plane a month ago. (Except I probably weigh less now because when I weighed myself a day ago I was *excuse me* rather bloated, gassy, and hadn't used the restroom properly in 2 days so I was a bit backed up and may have had excess weight.)

    He went on to explain that calories are energy produced when a substance is burned, and our bodies don't work quite the same way, but they are similar. He noted that my fear of calories restrains some of my healthier choices, like eating avocados or slamming down an extra banana and apple because my stomach's growling.

    It sounds to me that your boyfriend is concerned about your fiber intake. He just doesn't know how to say it. An adult woman needs 21 to 25 grams of fiber everyday. If you've been logging your food, you should check to see how much fiber you're getting in your diet. In your MFP account, click on Reports. Under "Choose a report", click the down arrow and choose "Fiber". That will bring up a chart of how much fiber you've been eating every day. If you are getting all the fiber you need, you could show the chart to him.

    Why should you eat fiber? This article from the Mayo Clinic explains all: http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/nutrition-and-healthy-eating/in-depth/fiber/art-20043983

    If your fiber count is lower than 21 grams, an easy way for a sugar addict to get fiber is with Fiber One bars and brownies. There is even Fiber One cereal!

    You shouldn't be afraid of eating fruits and veggies either. Many of them are low in calories, and work well with a CICO diet. For example: 2 cups of Earthbound Farms' Power Salad (Swiss chard, Kale, and Spinach) is only 20 calories!

    If you don't like fruits or vegetables, you can start start acquiring the taste for them by switching out one of your snack packs with a fruit or vegetable based snack. Things like Apple Crisps, Veggie Straws, Trader Joe's Sweet Potato Chips, and even dried fruit are great "training wheels" foods.

    I used to be like you when I was your age. I preferred junk food snack packs over healthy food. In my case, I hated fruits, veggies, and fiber until I discovered snack foods that are full of them. I used these snack foods as a way to train myself to get used to the taste of fruits/veggies and created positive memories associated with these foods. Now I can eat regular fruits and veggies without any problems.
  • ksrandall777
    ksrandall777 Posts: 11 Member
    edited June 2015
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    Regarding your boyfriend's love of sesame oil, it's a healthy oil with powerful antioxidants that prevents diseases and provides alot of health benefits. You can read more about it at the links below:

    http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/news/20030428/sesame-oil-benefits-blood-pressure

    http://www.livestrong.com/article/17951-health-benefits-sesame-oil/

    http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/health-benefits-sesame-seed-oil-vs-olive-oil-6925.html

    Yes, sesame oil is a fat and has calories. It also helps improve health, so it's worth spending some calories on it. It's nothing like those junky trans fats (aka hydrogenated oil and partially hydrogenated oil)
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    He believes in quality of food, not quantity
    If he eats over maintenance, even if it's organic unicorn, he'll gain weight. Period.

    @DeguelloTex

    I shall now log off from the internet as nothing can ever beat that phrase

    :bigsmile:
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,658 Member
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    rabbitjb wrote: »
    MaiLinna wrote: »
    He believes in quality of food, not quantity
    If he eats over maintenance, even if it's organic unicorn, he'll gain weight. Period.

    @DeguelloTex

    I shall now log off from the internet as nothing can ever beat that phrase

    :bigsmile:
    Thank Zod I used "it's" correctly, then.

  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
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    MaiLinna wrote: »
    He believes in quality of food, not quantity
    If he eats over maintenance, even if it's organic unicorn, he'll gain weight. Period.

    Inevitably, as "maintenance" means "the amount of food to stay the same weight"
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,658 Member
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    yarwell wrote: »
    MaiLinna wrote: »
    He believes in quality of food, not quantity
    If he eats over maintenance, even if it's organic unicorn, he'll gain weight. Period.

    Inevitably, as "maintenance" means "the amount of food to stay the same weight"
    Apparently not inevitably, if you've read OP's boyfriend's thoughts on the matter.