Best cardio/weight loss machines at the gym

999tigger wrote: »

If you are talking about one machine being better than another (for calorie burns) then its really more dependant on the user rather than the machine. Im also ignoring the truism of use the one you like etc.

In terms of the cardio then the rower will also give you a full body workout, but if you dont put the effort in, then you could burn more calories using any of the other machines. I see many people just going through the motions and spending more time surfing the net or just wandering around so an hours exercise isnt really an hours actual exercise more an hour they just happened to be in the gym.

Im also ignoring the exercise is for health, cardio v weights v kitchen etc etc zzzzzz arguments.

Agree with all this. And after doing actual rowing, very few people use a rower correctly. If you do want to use a rower, search for videos online how to use it properly. The best videos refer to the rower by correct name (ergometer) and are coaches of racing teams or rowing clubs.

IN general it's great for compliance for a lot of people. Not necessary, no, but really, really helpful. And it's good for other reasons too. No need to pi$$ on anyone who suggests cardio can help, come on

tomatoey wrote: »

IN general it's great for compliance for a lot of people. Not necessary, no, but really, really helpful. And it's good for other reasons too. No need to pi$$ on anyone who suggests cardio can help, come on

Who ever said that cardio doesn't help for numerous different health related things?

What was stated was that exercise doesn't make you "lose weight much faster" which, frankly, shouldn't really be anyones goal. That could be left for another discussion.

It was also stated that spot reduction doesn't happen.

So, again, whats your point?

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

superflyrun wrote: »

These guys are making it way to difficult, jump on the machine you enjoy the most, for me it is the cross trainer, set it to the levels that allow you to get an intense workout in, whatever that is for YOU, then go for it girl! If you enjoy switching up, then do it. You will loose weight much faster by the longer and harder your cardio workouts are! I gibe about 45 min to my cross trainer, while on it I switch it up I use weights, I change my resistance to work different muscles, ect. Then I gibe about 30 min to weight training, while you don't burn as many calories, you can do some more work on focused areas like your love handles, toning those areas and making them look good! Jump on aachine, rock your workouts, eat healthy and you'll see lbs drop and you'll be happy!

How many different ways can I say that this is all wrong?

Exercise doesn't make you lose weight.

You cannot spot tone and lose fat in specific locations.

Just for starters.

It isn't wrong for some people. Cardio can help regulate appetite in some people and it does give a margin of error for food. And increasing resistance does call on muscle work.

Where did she say anything about regulating appetite, allowing a margin of error for food and anything about muscle work?

She didn't have to for any of that to be true

You were defending what she wrote, but you didn't write anything relevant to what she or I wrote.

What was the point?

What I wrote was absolutely relevant to those people who do benefit from cardio for weight loss. And that's about as much time as I'm giving to this discussion.

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

IN general it's great for compliance for a lot of people. Not necessary, no, but really, really helpful. And it's good for other reasons too. No need to pi$$ on anyone who suggests cardio can help, come on

Who ever said that cardio doesn't help for numerous different health related things?

What was stated was that exercise doesn't make you "lose weight much faster" which, frankly, shouldn't really be anyones goal. That could be left for another discussion.

It was also stated that spot reduction doesn't happen.

So, again, whats your point?

My point is that it can help people lose weight faster, if it helps people stick to a larger deficit than they would otherwise. And it does contribute to that deficit. Some people need to have cardio in there to make any headway.

So you're suggesting that people lose weight faster than what is already recommended to them?

The entire point of the MFP system is that you've already developed a calorie defecit to lose the appropriate amount of weight. Any greater deficit you develop from exercise should be eaten back.

If you're using TDEE, then exercise does not create a greater deficit at all.

Exercise should be seen as a recreational activity - something you do for fun (because if it's not fun, you won't do it for long) or to develop your fitness and physical health.

However, if you wanted to make your original point that you can use it to lose weight faster, you should have said that in the first place, instead of bouncing around from irrelevant point to irrelevant point.

Cardio is a great thing and everyone should do it regardless of age, gender, physical capacity, or whatever. However, you should already be eating the appropriate amount to lose weight at a healthy rate and if you add in exercise, you should be fueling yourself appropriately for the exercise - not to lose weight.

Oh, and you still can't spot reduce.

TR0berts wrote: »

auddii wrote: »

999tigger wrote: »

superflyrun wrote: »

These guys are making it way to difficult, jump on the machine you enjoy the most, for me it is the cross trainer, set it to the levels that allow you to get an intense workout in, whatever that is for YOU, then go for it girl! If you enjoy switching up, then do it. You will loose weight much faster by the longer and harder your cardio workouts are! I gibe about 45 min to my cross trainer, while on it I switch it up I use weights, I change my resistance to work different muscles, ect. Then I gibe about 30 min to weight training, while you don't burn as many calories, you can do some more work on focused areas like your love handles, toning those areas and making them look good! Jump on aachine, rock your workouts, eat healthy and you'll see lbs drop and you'll be happy!

And that was simpler?

Stating the same thing we said but in a longer paragraph is much simpler. Duh.

Not quite the same - that poster is also talking about spot-reduction.

So, just a big fat "NO" on that one. Big fat "YES" to the previous others.

Doh! Should have actually read the reply all the way through.

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

IN general it's great for compliance for a lot of people. Not necessary, no, but really, really helpful. And it's good for other reasons too. No need to pi$$ on anyone who suggests cardio can help, come on

Who ever said that cardio doesn't help for numerous different health related things?

What was stated was that exercise doesn't make you "lose weight much faster" which, frankly, shouldn't really be anyones goal. That could be left for another discussion.

It was also stated that spot reduction doesn't happen.

So, again, whats your point?

My point is that it can help people lose weight faster, if it helps people stick to a larger deficit than they would otherwise. And it does contribute to that deficit. Some people need to have cardio in there to make any headway.

So you're suggesting that people lose weight faster than what is already recommended to them?

The entire point of the MFP system is that you've already developed a calorie defecit to lose the appropriate amount of weight. Any greater deficit you develop from exercise should be eaten back.

If you're using TDEE, then exercise does not create a greater deficit at all.

Exercise should be seen as a recreational activity - something you do for fun (because if it's not fun, you won't do it for long) or to develop your fitness and physical health.

However, if you wanted to make your original point that you can use it to lose weight faster, you should have said that in the first place, instead of bouncing around from irrelevant point to irrelevant point.

Cardio is a great thing and everyone should do it regardless of age, gender, physical capacity, or whatever. However, you should already be eating the appropriate amount to lose weight at a healthy rate and if you add in exercise, you should be fueling yourself appropriately for the exercise - not to lose weight.

Oh, and you still can't spot reduce.

What? I didn't encourage the OP, specifically, to lose faster.

If you can't see the relevance of the points I made, well I'm sorry (for you) but that's not my problem.

What does spot reduction have to do with anything?

Relevance:

She said: "You will loose weight much faster by the longer and harder your cardio workouts are!"

I said: "Exercise doesn't make you lose weight." (as in, eating properly does and exercise will not fix a bad diet).

You said: "It isn't wrong for some people. Cardio can help regulate appetite in some people and it does give a margin of error for food. And increasing resistance does call on muscle work."

So, where's the relevance?

Let me break it down to simple terms:

She said: "Exercise makes you lose weight."

I said: "Exercise doesn't make you lose weight."

You said: "Exercise helps you with eating food."

So yeah, obviously eating food has something to do with how much weight you can lose, but if you focus on exercise alone, it will not make you lose weight.




On the other half:

She said: "weight training, while you don't burn as many calories, you can do some more work on focused areas like your love handles, toning those areas and making them look good!"

I said: "You cannot spot tone and lose fat in specific locations."

You said: "increasing resistance does call on muscle work."

I think that one is fairly self-explanatory.




Besides, I thought you were done being butthurt?





ETA: I didn't say you did suggest the OP should lose weight faster.

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

chivalryder wrote: »

tomatoey wrote: »

IN general it's great for compliance for a lot of people. Not necessary, no, but really, really helpful. And it's good for other reasons too. No need to pi$$ on anyone who suggests cardio can help, come on

Who ever said that cardio doesn't help for numerous different health related things?

What was stated was that exercise doesn't make you "lose weight much faster" which, frankly, shouldn't really be anyones goal. That could be left for another discussion.

It was also stated that spot reduction doesn't happen.

So, again, whats your point?

My point is that it can help people lose weight faster, if it helps people stick to a larger deficit than they would otherwise. And it does contribute to that deficit. Some people need to have cardio in there to make any headway.

So you're suggesting that people lose weight faster than what is already recommended to them?

The entire point of the MFP system is that you've already developed a calorie defecit to lose the appropriate amount of weight. Any greater deficit you develop from exercise should be eaten back.

If you're using TDEE, then exercise does not create a greater deficit at all.

Exercise should be seen as a recreational activity - something you do for fun (because if it's not fun, you won't do it for long) or to develop your fitness and physical health.

However, if you wanted to make your original point that you can use it to lose weight faster, you should have said that in the first place, instead of bouncing around from irrelevant point to irrelevant point.

Cardio is a great thing and everyone should do it regardless of age, gender, physical capacity, or whatever. However, you should already be eating the appropriate amount to lose weight at a healthy rate and if you add in exercise, you should be fueling yourself appropriately for the exercise - not to lose weight.

Oh, and you still can't spot reduce.

What? I didn't encourage the OP, specifically, to lose faster.

If you can't see the relevance of the points I made, well I'm sorry (for you) but that's not my problem.

What does spot reduction have to do with anything?

Relevance:

She said: "You will loose weight much faster by the longer and harder your cardio workouts are!"

I said: "Exercise doesn't make you lose weight." (as in, eating properly does and exercise will not fix a bad diet).

You said: "It isn't wrong for some people. Cardio can help regulate appetite in some people and it does give a margin of error for food. And increasing resistance does call on muscle work."

So, where's the relevance?

Let me break it down to simple terms:

She said: "Exercise makes you lose weight."

I said: "Exercise doesn't make you lose weight."

You said: "Exercise helps you with eating food."

So yeah, obviously eating food has something to do with how much weight you can lose, but if you focus on exercise alone, it will not make you lose weight.




On the other half:

She said: "weight training, while you don't burn as many calories, you can do some more work on focused areas like your love handles, toning those areas and making them look good!"

I said: "You cannot spot tone and lose fat in specific locations."

You said: "increasing resistance does call on muscle work."

I think that one is fairly self-explanatory.




Besides, I thought you were done being butthurt?





ETA: I didn't say you did suggest the OP should lose weight faster.

Dude. Stop putting words in my mouth and please read the things I actually wrote. "but if you focus on exercise alone, it will not make you lose weight." I said nothing like this, I have no idea where you're getting this from.

Resistance does call on muscle work. I said nothing about "spot reduction".

I suggest you drop your condescending tone. You're not able to back it up with reading comp skillz

Those weren't your words, they were mine. See the quotes around what you said, that's what you said. I was summarizing what I just said.

No one said it didn't. However, she insinuated that it can spot reduce. I said it could. Then you jumped in in what appeared to be a defense of the OP, so it is easy to put two and two together.

It's funny you say such things, because if you had the "skillz" you speak of, you would be doing more than just bitching about what I'm writing and actually come up with something solid to back your defense, instead of just jumping around from point to point and accusing me of things I clearly haven't done.








Besides, I thought you were done being butthurt and you were leaving this conversation?

Those are all good cardio workouts, I would recommend doing an hour per day on one of them vice rotating every 20 minutes. An hour of rowing is pretty brutal, probably keep that one to 30 minutes. I'd also suggest adding some strength training.