Under eating??
AspenDan
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Sooooo I've been tracking and using the app for a little over a week, eating "clean" the whole time. Now I'm 6'1, 320, and every app/website says I need to eat about 2500 calories just to maintain, before exercising. Now, eating clean and exercising, I've only been eating between 1200-1600 calories a day.
The thing is, I'm never hungry, I eat a LOT of food I feel like. For instance a typical day will be a serving and a half of oatmeal, with some peanut butter, then i'll eat like a couple pieces of toast, each with a serving of cream cheese or peanut butter on them for lunch, and later I'll eat a big meal (like 800 calories) of chicken, veggies and potatoes.
The bottom line is that I feel full, I'm eating healthy stuff, but I'm routinely under my caloric goal by over a thousand, every day. Am I going to go into "starvation mode", even though I never feel starving?? Should I eat even when I'm not hungry to come close to my caloric goal? Or should I just chill the hell out and keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks much, Dan.
The thing is, I'm never hungry, I eat a LOT of food I feel like. For instance a typical day will be a serving and a half of oatmeal, with some peanut butter, then i'll eat like a couple pieces of toast, each with a serving of cream cheese or peanut butter on them for lunch, and later I'll eat a big meal (like 800 calories) of chicken, veggies and potatoes.
The bottom line is that I feel full, I'm eating healthy stuff, but I'm routinely under my caloric goal by over a thousand, every day. Am I going to go into "starvation mode", even though I never feel starving?? Should I eat even when I'm not hungry to come close to my caloric goal? Or should I just chill the hell out and keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks much, Dan.
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Starvation mode is a myth.
Do you weigh all your food on a scale? Going by what you say you're eating I think you're probably eating more than you realise.0 -
It's OK to eat under your limit for a while, but if you leave it too long, you might find yourself getting a bit tired and lose motivation.
Starvation mode is a myth, but burnout is real.
Make sure you don't fetishise your food or deprive yourself, otherwise you'll end up playing "catch-up" before too long and going overboard.
Everything in moderation.0 -
I get that, but I'm new to this and only know of a few foods that are healthy and such. I'll keep working on it. But considering I'm not getting hungry, do you think I'm doing ok with the caloric intake??0
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I wish I got 2500 calories to play with every day
I am sure you'll be OK - my only concern would be if you feel deprived you may binge. But if you're OK with what you're eating, why change?
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Looks legit to me! You're eating a lot of bulk, so that's not too surprising.0
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You have a lot of cup & tablespoon measurements in your diary. They aren't accurate for solid food, you need to use a digital food scale. Also things like banana - it just says 1 medium. You need to weigh everything if you want a true representation of how many calories you're eating.
It won't make much difference whilst you have a lot to lose, but as you get nearer your goal it will make a big difference.
But for now, if you aren't hungry and the weight is coming off then I wouldn't worry too much.
Probably should point out that the minimum recommended intake for men is 1500 calories too.0 -
Well I mean, I do weigh pretty much everything, the bbq sauce and peanut butter say tbsp but really I converted them out to 15grams per tbsp. I'll keep measuring things precisely tho.
You really think I should up my intake to at least 1500? I mean, I really don't get hungry, so the caloric minimum baffles me.0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »Well I mean, I do weigh pretty much everything, the bbq sauce and peanut butter say tbsp but really I converted them out to 15grams per tbsp. I'll keep measuring things precisely tho.
You really think I should up my intake to at least 1500? I mean, I really don't get hungry, so the caloric minimum baffles me.
1500 is the minimum recommended for a man. 1200 for a woman. That's the base rate people typically need to fuel their bodies basic functions. Then you should eat back a portion of your exercise calories on top.
If you're confident you're calorie count is correct you could try adding nuts and healthy fats to your diet like olive oil or avocado to increase calories without adding too much food.
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1. Not that it really matters to your situation right now, since your starting weight is high enough to cope with the discrepancies, but... that typical day doesn't show you WEIGHING your food. It shows you measuring it. Cups and spoons aren't at all accurate for measuring solids, so you may well be eating more than you think. That could be why you aren't as hungry as you should be for the number of calories you are logging. Weigh all the things. :-)
2. If you aren't hungry, don't force yourself to eat more. However, you don't have to eat ONLY 'healthy' foods to lose weight. In fact the consensus among successful dieters on MFP is that you should have a good balance of whole foods and treats. Eat in a way you can eat forever, and that way you'll keep off the weight you lose.
3. 1500 calories is the minimum you need, as a man, to get all the nutrients you need. The ones that keep all your bits and pieces healthy and working properly. At your size, I dare say you need a bit more than 1500 in order to properly nourish your body. However, starvation mode doesn't really exist, so you shouldn't stop losing weight from eating so little. You might find, as I have, that starting so low means that you'll have to stay low in order to sustain your rate of loss. Where do you go in fifty or a hundred pounds time? You either have to eat even less, or accept a slower rate of loss. One is unhealthy, the other can lead to frustration and giving up.
4. If you can eat more calories and still lose weight, why not do that? You can add back in some of your favourite foods, be that beer, cookies or burgers. If you're scared of these foods in some way, because, for example, you think you can't control yourself with them, well, they aren't going away. They are always going to be there. Might as well learn how to enjoy them in moderation now while you're changing the way you eat anyway.0 -
Sound advice, maybe I'll have myself a burger from time to time...fact is I have started to miss the foods I was eating before this thing.0
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Try and get out of the mindset of good and bad foods. Eat what you enjoy as long as it fits in your calorie goal. Will be much easier to stick to that way!
I lost 5 and a half stone without giving up chocolate, cheese or my old favourite - Kettle Chips!0 -
Nice job! My real vice is soda, and I'm afraid thats a slippery slope, I won't ever go back to drinking that regularly again...but my fav foods are mac and cheese, bacon cheese burgers, well, frankly, anything with meat and and cheese in it is my fav :]0
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danieltsmoke wrote: »Nice job! My real vice is soda, and I'm afraid thats a slippery slope, I won't ever go back to drinking that regularly again...but my fav foods are mac and cheese, bacon cheese burgers, well, frankly, anything with meat and and cheese in it is my fav :]
With you on the cheese, but vegetarian so not so much with the meat! Lol!
I use the recipe builder on here and have put in my homemade macaroni and cheese recipe so I can still eat it occasionally. Moderation is the key! Good luck again!0 -
OP, I do the same thing with my logs! I weigh the food and still do the cup, tsp, etc. option if the grams match! Other people might think I'm measuring with measuring cups but I'm just going by the weight they have listed at the end! Keep up the good work in that sense!0
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Hey thanks, thats the plan! I kinda dig the whole tracking thing, it's a bit of a little hobby0
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Sometimes it's the little things that matter. I see that you're low on protein. Try buying protein powder or protein drinks. It will up your calories and will up your protein. I find that helps significantly. Good luck! If you want motivation or anything, feel free to add me. I do motivational quotes of the day that my followers seem to enjoy AND I love to help motivate because it's what motivates me. Good Luck! Protein, Protein, Protein (which reminds me I need to go to the store to get more protein powder, thanks )0
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Starvation mode doesn't exist. I would start using a food scale, so you can accurately ascertain your true consumption. A week in eating at that level of deficit you should have some poundage off, yet your profile says 0 pounds lost?0
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If you feel like you are weighing and logging accurately then I would up the calories a bit at least to the 1500 as the recommended min but probably even higher considering your size. Remember this is also about the nutrients not just the calories that your body needs. I would also up the protein to avoid some of the muscle loss your gonna see on such an aggressive plan. I would start to include in your plan some of the foods that you're starting to miss. But don't binge on them. Save up some extra calories for 2 or 3 days and have that 800 calorie hamburger you're longing for. But don't get the double cheese burger just get the single cheese burger. Small fry instead of the large fry. Start thinking of the same foods just smaller portions. A six ounce steak tastes just as good as 16 ounce steak. And I agree about the sodas. Not that they are bad. But with a low calorie diet I'm just trying to make I'm getting the best bang for my buck.0
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I would definitely recommend altering your mindset from the clean/non-clean food dichotomy. As it was said before, eating a good balance of foods is a much better approach because it is something you can do after you’ve lost the weight and are going into maintenance.
Also, and this is important: you weigh 320 and are getting under 100g of protein per day. The common recommendation to maintain muscle mass during weight loss is 0.8g/lb, so you need to be eating a whole lot more protein (around 250g?). Some say this much isn’t necessary, but it would probably still be best if you at least doubled your current intake. Meat and dairy products are great sources of protein.
Edited to add: Great job getting started so far, and I love your tracking accuracy and great attitude0 -
The recipe builder is great, as a previous poster stated.
What I do is weigh the empty casserole dish (or whatever your cooking in) ~ weigh and log ALL food thru the recipe builder as you are making the recipe ~ weigh the finished entree and minus off the empty container weight, this will be your number of servings (it will be high, and I use grams)
Now when you go to eat the said recipe, you weigh only what you are eating (minus the plate of course) and log it!
Kind of time consuming when building the recipe, but it works for me!! I know I was not accuratley logging before I started this method!
This way you can still enjoy what everyone else is eating, only in moderation
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danieltsmoke wrote: »No I legit weight all my food, my roommates think I've become OCD over it, lol. This is a typical day for me, and I often just eat the same thing every day for simplicity.
no milk with the oatmeal? The serving you have says 'dry'0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »No I legit weight all my food, my roommates think I've become OCD over it, lol. This is a typical day for me, and I often just eat the same thing every day for simplicity.
no milk with the oatmeal? The serving you have says 'dry'
I have never in my life ate oatmeal made with milk. Is this a thing? I make mine with water and water had no calories. Thus the oatmeal would be the same as the "dry" version.0 -
I would say give it some time. A week doesn't always show the scale moving. I just recently came off a plateau and I was really disheartened that for 3 weeks I was still the same weight. I am pretty sure I was just retaining water since the scale is saying I lost 10 lbs in the past two weeks.
If you are weight training 3x a week take pictures and tape measurements. I wish I did that because as your body builds muscle and loses fat only weighing yourself can lead to a loss of motivation. Nothing worse than working hard and eating well and having the scale move only slightly.
As mentioned above spend some calories on food you enjoy, just be sure to calculate it correctly. For a few weeks I tried veggies + lean proteins and it got to the point where I started to gorge myself. Dieting will fail. Instead make it a lifestyle change. Never say "I will never eat "x" food again." You CAN have what you want just in the right proportion.
TL;DR: Give it time. Don't rely on only a scale. Don't be so strict that you will eventually give up and binge eat calorie dense foods.
(Of course this is only my opinion.)0 -
So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.0
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So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.
That's what I was thinking, you aren't eating nearly enough in my opinion.0 -
Having a giggle that bread and bbq sauce is now eating "clean"
Just kidding OP, increase your calories to the 1700-1900 mark and you'll enjoy eating more and stick to it better long term. But please use the scale for every little thing and try to choose the items without an *0 -
danieltsmoke wrote: »Sooooo I've been tracking and using the app for a little over a week, eating "clean" the whole time. Now I'm 6'1, 320, and every app/website says I need to eat about 2500 calories just to maintain, before exercising. Now, eating clean and exercising, I've only been eating between 1200-1600 calories a day.
The thing is, I'm never hungry, I eat a LOT of food I feel like. For instance a typical day will be a serving and a half of oatmeal, with some peanut butter, then i'll eat like a couple pieces of toast, each with a serving of cream cheese or peanut butter on them for lunch, and later I'll eat a big meal (like 800 calories) of chicken, veggies and potatoes.
The bottom line is that I feel full, I'm eating healthy stuff, but I'm routinely under my caloric goal by over a thousand, every day. Am I going to go into "starvation mode", even though I never feel starving?? Should I eat even when I'm not hungry to come close to my caloric goal? Or should I just chill the hell out and keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks much, Dan.
Daniel have you ever ran your numbers in something like Scoobys to figure out what your TDEE could be?
http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/
You can use that if you'd like & you can enter how much percentage you want to lose weight. Anything at 25% is suggested to see a doctor. With this approach you can enter it manually through the goal tab & if you follow the TDEE approach you wouldn't have to worry about eating back your exercise calories since it's already factored in.
If you don't want to follow this approach & plan to use MFP then you should eat close to what they suggest & most of your exercise calories. Since you have a higher amount to lose you should look at the calories as a way to keep fueling your body for the days you exercise & just to keep you functioning throughout the day.0 -
firecutie18 wrote: »Sometimes it's the little things that matter. I see that you're low on protein. Try buying protein powder or protein drinks. It will up your calories and will up your protein. I find that helps significantly. Good luck! If you want motivation or anything, feel free to add me. I do motivational quotes of the day that my followers seem to enjoy AND I love to help motivate because it's what motivates me. Good Luck! Protein, Protein, Protein (which reminds me I need to go to the store to get more protein powder, thanks )
hmmm, protein powder...seems a bit much for me, maybe I'll try it out tho :]
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So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.
I am losing weight guys, sorry to be unclear. I started eating more healthy about 3 weeks ago, and about 10 days ago I started tracking. In that time I've gone from 335 to 317ish.
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