Under eating??

AspenDan
AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
edited November 19 in Health and Weight Loss
Sooooo I've been tracking and using the app for a little over a week, eating "clean" the whole time. Now I'm 6'1, 320, and every app/website says I need to eat about 2500 calories just to maintain, before exercising. Now, eating clean and exercising, I've only been eating between 1200-1600 calories a day.
The thing is, I'm never hungry, I eat a LOT of food I feel like. For instance a typical day will be a serving and a half of oatmeal, with some peanut butter, then i'll eat like a couple pieces of toast, each with a serving of cream cheese or peanut butter on them for lunch, and later I'll eat a big meal (like 800 calories) of chicken, veggies and potatoes.
The bottom line is that I feel full, I'm eating healthy stuff, but I'm routinely under my caloric goal by over a thousand, every day. Am I going to go into "starvation mode", even though I never feel starving?? Should I eat even when I'm not hungry to come close to my caloric goal? Or should I just chill the hell out and keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks much, Dan.
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  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    Starvation mode is a myth.

    Do you weigh all your food on a scale? Going by what you say you're eating I think you're probably eating more than you realise. :)
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    No I legit weight all my food, my roommates think I've become OCD over it, lol. This is a typical day for me, and I often just eat the same thing every day for simplicity.
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  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    It's OK to eat under your limit for a while, but if you leave it too long, you might find yourself getting a bit tired and lose motivation.

    Starvation mode is a myth, but burnout is real.

    Make sure you don't fetishise your food or deprive yourself, otherwise you'll end up playing "catch-up" before too long and going overboard.

    Everything in moderation.
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    I get that, but I'm new to this and only know of a few foods that are healthy and such. I'll keep working on it. But considering I'm not getting hungry, do you think I'm doing ok with the caloric intake??
  • honkytonks85
    honkytonks85 Posts: 669 Member
    I wish I got 2500 calories to play with every day :)

    I am sure you'll be OK - my only concern would be if you feel deprived you may binge. But if you're OK with what you're eating, why change?
  • MamaBirdBoss
    MamaBirdBoss Posts: 1,516 Member
    Looks legit to me! You're eating a lot of bulk, so that's not too surprising. :)
  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    edited June 2015
    You have a lot of cup & tablespoon measurements in your diary. They aren't accurate for solid food, you need to use a digital food scale. Also things like banana - it just says 1 medium. You need to weigh everything if you want a true representation of how many calories you're eating.

    It won't make much difference whilst you have a lot to lose, but as you get nearer your goal it will make a big difference.

    But for now, if you aren't hungry and the weight is coming off then I wouldn't worry too much.

    Probably should point out that the minimum recommended intake for men is 1500 calories too.
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    edited June 2015
    Well I mean, I do weigh pretty much everything, the bbq sauce and peanut butter say tbsp but really I converted them out to 15grams per tbsp. I'll keep measuring things precisely tho.
    You really think I should up my intake to at least 1500? I mean, I really don't get hungry, so the caloric minimum baffles me.
  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    Well I mean, I do weigh pretty much everything, the bbq sauce and peanut butter say tbsp but really I converted them out to 15grams per tbsp. I'll keep measuring things precisely tho.
    You really think I should up my intake to at least 1500? I mean, I really don't get hungry, so the caloric minimum baffles me.

    1500 is the minimum recommended for a man. 1200 for a woman. That's the base rate people typically need to fuel their bodies basic functions. Then you should eat back a portion of your exercise calories on top.

    If you're confident you're calorie count is correct you could try adding nuts and healthy fats to your diet like olive oil or avocado to increase calories without adding too much food.

    Good luck!
  • Pootler74
    Pootler74 Posts: 223 Member
    1. Not that it really matters to your situation right now, since your starting weight is high enough to cope with the discrepancies, but... that typical day doesn't show you WEIGHING your food. It shows you measuring it. Cups and spoons aren't at all accurate for measuring solids, so you may well be eating more than you think. That could be why you aren't as hungry as you should be for the number of calories you are logging. Weigh all the things. :-)

    2. If you aren't hungry, don't force yourself to eat more. However, you don't have to eat ONLY 'healthy' foods to lose weight. In fact the consensus among successful dieters on MFP is that you should have a good balance of whole foods and treats. Eat in a way you can eat forever, and that way you'll keep off the weight you lose.

    3. 1500 calories is the minimum you need, as a man, to get all the nutrients you need. The ones that keep all your bits and pieces healthy and working properly. At your size, I dare say you need a bit more than 1500 in order to properly nourish your body. However, starvation mode doesn't really exist, so you shouldn't stop losing weight from eating so little. You might find, as I have, that starting so low means that you'll have to stay low in order to sustain your rate of loss. Where do you go in fifty or a hundred pounds time? You either have to eat even less, or accept a slower rate of loss. One is unhealthy, the other can lead to frustration and giving up.

    4. If you can eat more calories and still lose weight, why not do that? You can add back in some of your favourite foods, be that beer, cookies or burgers. If you're scared of these foods in some way, because, for example, you think you can't control yourself with them, well, they aren't going away. They are always going to be there. Might as well learn how to enjoy them in moderation now while you're changing the way you eat anyway.
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    Sound advice, maybe I'll have myself a burger from time to time...fact is I have started to miss the foods I was eating before this thing.
  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    Try and get out of the mindset of good and bad foods. Eat what you enjoy as long as it fits in your calorie goal. Will be much easier to stick to that way!

    I lost 5 and a half stone without giving up chocolate, cheese or my old favourite - Kettle Chips! :)
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    Nice job! My real vice is soda, and I'm afraid thats a slippery slope, I won't ever go back to drinking that regularly again...but my fav foods are mac and cheese, bacon cheese burgers, well, frankly, anything with meat and and cheese in it is my fav :]
  • Krystle1984
    Krystle1984 Posts: 146 Member
    Nice job! My real vice is soda, and I'm afraid thats a slippery slope, I won't ever go back to drinking that regularly again...but my fav foods are mac and cheese, bacon cheese burgers, well, frankly, anything with meat and and cheese in it is my fav :]

    With you on the cheese, but vegetarian so not so much with the meat! Lol!

    I use the recipe builder on here and have put in my homemade macaroni and cheese recipe so I can still eat it occasionally. Moderation is the key! Good luck again! :)
  • jesikalovesyou
    jesikalovesyou Posts: 172 Member
    OP, I do the same thing with my logs! I weigh the food and still do the cup, tsp, etc. option if the grams match! Other people might think I'm measuring with measuring cups but I'm just going by the weight they have listed at the end! Keep up the good work in that sense!
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    Hey thanks, thats the plan! I kinda dig the whole tracking thing, it's a bit of a little hobby
  • JanelleG0122
    JanelleG0122 Posts: 323 Member
    Sometimes it's the little things that matter. I see that you're low on protein. Try buying protein powder or protein drinks. It will up your calories and will up your protein. I find that helps significantly. Good luck! If you want motivation or anything, feel free to add me. I do motivational quotes of the day that my followers seem to enjoy AND I love to help motivate because it's what motivates me. Good Luck! Protein, Protein, Protein :) (which reminds me I need to go to the store to get more protein powder, thanks ;) )
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,151 Member
    Starvation mode doesn't exist. I would start using a food scale, so you can accurately ascertain your true consumption. A week in eating at that level of deficit you should have some poundage off, yet your profile says 0 pounds lost?
  • Bshmerlie
    Bshmerlie Posts: 1,026 Member
    If you feel like you are weighing and logging accurately then I would up the calories a bit at least to the 1500 as the recommended min but probably even higher considering your size. Remember this is also about the nutrients not just the calories that your body needs. I would also up the protein to avoid some of the muscle loss your gonna see on such an aggressive plan. I would start to include in your plan some of the foods that you're starting to miss. But don't binge on them. Save up some extra calories for 2 or 3 days and have that 800 calorie hamburger you're longing for. But don't get the double cheese burger just get the single cheese burger. Small fry instead of the large fry. Start thinking of the same foods just smaller portions. A six ounce steak tastes just as good as 16 ounce steak. And I agree about the sodas. Not that they are bad. But with a low calorie diet I'm just trying to make I'm getting the best bang for my buck.
  • Emilia777
    Emilia777 Posts: 978 Member
    edited June 2015
    I would definitely recommend altering your mindset from the clean/non-clean food dichotomy. As it was said before, eating a good balance of foods is a much better approach because it is something you can do after you’ve lost the weight and are going into maintenance.

    Also, and this is important: you weigh 320 and are getting under 100g of protein per day. The common recommendation to maintain muscle mass during weight loss is 0.8g/lb, so you need to be eating a whole lot more protein (around 250g?). Some say this much isn’t necessary, but it would probably still be best if you at least doubled your current intake. Meat and dairy products are great sources of protein.

    Edited to add: Great job getting started so far, and I love your tracking accuracy and great attitude :smile:
  • dargytaylor
    dargytaylor Posts: 840 Member
    edited June 2015
    The recipe builder is great, as a previous poster stated.

    What I do is weigh the empty casserole dish (or whatever your cooking in) ~ weigh and log ALL food thru the recipe builder as you are making the recipe ~ weigh the finished entree and minus off the empty container weight, this will be your number of servings (it will be high, and I use grams)

    Now when you go to eat the said recipe, you weigh only what you are eating (minus the plate of course) and log it!

    Kind of time consuming when building the recipe, but it works for me!! I know I was not accuratley logging before I started this method!

    This way you can still enjoy what everyone else is eating, only in moderation :)

    Hope I helped and explained myself correctly :)
  • debrag12
    debrag12 Posts: 1,071 Member
    No I legit weight all my food, my roommates think I've become OCD over it, lol. This is a typical day for me, and I often just eat the same thing every day for simplicity.
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    no milk with the oatmeal? The serving you have says 'dry'
  • jesikalovesyou
    jesikalovesyou Posts: 172 Member
    debrag12 wrote: »
    No I legit weight all my food, my roommates think I've become OCD over it, lol. This is a typical day for me, and I often just eat the same thing every day for simplicity.
    l8of88e0mapu.jpg

    no milk with the oatmeal? The serving you have says 'dry'

    I have never in my life ate oatmeal made with milk. Is this a thing? I make mine with water and water had no calories. Thus the oatmeal would be the same as the "dry" version.
  • follyman
    follyman Posts: 8 Member
    I would say give it some time. A week doesn't always show the scale moving. I just recently came off a plateau and I was really disheartened that for 3 weeks I was still the same weight. I am pretty sure I was just retaining water since the scale is saying I lost 10 lbs in the past two weeks.

    If you are weight training 3x a week take pictures and tape measurements. I wish I did that because as your body builds muscle and loses fat only weighing yourself can lead to a loss of motivation. Nothing worse than working hard and eating well and having the scale move only slightly.

    As mentioned above spend some calories on food you enjoy, just be sure to calculate it correctly. For a few weeks I tried veggies + lean proteins and it got to the point where I started to gorge myself. Dieting will fail. Instead make it a lifestyle change. Never say "I will never eat "x" food again." You CAN have what you want just in the right proportion.

    TL;DR: Give it time. Don't rely on only a scale. Don't be so strict that you will eventually give up and binge eat calorie dense foods.
    (Of course this is only my opinion.)
  • sheltol
    sheltol Posts: 120 Member
    So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.
  • WhatLouAte
    WhatLouAte Posts: 155 Member
    sheltol wrote: »
    So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.

    That's what I was thinking, you aren't eating nearly enough in my opinion.
  • RuNaRoUnDaFiEld
    RuNaRoUnDaFiEld Posts: 5,864 Member
    Having a giggle that bread and bbq sauce is now eating "clean" :D

    Just kidding OP, increase your calories to the 1700-1900 mark and you'll enjoy eating more and stick to it better long term. But please use the scale for every little thing and try to choose the items without an *
  • kellyjellybellyjelly
    kellyjellybellyjelly Posts: 9,480 Member
    Sooooo I've been tracking and using the app for a little over a week, eating "clean" the whole time. Now I'm 6'1, 320, and every app/website says I need to eat about 2500 calories just to maintain, before exercising. Now, eating clean and exercising, I've only been eating between 1200-1600 calories a day.
    The thing is, I'm never hungry, I eat a LOT of food I feel like. For instance a typical day will be a serving and a half of oatmeal, with some peanut butter, then i'll eat like a couple pieces of toast, each with a serving of cream cheese or peanut butter on them for lunch, and later I'll eat a big meal (like 800 calories) of chicken, veggies and potatoes.
    The bottom line is that I feel full, I'm eating healthy stuff, but I'm routinely under my caloric goal by over a thousand, every day. Am I going to go into "starvation mode", even though I never feel starving?? Should I eat even when I'm not hungry to come close to my caloric goal? Or should I just chill the hell out and keep doing what I'm doing? Thanks much, Dan.

    Daniel have you ever ran your numbers in something like Scoobys to figure out what your TDEE could be?

    http://scoobysworkshop.com/accurate-calorie-calculator/

    You can use that if you'd like & you can enter how much percentage you want to lose weight. Anything at 25% is suggested to see a doctor. With this approach you can enter it manually through the goal tab & if you follow the TDEE approach you wouldn't have to worry about eating back your exercise calories since it's already factored in.

    If you don't want to follow this approach & plan to use MFP then you should eat close to what they suggest & most of your exercise calories. Since you have a higher amount to lose you should look at the calories as a way to keep fueling your body for the days you exercise & just to keep you functioning throughout the day.
  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    Sometimes it's the little things that matter. I see that you're low on protein. Try buying protein powder or protein drinks. It will up your calories and will up your protein. I find that helps significantly. Good luck! If you want motivation or anything, feel free to add me. I do motivational quotes of the day that my followers seem to enjoy AND I love to help motivate because it's what motivates me. Good Luck! Protein, Protein, Protein :) (which reminds me I need to go to the store to get more protein powder, thanks ;) )

    hmmm, protein powder...seems a bit much for me, maybe I'll try it out tho :]

  • AspenDan
    AspenDan Posts: 703 Member
    sheltol wrote: »
    So why doesn't anyone see anything wrong with the fact that a 320 pound male is eating ~1500 calories and not losing weight? With exercise? So lets just say he burns 300 calories exercising leaving his body 1200 calories to function on. That's on the low range for a female. I see multiple posts that starvation mode doesn't exist. I dont care what you call it adaptive thermogensis, fat adaptation, metabolic damage but a prolonged period at this extreme of a calorie deficit is forcing muscle loss which will further the cycle of making it more difficult to lose weight. The goal should be to eat as many calories as possible and lose weight not the other way around.

    I am losing weight guys, sorry to be unclear. I started eating more healthy about 3 weeks ago, and about 10 days ago I started tracking. In that time I've gone from 335 to 317ish.
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