Ketogenic diet anyone?
jesterkazuzi
Posts: 20 Member
I have started two days ago and I am failing big time lol I am constantly under goal with fat and over with my protein and little bit of carbs.
Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?
Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?
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Is there any medical reason why you're following a ketogenic diet?0
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »Is there any medical reason why you're following a ketogenic diet?
Does there need to be?0 -
bluefish86 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »Is there any medical reason why you're following a ketogenic diet?
Does there need to be?
No. It's just that if you're finding a diet particularly hard to stick to, it might not be an optimal choice. That is all.0 -
I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....0
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bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.0 -
It's a valid question. Some people low-carb because they're told it's the "right" thing to do, others are prescribed this diet by their doctor for medical reasons.0
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bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
Ok.
If the OP has a hard time hitting their macros, then what'd be the point in following a diet where you constantly struggle? I'm also wondering if OP thinks that low carbing is the only way to lose weight.
If OP had a medical reason which required a ketogenic diet, then I'd completely understand.
I just find it odd that you didn't think about that.0 -
What's your net carb goal? If you previously were eating 200-300 carb grams per day, suddenly switching to 20 can be tough for your body and brain. Maybe you could try easing into it? Like aim for 100 carbs per day for a week. And then 50 carbs per day for a week?
Have you consulted with a doctor to find out what kind of weight loss plan they recommend for you?0 -
bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »Is there any medical reason why you're following a ketogenic diet?
Does there need to be?
No. It's just that if you're finding a diet particularly hard to stick to, it might not be an optimal choice. That is all.
Fair enough I suppose. I see the same thing with calorie counting as the means to the end. Or macro counting...
Granted, no one asks if there's a medical reason for that usually.0 -
bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Stop derailing the thread.
OP if you could open your diary that'd be great.0 -
jesterkazuzi wrote: »I have started two days ago and I am failing big time lol I am constantly under goal with fat and over with my protein and little bit of carbs.
Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?
Do a google search for myfitnesspal keto there are several active groups with experienced keto dieters and low carbers. Beyond that, sorry, I don't have any experience with keto.0 -
Hi OP, there is a keto group on here which is very helpful and has been great for motivation for me! http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/1143-keto
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bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?0 -
bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
So much wrong with this post.
YES. It's a good weight loss tool. YES it can be useful.
That it wasn't useful for you (or me, actually, for weight loss) doesn't make it not a good tool.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
So much wrong with this post.
YES. It's a good weight loss tool. YES it can be useful.
That it wasn't useful for you (or me, actually, for weight loss) doesn't make it not a good tool.
It was VERY useful for me, for controlling my high cholesterol. What's your research base that it's a good weight loss tool?0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
So much wrong with this post.
YES. It's a good weight loss tool. YES it can be useful.
That it wasn't useful for you (or me, actually, for weight loss) doesn't make it not a good tool.
It was VERY useful for me, for controlling my high cholesterol. What's your research base that it's a good weight loss tool?
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
So much wrong with this post.
YES. It's a good weight loss tool. YES it can be useful.
That it wasn't useful for you (or me, actually, for weight loss) doesn't make it not a good tool.
It was VERY useful for me, for controlling my high cholesterol. What's your research base that it's a good weight loss tool?
pubmed.
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OP, do your research into this diet and consult a doctor. I take back what I said about it working or not- that's based on personal experience. Just make sure you know what the possible side effects are and that your doctor is on board.0
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OP - I agree with the other posters. If you're having a hard time sticking to keto, then there is no reason why you can't try another approach. As long as you are eating less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. There are many different approaches to achieve this - keto is just one approach that some people find easier to stick to. There isn't anything special about keto other than the fact that for some people, it may be more satiating due to the higher fat macro goals.0
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bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
The poster was trying to help the OP.
How exactly are you helping the OP?0 -
bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
Do you have any basis to say a low carb nutrition plan isn't a good strategy?
Seems a bit of an ill informed statement.
Do you assume a person choosing to monitor carbs does not monitor calories?
Do you make similar assumptions of people monitoring fats?
There is no myth debunking. You are just quite wrong to make such a wild assumption.
Low carb has been a great weight loss tool for millions
Why diet type hate? It is almost as silly as people that hate on eating cake when you have calories to spare it it fits your nutrition strategy.
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professionalHobbyist wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
Do you have any basis to say a low carb nutrition plan isn't a good strategy?
Seems a bit of an ill informed statement.
Do you assume a person choosing to monitor carbs does not monitor calories?
Do you make similar assumptions of people monitoring fats?
There is no myth debunking. You are just quite wrong to make such a wild assumption.
Low carb has been a great weight loss tool for millions
Why diet type hate? It is almost as silly as people that hate on eating cake when you have calories to spare it it fits your nutrition strategy.
I retracted my statement, if you'll read above, and clarified that it should be done under the care of a doctor as all the research suggests.0 -
professionalHobbyist wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
Do you have any basis to say a low carb nutrition plan isn't a good strategy?
Seems a bit of an ill informed statement.
Do you assume a person choosing to monitor carbs does not monitor calories?
Do you make similar assumptions of people monitoring fats?
There is no myth debunking. You are just quite wrong to make such a wild assumption.
Low carb has been a great weight loss tool for millions
Why diet type hate? It is almost as silly as people that hate on eating cake when you have calories to spare it it fits your nutrition strategy.
I retracted my statement, if you'll read above, and clarified that it should be done under the care of a doctor as all the research suggests.
Which is often recommended for folks starting a new diet, or fitness regime.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »professionalHobbyist wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
Do you have any basis to say a low carb nutrition plan isn't a good strategy?
Seems a bit of an ill informed statement.
Do you assume a person choosing to monitor carbs does not monitor calories?
Do you make similar assumptions of people monitoring fats?
There is no myth debunking. You are just quite wrong to make such a wild assumption.
Low carb has been a great weight loss tool for millions
Why diet type hate? It is almost as silly as people that hate on eating cake when you have calories to spare it it fits your nutrition strategy.
I retracted my statement, if you'll read above, and clarified that it should be done under the care of a doctor as all the research suggests.
I believe that's said for most diets/dieters.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, I worry that a majority of people don't abide by this. Never meant to be argumentative and I'm keen on learning as well.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »professionalHobbyist wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »bluefish86 wrote: »I just find it odd that the first thing you ask is someone's medical history when they're asking about hitting their macros....
If the OP doesn't have a medical reason to be on a keto diet and is struggling with it, I think he is implying that it would be easier to stick to CICO. A keto diet is not necessary for weight loss. If the OP has a medical reason to be on this diet, then that's different. It's a perfectly valid question.
Not really... it would be like someone posting that they're struggling to stay under their calorie allowance and then being questioned if a doctor told them they needed to lose weight. It's really none of your business.
The question was "Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?".
Apples and oranges. We're not trying to be nosy so much as debunking the myth that low-carb diet is a good weight loss tool. We're trying to get at the motivation for doing it because many of us have experience with it and know it's not useful or necessary in weight loss.
OP, yes I do have experience with this. I maintained a keto diet when I was younger under the supervision of a doctor. What is your reasoning for macro control?
Do you have any basis to say a low carb nutrition plan isn't a good strategy?
Seems a bit of an ill informed statement.
Do you assume a person choosing to monitor carbs does not monitor calories?
Do you make similar assumptions of people monitoring fats?
There is no myth debunking. You are just quite wrong to make such a wild assumption.
Low carb has been a great weight loss tool for millions
Why diet type hate? It is almost as silly as people that hate on eating cake when you have calories to spare it it fits your nutrition strategy.
I retracted my statement, if you'll read above, and clarified that it should be done under the care of a doctor as all the research suggests.
I believe that's said for most diets/dieters.
Completely agree. Unfortunately, I worry that a majority of people don't abide by this. Never meant to be argumentative and I'm keen on learning as well.
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jesterkazuzi wrote: »I have started two days ago and I am failing big time lol I am constantly under goal with fat and over with my protein and little bit of carbs.
Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?
I have lost a smidgen over 125 lbs over 18 months
I had an internal medicine guy for reversing type 2 diabetes and GP, added nutritionist
Long story short
Reduced simple sugars and ate fibrous veggies for 60-80 carbs
Higher volume of exercise to build to 120 minutes of cardio level not fat burning level. The purpose was to burn off glycogen
It worked
No longer diabetic
I do HIIT. And pretty long cardio sessions now and can eat normally
I eat pizza on occasion. I just don't eat a huge sugar bomb. I will have a little cheese cake
It gets back to CICO no matter how you slice it.
Yesterday was a day to burn out glycogen
A good hard 1500 calorie bike ride. Lots of room to eat pizza if I wanted to
I have been working at this for a while. It does work for many people. I hope you find a healthy life strategy that works for you.
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jesterkazuzi wrote: »I have started two days ago and I am failing big time lol I am constantly under goal with fat and over with my protein and little bit of carbs.
Is there anyone on here experienced on this diet?
yes. I've been doing it for 13 months. I've lost 92lb so far.
I second going to the Keto group. Reddit's r/keto is great as well. There is also the Low Carber Daily group. There are keto peeps there as well. Including myself. If you like I can PM you my long list of recommended recipe sites.- Keep your carbs consistently under 50g.
- Meet your protein minimum (check out a keto calc to determine the range appropriate for you-which is usually suggested to be between .8g-1.2g per kg of lean body mass depending upon how physically active you are.)
- Fill the rest of your intake with fat.
Sneak fat in by adding a little here and there of fat-dense foods like butter, cream, olive oil, cooking things in animal fats, cheese, and fattier cuts of meat.
Ketogenic diets are one tool in the weightloss-toolbox. It works better for some than others as far as sustainability. Which really is the key. What you can sustain will work for you. What you can't sustain, isn't your thing.
Poke around the keto communities. Give it a good try for a few weeks. And if you still can't stick with it, then try something else. Good luck.
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Thank you everyone. I have no medical reason. I have been bodybuilding last two years and just wanted to try keto diet to see how it affects fat loss as I have read so many mixed reviews. I am just struggling to find the right foods that would work together as I am used to having more carbs. I used to follow 30/40/30 ratio so this is really new to me. I have thanks to your recommendations found the right group on here and hopefully will get hang of it within a week or so.0
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My roommate tried Keto. He used the sticks to determine he was, in fact, in ketosis most of the time, but he would falter a little and end up having to deal with "keto flu" over and over again. (This is the short-ish period of time when you feel miserable and very low in energy before your body starts adjusting.) He has given up completely. Last night he ate an entire pizza; the night before: six grilled cheese sandwiches.
I'm not knocking Keto. I have a friend who's on it because of her seizures (medically supervised). I've also seen that it can be a way to lose weight (my roommate did lose about 10 lbs on it). However, it's so, so restrictive and can be so miserable in the beginning, that it's definitely not for me, my roommate, or anyone who would be better served by living with a moderate calorie deficit while still eating carbs.
Sustainability is always the key to success.0
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