Adrenal Fatigue Syndrome
Stressedby8
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Any other suffers out there, put your hands up!
Just found out that is my issue so totally changing my diet.
I have been on a total roll the past few months, tracking, eating healthy, but apparently all the wrong things.
I need to totally cut out all sugar, fruit, dairy.
Struggling to come up with a good plan for breakfast. Lunch and dinner are okay. Just a protein and veggies.
Just found out that is my issue so totally changing my diet.
I have been on a total roll the past few months, tracking, eating healthy, but apparently all the wrong things.
I need to totally cut out all sugar, fruit, dairy.
Struggling to come up with a good plan for breakfast. Lunch and dinner are okay. Just a protein and veggies.
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I just learned about adrenal fatigue from my friend that changed her adrenal fatigue by going vegan. Cutting sugar, fruit and dairy is hard for breakfast0
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From the Endocrine Society:
The term “adrenal fatigue” has been used to explain a group of symptoms that are said to occur in people who are under long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress. Supporters of adrenal fatigue say that you may be more likely to develop this condition if, for example, you have a stressful job; are a shift worker, working student, or single parent; or if you abuse alcohol or drugs.
Adrenal FatigueSymptoms said to be due to adrenal fatigue include tiredness, trouble falling asleep at night or waking up in the morning, salt and sugar craving, and needing stimulants like caffeine to get through the day. These symptoms are common and non-specific, meaning they can be found in many diseases. They also can occur as part of a normal, busy life.
No scientific proof exists to support adrenal fatigue as a true medical condition. Doctors are concerned that if you are told you have this condition, the real cause of your symptoms may not be found and treated correctly. Also, treatment for adrenal fatigue may be expensive, since insurance companies are unlikely to cover the costs.
http://www.hormone.org/hormones-and-health/myth-vs-fact/adrenal-fatigue0 -
Bunk.
WooWoo at its finest.0 -
LeanButNotMean44 wrote: »From the Endocrine Society:
The term “adrenal fatigue” has been used to explain a group of symptoms that are said to occur in people who are under long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress. Supporters of adrenal fatigue say that you may be more likely to develop this condition if, for example, you have a stressful job; are a shift worker, working student, or single parent; or if you abuse alcohol or drugs.
Adrenal FatigueSymptoms said to be due to adrenal fatigue include tiredness, trouble falling asleep at night or waking up in the morning, salt and sugar craving, and needing stimulants like caffeine to get through the day. These symptoms are common and non-specific, meaning they can be found in many diseases. They also can occur as part of a normal, busy life.
No scientific proof exists to support adrenal fatigue as a true medical condition. Doctors are concerned that if you are told you have this condition, the real cause of your symptoms may not be found and treated correctly. Also, treatment for adrenal fatigue may be expensive, since insurance companies are unlikely to cover the costs.
http://www.hormone.org/hormones-and-health/myth-vs-fact/adrenal-fatigue
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LeanButNotMean44 wrote: »From the Endocrine Society:
The term “adrenal fatigue” has been used to explain a group of symptoms that are said to occur in people who are under long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress. Supporters of adrenal fatigue say that you may be more likely to develop this condition if, for example, you have a stressful job; are a shift worker, working student, or single parent; or if you abuse alcohol or drugs.
Adrenal FatigueSymptoms said to be due to adrenal fatigue include tiredness, trouble falling asleep at night or waking up in the morning, salt and sugar craving, and needing stimulants like caffeine to get through the day. These symptoms are common and non-specific, meaning they can be found in many diseases. They also can occur as part of a normal, busy life.
No scientific proof exists to support adrenal fatigue as a true medical condition. Doctors are concerned that if you are told you have this condition, the real cause of your symptoms may not be found and treated correctly. Also, treatment for adrenal fatigue may be expensive, since insurance companies are unlikely to cover the costs.
http://www.hormone.org/hormones-and-health/myth-vs-fact/adrenal-fatigue
Thank you!
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Can you have eggs? Eggs on a bed of black beans, a frittata or spinach omplette are good protein and fiber rich options. Hubby went through a stage where he didn't want eggs every day because cholesterol (??) so I pre-cooked & portioned a different tofu scramble every week--Mediterranean spices with tomato& chicpea, hatch green chili with hominy, taco spices with tomato &black beans, etc--endless combinations. Think his fav was Indian spice with spinach, like sagwala.
I've never heard adrenal fatigue is woo or a dubious diagnosis. I have read, though, that progesterone, testosterone and cortisol share the same precursor hormone. If the adrenal glands are overusing the precursor hormone (relative to available cholesterol) to make high levels of cortisol all the time, progesterone and testosterone can drop below normal.
ETA: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_cortex#/media/File:Adrenal_steroid_hormone_synthesis.png0 -
I went to my regular doctor, had the blood tests done and the saliva tests done. I am a 53 year old woman in full menopause.
AFS therefore in my case is not bunk. THERE IS scientific proof and my Doctor has diagnosed it.
Reading a report on the internet vs. my medical doctor. Think I will take her advice over that.
Not sure what WooWoo means.
I was just asking if anyone else suffers with this as I do and thought I could get support from those with the experience.
Thanks Ahoy_m8 for your support.
Yes I can have eggs, just don't want them every day.0 -
If you want a protein/vegie based breakfast, eat what you'd eat for lunch or dinner. Easy. I'd make sure there was lots of healthy fats too0
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Stressedby8 wrote: »I went to my regular doctor, had the blood tests done and the saliva tests done. I am a 53 year old woman in full menopause.
AFS therefore in my case is not bunk. THERE IS scientific proof and my Doctor has diagnosed it.
Reading a report on the internet vs. my medical doctor. Think I will take her advice over that.
Not sure what WooWoo means.
I was just asking if anyone else suffers with this as I do and thought I could get support from those with the experience.
Thanks Ahoy_m8 for your support.
Yes I can have eggs, just don't want them every day.
A "regular" doctor cannot diagnose adrenal issues.
Have you seen an endocrinologist?0 -
yes and that is who did the saliva testing.0
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http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/addisons-disease/expert-answers/adrenal-fatigue/faq-20057906
Here is a link to a Mayo Clinic page explaining that adrenal fatigue is not an accepted medical diagnosis. Is it possible your endocrinologist said you have adrenal insufficiency (where your body doesn't produce enough adrenal hormones)? It sounds like you might want to schedule another appointment with your doctor so he/she can explain what the results mean. If not perhaps a second opinion is in order. There is so much misleading medical information out there that it can be hard to know what's legitimate. Sorry if you feel that we are jumping down your throat but a pseudo-medical diagnosis can be harmful to your weight-loss resolve and prevent you from finding the actual cause of your symptoms.0 -
Also as someone currently studying to be a doctor I have to tell you that a doctor's word is not gospel. Like all human beings they can be wrong. If a doctor is diagnosing patients with diseases that are not accepted by the rest of the medical/scientific community then you should probably get a new doctor. I am not trying to be unsympathetic. I completely understand feeling physically awful on a regular basis and not being able to explain your symptoms.0
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Stressedby8 wrote: »I went to my regular doctor, had the blood tests done and the saliva tests done. I am a 53 year old woman in full menopause.
AFS therefore in my case is not bunk. THERE IS scientific proof and my Doctor has diagnosed it.
Reading a report on the internet vs. my medical doctor. Think I will take her advice over that.
Not sure what WooWoo means.
I was just asking if anyone else suffers with this as I do and thought I could get support from those with the experience.
Thanks Ahoy_m8 for your support.
Yes I can have eggs, just don't want them every day.
Your "doctor" is a quack.
Recommendation: Get a second opinion and find another doctor.
You *may* have Adrenal Insufficiency - a *real* disorder that an Endocrinologist can help you with.
Your so-called "doctor" is "diagnosing" you with something that doesn't exist. This is not only ignorant, but it is *dangerous*. You have no idea what is causing your symptoms because you are seeing a quack.
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I'm curious what the saliva test was for. I've never heard of it. My son has Addison's disease (autoimmune adrenal failure) and has a battery of blood tests every 3 months. It's not something to mess around with. An adrenal crisis can be fatal in minutes if not treated.0
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Thanks all for the feedback, suggestions and doctor bashing lol. That was not my question, but funny how quickly everyone gets on their high-horse. lol
In answer to my original question, I guess no one here is suffering from menopause symptoms and adrenal fatigue like me.
I will still take the advice of my Doctor, Endocrinologist and Naturopath, thanks anyways.0 -
Was the saliva test done at intervals throughout the day? A one off saliva test wouldn't be useful for determining an adrenal issue as your cortisol level changes throughout the day. Adrenal fatigue is more like a symptom than it is a medical issue. For example, athletes can induce adrenal fatigue by over-training. Adrenal fatigue isn't the cause, over-training is.0
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Stressedby8 wrote: »Thanks all for the feedback, suggestions and doctor bashing lol. That was not my question, but funny how quickly everyone gets on their high-horse. lol
Here on MFP, we pride ourselves on being judgmental
If you're trying to lose weight, all that's required is a calorie deficit. For your medical issues, you might try googling for forums dedicated to those.0 -
Stressedby8 wrote: »I will still take the advice of my Doctor, Endocrinologist and Naturopath, thanks anyways.
Naturopathy is WooWoo
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Naturopathy is a very great source of information and good, clean eating and supplements. Pretty much what we are all looking for on MFP, isn't it?
But as in all things in life, to each his own. No need to be insulting.
And yes, Cherimoose, I can see that now.... no worries, I have thick skin.-1 -
Stressedby8 wrote: »Naturopathy is a very great source of information and good, clean eating and supplements. Pretty much what we are all looking for on MFP, isn't it?
But as in all things in life, to each his own. No need to be insulting.
And yes, Cherimoose, I can see that now.... no worries, I have thick skin.
I hope you will reconsider spending a BUNCH of your hard-earned money on a bunch of stuff that won't help any of your (real [menopause] or perceived [adrenal fatigue]) issues. Friends of mine did the same thing and greatly regret it.
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OK, so LeanButNotM, how do you suggest I get better? I have major menopause issues, which include, zero energy. When I go to ride my bike I get dizzy, heart starts to flutter and I have to stop, then I throw up. I have tried everything for the past two years to get help with all these issues.
Naturopath seems to have gotten to the bottom of my issues and "adrenal failure" seems to make sense, because when I start to over-exert I get sick.
What does everyone on here suggest I do if my doctor and naturopath are quacks?0 -
Stressedby8 wrote: »OK, so LeanButNotM, how do you suggest I get better? I have major menopause issues, which include, zero energy. When I go to ride my bike I get dizzy, heart starts to flutter and I have to stop, then I throw up. I have tried everything for the past two years to get help with all these issues.
Naturopath seems to have gotten to the bottom of my issues and "adrenal failure" seems to make sense, because when I start to over-exert I get sick.
What does everyone on here suggest I do if my doctor and naturopath are quacks?
I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on MFP (despite what you may think).
How is your nutrition? Are you eating enough (not sure if you are here to lose weight, just to track calories/macros, or what)? Are you hydrated? Are you sleeping well?
Although I am not (yet) menopausal, I understand that some of the symptoms (hot flashes/night sweats) can cause disruptive sleep.
If you would prefer not to divulge this information on a public forum, please feel free to send me a PM. As I mentioned, I have friends who have spent a FORTUNE on naturopaths and regret doing so. It seems that their MO is to diagnose a patient with some made-up condition, project optimism that whatever vitamins/herbs they sell will fix everything, and then pump a person full of crap that doesn't do anything to help.
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Naturopathic Physicians (the other NP) get a bad reputation largely due to the lack of standardization in training. The doc who overran our gross anatomy lab was a naturopathic physician - his schooling took him through the full allopathic and osteopathic, in addition to his naturopathic curriculum. While one of most brilliant physicians, the lack of standardization in licensing prohibited him from any direct treatment and he was only able to consult and teach.
The problem with the development of new syndromes before there is scientific proof is that diagnosis of such broad spectrum issues such as adrenal fatigue syndrome does not drill deep enough into the root cause and only treat the symptoms, thereby allowing the root cause to persist and possibly worsen.0 -
LOL @ the term "WooWoo". Must attempt to use this in conversation in the near future...
In all seriousness though, I have read about adrenal fatigue in the past and can see how one can be completely worn down after a long period of stress/illness/etc. But, I can't really say if I believe it is a medical condition as opposed to something that just naturally happens when dealing with "stuff". When we are stressed, we aren't taking care of ourselves. When we have demanding jobs, we aren't taking care of ourselves. When we have too much on our minds, we cannot sleep. It just seems to be common knowledge.
I'm 100% on board with the fact you probably feel run down, and I'm certain that taking care of yourself will help tremendously! Start by eating healthy, exercising, taking time to do things you love, etc.0 -
Yes, lots of women here are in and around menopause (I'm peri) and I believe there's a menopause group. Perhaps someone will come along and post a link to it.Stressedby8 wrote: »Thanks all for the feedback, suggestions and doctor bashing lol. That was not my question, but funny how quickly everyone gets on their high-horse. lol
In answer to my original question, I guess no one here is suffering from menopause symptoms and adrenal fatigue like me.
I will still take the advice of my Doctor, Endocrinologist and Naturopath, thanks anyways.
Here on the main forums the focus is on CICO rather than clean eating. Here's a link to the clean eating group: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/133-clean-eating-groupStressedby8 wrote: »Naturopathy is a very great source of information and good, clean eating and supplements. Pretty much what we are all looking for on MFP, isn't it?
But as in all things in life, to each his own. No need to be insulting.
And yes, Cherimoose, I can see that now.... no worries, I have thick skin.
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Stressedby8 wrote: »Any other suffers out there, put your hands up!
Just found out that is my issue so totally changing my diet.
I have been on a total roll the past few months, tracking, eating healthy, but apparently all the wrong things.
I need to totally cut out all sugar, fruit, dairy.
Struggling to come up with a good plan for breakfast. Lunch and dinner are okay. Just a protein and veggies.
How about eggs or the same thing you would have for lunch or dinner?
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I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on MFP (despite what you may think).
How is your nutrition? Are you eating enough (not sure if you are here to lose weight, just to track calories/macros, or what)? Are you hydrated? Are you sleeping well?
Although I am not (yet) menopausal, I understand that some of the symptoms (hot flashes/night sweats) can cause disruptive sleep.
If you would prefer not to divulge this information on a public forum, please feel free to send me a PM. As I mentioned, I have friends who have spent a FORTUNE on naturopaths and regret doing so. It seems that their MO is to diagnose a patient with some made-up condition, project optimism that whatever vitamins/herbs they sell will fix everything, and then pump a person full of crap that doesn't do anything to help.
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Thanks for asking, my nutrition was not good three months ago when I joing MFP. I have lost 12 lbs by following Weight Watchers and logging on every day with MFP. I was eating pretty healthy with a few added snacks and wine! I drink at least 3 litres of water a day.
I was going along thinking that I was taking good care of myself nutritionally and exercise wise. But my body was failing me.
I have been in menopause for 2 years. Hot flashes, not sleeping at night. Another part of adrenal stress is no sleep because apparently they regenerate at night time.
I also have all the stress of a large family and working in a family business.
I will check out the menopause group, good idea.
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kshama2001 wrote: »Yes, lots of women here are in and around menopause (I'm peri) and I believe there's a menopause group. Perhaps someone will come along and post a link to it.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/506-near-or-post-menopausal-groupStressedby8 wrote: »I have been on a total roll the past few months, tracking, eating healthy, but apparently all the wrong things.
I need to totally cut out all sugar, fruit, dairy.
Struggling to come up with a good plan for breakfast. Lunch and dinner are okay. Just a protein and veggies.
Neither menopause nor "adrenal fatigue" changes the fact that you lose weight by eating fewer calories than you burn—period. Learn to log everything you eat & drink accurately & honestly. Logging works.0 -
Thanks for asking, my nutrition was not good three months ago when I joing MFP. I have lost 12 lbs by following Weight Watchers and logging on every day with MFP. I was eating pretty healthy with a few added snacks and wine! I drink at least 3 litres of water a day.
I was going along thinking that I was taking good care of myself nutritionally and exercise wise. But my body was failing me.
I have been in menopause for 2 years. Hot flashes, not sleeping at night. Another part of adrenal stress is no sleep because apparently they regenerate at night time.
I also have all the stress of a large family and working in a family business.
I will check out the menopause group, good idea.
Poor nutrition, poor sleep, stress, menopause symptoms - these are your issues, not some trumped up diagnosis from a naturopath. It is not surprising (to me, anyway) that you did not feel well while exercising.
Have you tried yoga or meditation/breathing exercises?
I think working in a family business alone would cause me more stress than I would know how to handle.
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