Have we been really wrong?
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What happened, years ago, is this: people were overeating fat (and probably everything in general). Doctors advised people to eat less fat in favor or more veggies/fruit. But what actually happened was food companies created lowfat cookies and snacks...so people ate them. And ate them. And ate more of them. And kept getting fatter. So now the conclusion is that fat was never evil in the first place--must be the carbs.
Certainly some healthy fat is good for us. That doesn't mean endless fat, and it doesn't mean that carbs are evil. It just means that when doctors advised us to cut down on fat, we were supposed to eat more produce and WE FAILED.
I read an interview once with a nutrition scientist who placed the blame for the low fat craze on the USDA. He claimed that scientists presented evidence showing that Americans needed to cut the amount of saturated fat they were eating to the USDA, who then decided that people were too lazy to determine what were saturated vs unsaturated fats and made the general recommendation to "eat less fat" which quickly became "eat low fat". It was on the internet, but I read it years ago and don't know if I can find it again. I'll give it a quick try though. It was probably someone from Harvard since they seem to always be dissing the USDA.0 -
I got fat cos I ate too much of everything!
Too much of anything can be bad for you, and every thing in moderation can be good for you.0 -
When someone sees me eating a bar of chocolate, or a donut etc at work, they'll be like 'you shouldn't be eating that. I thought you were wanting to lose weight?' I can eat what I want. I've lost nearly 2st since March and I still eat the same things, just smaller quantities and they are factored into my daily calories. Some people really don't understand it's quite simple to lose weight just by cutting down your calories. I have a hard time explaining this to people. Low-fat foods (weight watchers stuff) is packed full of sugar and artificial crap to make it taste better, so I avoid all these 'healthy' meals, or I check the nutritional info on the back before buying.0
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LOL this low-fat for weight loss idea dates back to the 80s. It's been known for a while that a high-fat diet doesn't necessarily make you fat. If anything, it helps satisfy your appetite. And yes, certain fats are healthy.0
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We were wrong! You can track the obesity epidemic to it's 'beginning' and it coincides with the AHA determination that we must eat low fat. Shows you medical people aren't as smart as they think0
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Where have you been for the past 10-15 years?0
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omg you mean to tell us that we just gain weight not because of Fat but too much calories???
who could have thank it..0 -
HikeCyclist wrote: »LOL this low-fat for weight loss idea dates back to the 80s. It's been known for a while that a high-fat diet doesn't necessarily make you fat. If anything, it helps satisfy your appetite. And yes, certain fats are healthy.
It goes back further than the 80's0 -
blackcoffeeandcherrypie wrote: »I was raised on the F-plan, from which my mother somehow deduced that wholemeal bread was the be-all and end-all of diets. We very rarely had any protein, very little dairy (we used to get told off for drinking all the milk or eating all the cheese). Meat was something served once or twice a week, in small amounts and the rest was carbs, carbs, carbs. Potatoes every day, sandwiches every lunch, barely a vegetable or a piece of lean meat in sight.
Obviously, I'm still fat so it didn't work! But she still reckons protein is bad. She keeps trying to tell me that protein makes tumours grow. So I guess it's not old news for everyone.
I hear ya'. Grew up in that era myself. I was an overweight but active teen. It was emotional eating and that way of eating.0 -
We were wrong! You can track the obesity epidemic to it's 'beginning' and it coincides with the AHA determination that we must eat low fat. Shows you medical people aren't as smart as they think
Hard to say that's the cause when people in the US actually increased the amount of fat calories we consumed.
But yeah, the fear of fat was wrong (and that's been known for some time).
I think Susan Powter has moved on to hating carbs.0 -
blackcoffeeandcherrypie wrote: »I was raised on the F-plan, from which my mother somehow deduced that wholemeal bread was the be-all and end-all of diets. We very rarely had any protein, very little dairy (we used to get told off for drinking all the milk or eating all the cheese). Meat was something served once or twice a week, in small amounts and the rest was carbs, carbs, carbs. Potatoes every day, sandwiches every lunch, barely a vegetable or a piece of lean meat in sight.
Obviously, I'm still fat so it didn't work! But she still reckons protein is bad. She keeps trying to tell me that protein makes tumours grow. So I guess it's not old news for everyone.
Being anti protein is less a popular thing that is now (mostly) outdated, like anti fat. It's more a thing that's been popular in a certain subculture or subcultures throughout. You can find threads on MFP where people talk up McDougall's Starch Solution (which sounds kind of like what you describe) or HCLF diets of various sorts.
The China Study is a good example of the argument that protein is bad for us (including that it causes tumors to grow), and some of the popular food documentaries seem influenced by that idea too.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »blackcoffeeandcherrypie wrote: »I was raised on the F-plan, from which my mother somehow deduced that wholemeal bread was the be-all and end-all of diets. We very rarely had any protein, very little dairy (we used to get told off for drinking all the milk or eating all the cheese). Meat was something served once or twice a week, in small amounts and the rest was carbs, carbs, carbs. Potatoes every day, sandwiches every lunch, barely a vegetable or a piece of lean meat in sight.
Obviously, I'm still fat so it didn't work! But she still reckons protein is bad. She keeps trying to tell me that protein makes tumours grow. So I guess it's not old news for everyone.
Being anti protein is less a popular thing that is now (mostly) outdated, like anti fat. It's more a thing that's been popular in a certain subculture or subcultures throughout. You can find threads on MFP where people talk up McDougall's Starch Solution (which sounds kind of like what you describe) or HCLF diets of various sorts.
The China Study is a good example of the argument that protein is bad for us (including that it causes tumors to grow), and some of the popular food documentaries seem influenced by that idea too.
I thought most of the push was against animal protein, but not protein in general. Though I don't watch many food documentaries.0 -
I just think it's all pretty funny tbh. I mean everyone was so wrapped up in "high fat diets are bad science pwooves it!" And now everyone is like "Carbes are tah devils science pwooves it!"
Apparently people haven't learned their lesson yet.0 -
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.
and sugar. sugar is evil
Not just sugar, but all carbs if dosed too high are toxic.
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SergeantSausage wrote: »
I beg to differ, if it is old news why is my market offering 100 versions of low fat, sugar or fake sugar heavy yogurts and only a few regular fat versions?
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I eat a low-fat, high-carb diet and do not eat lots of added sugars, sodium or refined grains...unless flour counts. I eat bread. But I make it myself and use unbleached flour.
You can go low-fat and remain healthy. Promise.
If you read the population wide data, you are the exception (or maybe just haven't yet succumbed). A majority on a high carb diet have issues eventually.
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Like water. Does that make water evil?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.
and sugar. sugar is evil
Not just sugar, but all carbs if dosed too high are toxic.
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You would think this is old news but this week I was talking to a family member and said that I wasn't hitting my fat macros while training and needed more fats through nuts, full fat yoghurts, etc and she was very certain that fats were bad for me and I should be reducing them not increasing them.
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »blackcoffeeandcherrypie wrote: »I was raised on the F-plan, from which my mother somehow deduced that wholemeal bread was the be-all and end-all of diets. We very rarely had any protein, very little dairy (we used to get told off for drinking all the milk or eating all the cheese). Meat was something served once or twice a week, in small amounts and the rest was carbs, carbs, carbs. Potatoes every day, sandwiches every lunch, barely a vegetable or a piece of lean meat in sight.
Obviously, I'm still fat so it didn't work! But she still reckons protein is bad. She keeps trying to tell me that protein makes tumours grow. So I guess it's not old news for everyone.
Being anti protein is less a popular thing that is now (mostly) outdated, like anti fat. It's more a thing that's been popular in a certain subculture or subcultures throughout. You can find threads on MFP where people talk up McDougall's Starch Solution (which sounds kind of like what you describe) or HCLF diets of various sorts.
The China Study is a good example of the argument that protein is bad for us (including that it causes tumors to grow), and some of the popular food documentaries seem influenced by that idea too.
I thought most of the push was against animal protein, but not protein in general. Though I don't watch many food documentaries.
It's also against having higher amounts of protein (which is alleged to be one of the problems from SAD), but of course that's related to the fact that you tend to have less protein in general if you rely on animal sources. Here's an example from McDougall: https://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2004nl/040100puproteinoverload.htm0 -
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SergeantSausage wrote: »
I beg to differ, if it is old news why is my market offering 100 versions of low fat, sugar or fake sugar heavy yogurts and only a few regular fat versions?
They offer it because people buy it. Supply and demand. But eating low fat products does not = eating a low fat diet.
I always buy lowfat dairy and still strive to keep my fat macro under control.0 -
I eat 0% yogurt because I prefer to get my fat from other sources. That I eat 0% yogurt, or that the store sells it, doesn't imply that either I or they think fat is problematic.SergeantSausage wrote: »
I beg to differ, if it is old news why is my market offering 100 versions of low fat, sugar or fake sugar heavy yogurts and only a few regular fat versions?
Maybe people just don't want to use yogurt as a source of their fat and prefer to get it from beef, or bacon, or peanut butter, or whatever.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
Like water. Does that make water evil?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.
and sugar. sugar is evil
Not just sugar, but all carbs if dosed too high are toxic.
If your government, food industry, friends, nutritional and health experts are promoting water ingestion at a level that causes illness and death then it would be important to identify that substance as toxic in order to reduce it to healthful and manageable quantities in your diet.
'Evil' is a bit of an emotional rather than factual label, but it might help some people control their level of use.
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Don't hurt your back moving those goalposts. Lift with your knees.DeguelloTex wrote: »
Like water. Does that make water evil?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »GuitarJerry wrote: »Yes. This is fairly common knowledge.
I used to think this too, but I'm a little shocked sometimes at how many people still think fat is something to be avoided as much as possible.
and sugar. sugar is evil
Not just sugar, but all carbs if dosed too high are toxic.
If your government, food industry, friends, nutritional and health experts are promoting water ingestion at a level that causes illness and death then it would be important to identify that substance as toxic in order to reduce it to healthful and manageable quantities in your diet.
'Evil' is a bit of an emotional rather than factual label, but it might help some people control their level of use.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
I eat 0% yogurt because I prefer to get my fat from other sources. That I eat 0% yogurt, or that the store sells it, doesn't imply that either I or they think fat is problematic.SergeantSausage wrote: »
I beg to differ, if it is old news why is my market offering 100 versions of low fat, sugar or fake sugar heavy yogurts and only a few regular fat versions?
Maybe people just don't want to use yogurt as a source of their fat and prefer to get it from beef, or bacon, or peanut butter, or whatever.
Yeah, this is me. I usually like 0% (sometimes 2%) just as well and find it just as filling, so I prefer to get my fat from chicken with skin or cheese or steak, etc. (Or nuts or olives or avocado or salmon, of course.)0
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