(Men) Does weight matter?
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Note: I respect anyone who is trying to get in shape. It's these people who say love the shape you are that are lazy fcukers and just make it worse0
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I wonder if there should be a thread started titled: (Women) Does money matter?0
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mikestobbs1 wrote: »Note: I respect anyone who is trying to get in shape. It's these people who say love the shape you are that are lazy fcukers and just make it worse
Yes. I agree. Now, if a person is extremely overweight, has accepted the fact that there are health risks in staying overweight and has decided to change her life and make sacrifices, I applaud her. If the person, on the other hand, is always throwing a pity party and looking for someone to tell her that "everything gonna be alright......" sorry, I'm not the one.0 -
mikestobbs1 wrote: »LMAO at all these guys responses, it's pathetic. A fat women (grossly overweight) is not desirable at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Fat people are lazy and have no respect for themselves. How can anybody want that? You can have the best personality ever, if your spilling out of your xxl clothes then your still disgusting. Inb4 backlash because fat people and guys who desperately need women's approval can't handle the truth I speak.
lol...wow...tell us how you really feel though.0 -
100% yes and I'm not ashamed.rjmudlax13 wrote: »I wonder if there should be a thread started titled: (Women) Does money matter?
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If you have let yourself get to a position where you are clearly fat or obese and you are just happy to stay there and do nothing about then it does matter and is a problem. Whereas if they can realise and try to make a change then the will get much more respect in my opinion. Same applies to guys aswell0
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Chiming in from a woman's perspective: as I've aged, my views on how men view women has changed greatly.
Chubby 16 year old: "Of course he doesn't want to date me! I'm so fat!"
Pudgy 20 year old: "Men are so SHALLOW!"
Fat 25 year old: "I'm beautiful and any guy who can't see that doesn't deserve me!"
Fat, Getting Fit 30 year old: "I'm beautiful on the inside, and working on beautifying the outside. I respect and understand that any guy who doesn't find me attractive, simply doesn't find me attractive/is allowed to have an opinion on who he dates."
/workinprogress0 -
dirtyflirty30 wrote: »Chiming in from a woman's perspective: as I've aged, my views on how men view women has changed greatly.
Chubby 16 year old: "Of course he doesn't want to date me! I'm so fat!"
Pudgy 20 year old: "Men are so SHALLOW!"
Fat 25 year old: "I'm beautiful and any guy who can't see that doesn't deserve me!"
Fat, Getting Fit 30 year old: "I'm beautiful on the inside, and working on beautifying the outside. I respect and understand that any guy who doesn't find me attractive, simply doesn't find me attractive/is allowed to have an opinion on who he dates."
/workinprogress
This might explain why I found women in their 30s way sexier than women in their 20s when I was in my 20s!0 -
coreyreichle wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I would date a woman who is overweight. I wouldn't date a woman who is obese.
Overweight can mean life just got in the way of taking care of yourself. Morbid obesity means you gave up. And that sort of thing trickles into all facets of your life, not just fitness.
So completely and totally true! I mean, heck, I was morbidly obese for years. Years in which I bought a house, raised two children, started my own production company, wrote a novel, wrote and directed short films and videos, worked full time to support my family, managed a little league team to first place (and another to last), ran and played on a softball team every year, traveled the world, etc and so on.
Just imagine what I could have done had I not just given up on life... /sarcasm
Don't get me wrong - I am much better off for being (more) fit now, and having shed the weight. And choosing not to date someone for any reason is obviously one's prerogative. But this line of "reasoning" and extrapolation is so f***ing lazy and ignorant, it tends to elicit a response from me.
Carry on.
Oh, and I like women of all shapes and sizes...
You can buy a house, raise two kids, hell, even start a business while essentially giving up on critical things in life. It's not a huge effort to buy a house. And I know lots of really f'n lazy folk who have 5 kids. I know 1 person who is a generally lazy person and has started 1 business per year over the past decade.
Again, lack of discipline in one area of a person's life tends to show a lack of discipline in other areas. Is it 100% accurate all the time? No, it's a generalization meant to rapidly cull the available options down to a set more easily managed, and is generally accurate.
I like it. I do it to. Take anecdotal evidence to back up my preconceived notions. I have my own prejudices. I tend to assume that people who think the way that you have outlined above are A-holes. That too is a generalization. I realize that not everyone who thinks that way is an A-hole, and likely not in every arena in life. But it makes it easier to cull down the options of whom I want to spend time getting to know, and I have found it to be generally accurate. Suppose we all have our crosses to bear...0 -
I think men are no different than women. We're all visual creatures and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I get hit on less at 200 pounds than at lower weight. I expect that. The thing I do notice is my weight ends up making me less attractive due to my own self esteem issues that add baggage men don't want. Nor do I blame them for. Men don't all look for size perfect but when added weight adds drama that is the woman's issue. I know not liking myself puts pressure on a relationship. Not a good thing if I'm size 200 or 120.1
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Feistychick68 wrote: »I think men are no different than women. We're all visual creatures and beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I get hit on less at 200 pounds than at lower weight. I expect that. The thing I do notice is my weight ends up making me less attractive due to my own self esteem issues that add baggage men don't want. Nor do I blame them for. Men don't all look for size perfect but when added weight adds drama that is the woman's issue. I know not liking myself puts pressure on a relationship. Not a good thing if I'm size 200 or 120.
Agreed. That is exactly the problem I have. One of my guy friends once told me "The only person who has a problem with what you look like, is you. You're fine." Sometimes I forget. Sometimes I need reminders!0 -
yes it matters. we are on a fitness site. This is like asking a pastry chef if taste matters.0
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Ouch this could get messy...0
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Touche, but think in real life as well.LiftingRiot wrote: »yes it matters. we are on a fitness site. This is like asking a pastry chef if taste matters.
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BasicGreatGuy wrote: »
I am not saying that attraction doesn't play a role. It does. However, I don't agree with the societal message that promotes the idea, that ladies have to be a certain way physically, in order to be accepted and loved in life. And there are many men that do nothing more than treat ladies as sex objects, reveling in the high physical standards they have set for themselves, as if they were looking to buy a race horse, all the while turning a blind eye to their own imperfections.BasicGreatGuy wrote: »softblondechick wrote: »Quick answer, a 5'9" 130 pound woman is constantly asked out by men. At the store, the gym, sitting at Subway eating a sandwich.
A 5'9", 230 pound woman, spends weekends with her cat. She can count the number of dates she has had in the last five years on one hand.
I know this, because I have been both of those women!
And the men that would be embarrassed to know that the lady they once wouldn't give the time of day, is the same lady that they now want to get to know...
If a man can't truly see the woman before him, he is lost inside himself.
It is amazing the amount of pressure that so many ladies feel in one breath, all from a society that touts "til death do us part" marriages as something to aspire to (which I agree with) and in another breath, treats her as nothing more than eye candy.
Men are visual creatures - we are biologically created like this.
Only men think this way? I beg to differ.
A-holes come in all genders, colors, shapes and sizes.0 -
lislisa123 wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »
I am not saying that attraction doesn't play a role. It does. However, I don't agree with the societal message that promotes the idea, that ladies have to be a certain way physically, in order to be accepted and loved in life. And there are many men that do nothing more than treat ladies as sex objects, reveling in the high physical standards they have set for themselves, as if they were looking to buy a race horse, all the while turning a blind eye to their own imperfections.BasicGreatGuy wrote: »softblondechick wrote: »Quick answer, a 5'9" 130 pound woman is constantly asked out by men. At the store, the gym, sitting at Subway eating a sandwich.
A 5'9", 230 pound woman, spends weekends with her cat. She can count the number of dates she has had in the last five years on one hand.
I know this, because I have been both of those women!
And the men that would be embarrassed to know that the lady they once wouldn't give the time of day, is the same lady that they now want to get to know...
If a man can't truly see the woman before him, he is lost inside himself.
It is amazing the amount of pressure that so many ladies feel in one breath, all from a society that touts "til death do us part" marriages as something to aspire to (which I agree with) and in another breath, treats her as nothing more than eye candy.
Men are visual creatures - we are biologically created like this.
I'd have to blame the porn industry for that mate, porn *kitten* up your subconscious. Makes most men these days have UN-realistic expectations from women.
Directly related to why they see them as sex objects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
Highly recommended to check that link.
P.S - I've stopped watching it 6 months back
Wow, interesting, scary, true, sad, all the above. All men should see this lecture. If men only knew what porn was really doing to them and their relationships.
Sure interesting. I would also like to see what romance novels, literotica and Disney romance fairy tales do to women when it comes to relationships.0 -
rjmudlax13 wrote: »lislisa123 wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »
I am not saying that attraction doesn't play a role. It does. However, I don't agree with the societal message that promotes the idea, that ladies have to be a certain way physically, in order to be accepted and loved in life. And there are many men that do nothing more than treat ladies as sex objects, reveling in the high physical standards they have set for themselves, as if they were looking to buy a race horse, all the while turning a blind eye to their own imperfections.BasicGreatGuy wrote: »softblondechick wrote: »Quick answer, a 5'9" 130 pound woman is constantly asked out by men. At the store, the gym, sitting at Subway eating a sandwich.
A 5'9", 230 pound woman, spends weekends with her cat. She can count the number of dates she has had in the last five years on one hand.
I know this, because I have been both of those women!
And the men that would be embarrassed to know that the lady they once wouldn't give the time of day, is the same lady that they now want to get to know...
If a man can't truly see the woman before him, he is lost inside himself.
It is amazing the amount of pressure that so many ladies feel in one breath, all from a society that touts "til death do us part" marriages as something to aspire to (which I agree with) and in another breath, treats her as nothing more than eye candy.
Men are visual creatures - we are biologically created like this.
I'd have to blame the porn industry for that mate, porn *kitten* up your subconscious. Makes most men these days have UN-realistic expectations from women.
Directly related to why they see them as sex objects.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
Highly recommended to check that link.
P.S - I've stopped watching it 6 months back
Wow, interesting, scary, true, sad, all the above. All men should see this lecture. If men only knew what porn was really doing to them and their relationships.
Sure interesting. I would also like to see what romance novels, literotica and Disney romance fairy tales do to women when it comes to relationships.
Disney doesn't have anything to do with this.
I'll just lose my voice, grow some legs and wait for my prince to come. Carry on... 
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rjmudlax13 wrote: »lislisa123 wrote: »BasicGreatGuy wrote: »
I am not saying that attraction doesn't play a role. It does. However, I don't agree with the societal message that promotes the idea, that ladies have to be a certain way physically, in order to be accepted and loved in life. And there are many men that do nothing more than treat ladies as sex objects, reveling in the high physical standards they have set for themselves, as if they were looking to buy a race horse, all the while turning a blind eye to their own imperfections.BasicGreatGuy wrote: »softblondechick wrote: »Quick answer, a 5'9" 130 pound woman is constantly asked out by men. At the store, the gym, sitting at Subway eating a sandwich.
A 5'9", 230 pound woman, spends weekends with her cat. She can count the number of dates she has had in the last five years on one hand.
I know this, because I have been both of those women!
And the men that would be embarrassed to know that the lady they once wouldn't give the time of day, is the same lady that they now want to get to know...
If a man can't truly see the woman before him, he is lost inside himself.
It is amazing the amount of pressure that so many ladies feel in one breath, all from a society that touts "til death do us part" marriages as something to aspire to (which I agree with) and in another breath, treats her as nothing more than eye candy.
Men are visual creatures - we are biologically created like this.
I'd have to blame the porn industry for that mate, porn *kitten* up your subconscious. Makes most men these days have UN-realistic expectations from women.
Directly related to why they see them as sex objects.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU
Highly recommended to check that link.
P.S - I've stopped watching it 6 months back
Wow, interesting, scary, true, sad, all the above. All men should see this lecture. If men only knew what porn was really doing to them and their relationships.
Sure interesting. I would also like to see what romance novels, literotica and Disney romance fairy tales do to women when it comes to relationships.
Disney doesn't have anything to do with this. I'll just lose my voice, grow some legs and wait for my prince to come. Carry on...
You won't have to wait long...maybe a couple seconds.0 -
coreyreichle wrote: »coreyreichle wrote: »I would date a woman who is overweight. I wouldn't date a woman who is obese.
Overweight can mean life just got in the way of taking care of yourself. Morbid obesity means you gave up. And that sort of thing trickles into all facets of your life, not just fitness.
So completely and totally true! I mean, heck, I was morbidly obese for years. Years in which I bought a house, raised two children, started my own production company, wrote a novel, wrote and directed short films and videos, worked full time to support my family, managed a little league team to first place (and another to last), ran and played on a softball team every year, traveled the world, etc and so on.
Just imagine what I could have done had I not just given up on life... /sarcasm
Don't get me wrong - I am much better off for being (more) fit now, and having shed the weight. And choosing not to date someone for any reason is obviously one's prerogative. But this line of "reasoning" and extrapolation is so f***ing lazy and ignorant, it tends to elicit a response from me.
Carry on.
Oh, and I like women of all shapes and sizes...
You can buy a house, raise two kids, hell, even start a business while essentially giving up on critical things in life. It's not a huge effort to buy a house. And I know lots of really f'n lazy folk who have 5 kids. I know 1 person who is a generally lazy person and has started 1 business per year over the past decade.
Again, lack of discipline in one area of a person's life tends to show a lack of discipline in other areas. Is it 100% accurate all the time? No, it's a generalization meant to rapidly cull the available options down to a set more easily managed, and is generally accurate.
I like it. I do it to. Take anecdotal evidence to back up my preconceived notions. I have my own prejudices. I tend to assume that people who think the way that you have outlined above are A-holes. That too is a generalization. I realize that not everyone who thinks that way is an A-hole, and likely not in every arena in life. But it makes it easier to cull down the options of whom I want to spend time getting to know, and I have found it to be generally accurate. Suppose we all have our crosses to bear...
Wrong. I take observations, and apply trends to them.
Typically, I see someone who is morbidly obese is also not willing to take charge of their own life, lacks discipline, and it lazy. Those are trends.
Yes, there are some outliers.
You think I'm an *kitten* because I use generalizations? Welcome to the real world.0 -
Disney doesn't have anything to do with this. I'll just lose my voice, grow some legs and wait for my prince to come. Carry on... [/quote]
'clapping emoji' to you on this.. I am still giggling!!0
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