Can I burn off 1200 calories then eat a pizza?

USAMcK
USAMcK Posts: 80 Member
edited November 23 in Food and Nutrition
Seriously. I'm going hiking all day tomorrow and I want to know if I can immediately eat as many calories as I burn. Alternatively, can I eat half a pizza and THEN burn it all off?

Is it linear like that?

And I plan to actually burn closer to 1800, but I can't eat that much pizza. ;)

Thanks for any help!
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  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    The whole pizza? I could maybe do three pieces. If I were you I'd fuel that hike with a little carb, a little protein before, and carry a little hikers mix with me.

    Not that it will change how your body burns, but if your glycogen stores get used up mid-hike you are going to hit a wall.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    It's not linear like that.
  • lyric12882
    lyric12882 Posts: 6 Member
    I don't know, but if you do let me know the outcome
  • USAMcK
    USAMcK Posts: 80 Member
    jgnatca: Nah, 3 or 4 slices. I eat fine before my hike. I still have my normal 1200 calories. That's not my question.
    jgnatca wrote: »
    It's not linear like that.

    Then how is it? Can you source your comment?

    lyric: I sure will. ;p
  • EmmaFitzwilliam
    EmmaFitzwilliam Posts: 482 Member
    As a very general rule of thumb, yes, you want to eat a lot of protein right after an extended calorie burn. Pizza isn't what I would pick, but do what works for you. The rule of thumb on MFP is eat eat back 1/2 to 2/3 the calories MFP (or another app/device) calculates you burned to allow for s margin of error.

    As others have noted, weight changes, while simplistically reduced to "calories in:calories out" and "3500 calorie deficit to lose a pound" are not linear. You need to look at an aggregate 2-3 week view, at a minimum.

    On the flip side, no one day is going to make or break your prospects for success.

    If your general pattern is to be within your calorie goal, one day should make no difference in the long term.

    In the short term, especially if you do eat a lot of pizza, carbs, sodium, and poor hydration all lead to water retention. I would not be surprised to see a weight spike immediately after (i.e., the next day) making those choices. Three to five days out with more typical intake/hydration/activity will probably give you a clearer picture.
  • USAMcK
    USAMcK Posts: 80 Member
    Emma, thanks for commenting. I knew all that already! Yay us! I guess I should have titled this a science question and not a "how do I lose weight?" question.

    I never use the MFP burn. I average what my heart rate monitor spits out and the Brayden online calculator. Worked to help me lose 80 lbs. last time.

    I keep a running average and a weekly average on my own spreadsheet.

    One day absolutely does not make a difference, you're right. Especially when my weekly average is spot on. Though I try not to borrow calories from one day to the next.

    I eat pizza like twice a year so I'm not worried about ill effects.

    I definitely worded this wrong to be getting all these off-topic answers. MY BAD.

  • Orphia
    Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
    I say, "go for it"! And yay you! I love pizza and love walking, so I'm envious of the awesome day you'll be having.

    Have a wonderful time!
  • patrikc333
    patrikc333 Posts: 436 Member
    I always eat back what I'm burning, otherwise I'll be starving and losing weight
  • KANGOOJUMPS
    KANGOOJUMPS Posts: 6,474 Member
    um.sure. I would rather drink a bottle of wine, hell have both.
  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 25,630 Member
    edited September 2015
    USAMcK wrote: »
    Seriously. I'm going hiking all day tomorrow and I want to know if I can immediately eat as many calories as I burn. Alternatively, can I eat half a pizza and THEN burn it all off?

    Is it linear like that?

    And I plan to actually burn closer to 1800, but I can't eat that much pizza. ;)

    Thanks for any help!

    Yup! :)

    I do that with cycling mainly ... go for a long ride (burns 100 cal for every 5 km) and then come home and have pizza or tacos or spaghetti or something else yummy. :) If it is a really long ride, I'll stop in the middle and have a cauliflower and cheese pie and a pastry at Banjos. :grin:

    I've also done it with hiking. There are some good hikes around Tasmania, and 4 or 5 hours of hiking burns a decent number of calories.

  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,241 Member
    I just ate a whole (small) pizza because I've had a pretty epic deficit the last 4 days. I'm feeling pretty damn good about it. It was a flippin' magnificent pizza.
  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,399 Member
    USAMcK wrote: »
    Seriously. I'm going hiking all day tomorrow and I want to know if I can immediately eat as many calories as I burn. Alternatively, can I eat half a pizza and THEN burn it all off?

    Is it linear like that?

    And I plan to actually burn closer to 1800, but I can't eat that much pizza. ;)

    Thanks for any help!

    I do it. When I exercise I eat back most of my calories, and sometimes all of them.

    For me personally, exercise is a means to allow me to eat a little more and still lose some weight. I'll still work out when I'm more disciplined with my foods, but for now it really helps.

  • sheermomentum
    sheermomentum Posts: 827 Member
    edited September 2015
    Is your question about what effect it will have on weight loss? The equation doesn't change because either pizza or hiking is involved. If you burn 1800 calories and eat 1200 over the same period, then you have a 600 calorie deficit. Except the ins and outs are balanced over a longer period of time than 1 day. Its a constant, ongoing, cyclical process. But we break it down into days usually to make it easier to manage. You could eat nothing for one day and then eat the extra 1200 calories the next day and have the same effect, weight wise (or eat the pizza and then fast for a day), but it would be a much less pleasant experience.
  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 25,630 Member
    robertw486 wrote: »
    USAMcK wrote: »
    Seriously. I'm going hiking all day tomorrow and I want to know if I can immediately eat as many calories as I burn. Alternatively, can I eat half a pizza and THEN burn it all off?

    Is it linear like that?

    And I plan to actually burn closer to 1800, but I can't eat that much pizza. ;)

    Thanks for any help!

    I do it. When I exercise I eat back most of my calories, and sometimes all of them.

    For me personally, exercise is a means to allow me to eat a little more and still lose some weight. I'll still work out when I'm more disciplined with my foods, but for now it really helps.

    Absolutely!! I couldn't have stuck with it for the past 6 months without the freedom and flexibility exercise gives me with my diet.

    Funny thing ... we're not much in the way of social butterflies, but in the 6 weeks or so after signing on here last Feb, we had friends visiting from overseas, my birthday, and just a list of social stuff one weekend after the other. If it weren't for lots and lots of cycling and hiking and other exercise, I would have really been struggling.

  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,399 Member
    [/quote]

    Absolutely!! I couldn't have stuck with it for the past 6 months without the freedom and flexibility exercise gives me with my diet.

    Funny thing ... we're not much in the way of social butterflies, but in the 6 weeks or so after signing on here last Feb, we had friends visiting from overseas, my birthday, and just a list of social stuff one weekend after the other. If it weren't for lots and lots of cycling and hiking and other exercise, I would have really been struggling.

    [/quote]

    I'm similar. We are't super social, but when we do get together, we have fun and let loose.

    I had a day we had friends over for a BBQ/funfest day. I ate almost 6000 calories that day! Not a typo!

    But I did fine for the week and it didn't hurt me long term. :)
  • nordlead2005
    nordlead2005 Posts: 1,303 Member
    The answer is you should go for a hike and start eating pizza every week.

    If you mean, if you hike will it burn off a pizza, or if eating a pizza can you then burn it off. The answer is no, but it is convenient to think of it that way. You're body will either burn 1200 calories from somewhere and then process an incoming 1200 calories, or it'll process and use/store 1200 calories and then burn probably a different 1200 calories from somewhere.
  • GaijinAdrian
    GaijinAdrian Posts: 47 Member
    Sure you can! But why would you want to exercise only to eat? It's fine to indulge yourself once in a while. I do it too.. Quite often actually..but go easy on the pizza
  • rsclause
    rsclause Posts: 3,103 Member
    When I compared my running app calories burned in eight miles to eating a Big Mac with fries and a soda, I never ate one again. So many food choices out there. I do have pizza but now its gluten free and two slices of 10" vs eating the entire thing.
  • sheermomentum
    sheermomentum Posts: 827 Member
    edited September 2015
    USAMcK wrote: »
    Emma, thanks for commenting. I knew all that already! Yay us! I guess I should have titled this a science question and not a "how do I lose weight?" question.

    I never use the MFP burn. I average what my heart rate monitor spits out and the Brayden online calculator. Worked to help me lose 80 lbs. last time.

    I keep a running average and a weekly average on my own spreadsheet.

    One day absolutely does not make a difference, you're right. Especially when my weekly average is spot on. Though I try not to borrow calories from one day to the next.

    I eat pizza like twice a year so I'm not worried about ill effects.

    I definitely worded this wrong to be getting all these off-topic answers. MY BAD.
    Perhaps the answer you were looking for is that its cyclical.

    Maybe this is more like what you were wondering:

    Your body runs on glucose (ok, duh, bear with me). When you eat food, its broken down into various chemicals, one of which is glucose. *(Note: your body can actually manufacture glucose from carbohydrates, protein or dietary fat, if necessary.) When there is lots of glucose in your bloodstream (your blood sugar), then its readily available for all your cells to nom up and use for energy. In a well-functioning body system, glucose that is not needed immediately to fuel metabolism is stored either as glycogen in your liver and muscles, or as fat in your fat cells. For a while after you eat, all the glucose you need is available from recently eaten food. You're using up that glucose from the recently eaten food AT THE SAME TIME that some of it is being stored as either fat or glycogen or both. (The body has a limited storage capacity for glycogen, but a unlimited, or at least really large, capacity to store fat. Unfortunately.) After a while your meal will have finished being processing in the body, and if you don't eat again, you will start to burn glycogen and/or body fat to get the glucose that you need. Over the course of a day, you will go in and out of this storage/burn cycle a number of times, assuming that you don't keep eating enough continuously all day and night to stop from ever pulling on the stored resources.

    So, that is why it does not matter (for weight loss) if you eat then hike, or hike then eat. Its constant, cyclical, and ongoing.

    Here are some links that might be interesting:

    http://www.med.upenn.edu/biocbiop/faculty/vanderkooi/
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/331651-burning-fat-vs-glycogen/
    http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/cellular-microscopic/fat-cell3.htm
    http://www.livestrong.com/article/273899-do-fat-protein-turn-into-glucose/

    Hope that was 1. fairly lucid, and 2. more in line with your thinking.
  • Francl27
    Francl27 Posts: 26,371 Member
    Nothing wrong with pizza.

    The only thing is that hiking calories are often really inflated. I've seen people log 1500 calories burn for a 2 hour hike but unless you're climbing all the time, it's typically a lot of walking (and not that fast either as you have to watch your step all the time).. so maybe 200 calories an hour in average?

    But in the end, as long as it fits your calories, it's totally fine.
  • WinoGelato
    WinoGelato Posts: 13,454 Member
    OP I'm not sure I totally understand your question as it seems like you have a pretty good handle on the whole creating deficit through exercise, carrying calories over from day to day, etc.

    The one thing that jumped out at me from your specific example, and a possible outcome that you might see right away, would be some water retention from the sodium in the pizza, that may cause a temporary increase on the scale if you weigh the next day. A lot of people see that and are totally deterred, but usually it normalizes within a day or so.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    @sheermomentum thank you for saying what I was afraid I'd have to dig around for. I see people on training here asking what they should eat immediately before and after a workout, and wondering if it should be protein or carb, then weighing themselves immediately afterwards and trying to get meaningful numbers out of all that.

    1. You have reserves in your liver and in your fat stores that your body is always drawing from no matter how slim or fat you are. Consider it a bank account.
    2. Some foods are metabolised right away for whatever the body needs, others take longer and may go through secondary conversions before being stored as fat or glycogen.
    3. The only athletes who might run out of glycogen are like marathon runners, and they may experience a mid-run slump, resolved with a few gummy bears (~200 calories). You might experience this as you are going on a fairly extensive hike. Another reason to bring along a snack is because hikers sometimes get lost.
    4. Increased cardiovascular activity might increase your metabolism overall, burning more and eating more. This could extend over several days.
    5. Exercising unused muscles means micro-tears, repair and replenish. The body will pull proteins together from its reserves to knit the muscles together. There is temporary increase in water weight while this goes on.

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    So I don't see the process as linear at all, other than in the long haul, the total consumed has to be lower than the total burned for weight loss. You won't see the results that day or even the next day. It just evens out over time.
  • litsy3
    litsy3 Posts: 783 Member
    I burnt 1100 calories today and I've just eaten a pizza. It was delicious. :)
  • jeffpettis
    jeffpettis Posts: 865 Member
    To answer your question without being so technical, no, you probably aren't going to burn that "exact" 1200 calories while hiking if you were to eat say a 1200 calorie meal before. But if you burn 1200 calories during your hike and eat an extra 1200 calories afterwards it doesn't matter where it came from, you still burned exactly the same as you took in.

    There is no need to make all this harder than what it is like some people will try to do. Eat in a deficit 85 or 90% of the time and enjoy a pizza, or wings, or a couple of beers or whatever else when you want them the other 10 or 15% of the time and you will lose weight and stay sane at the same time. B)
  • Timshel_
    Timshel_ Posts: 22,834 Member
    I do it often, where I play tennis for hours then go have a big meal. I don't worry about exact numbers, but it all works out over a week if I am mostly moderating and staying on track. That is how I get to enjoy weekends - dilligent and moderated all week then my extra calories on the weekends.

  • USAMcK
    USAMcK Posts: 80 Member
    AWESOME. I did it. I burned it all off this morning (an hour on the stationary bike and elliptical) and afternoon (2 hour hike with the boyfriend and the dog). I feel awesome. Thanks for all the great comments! We'll see how it plays out on the scale during my weekly weigh-in tomorrow! :)
  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,241 Member
    USAMcK wrote: »
    AWESOME. I did it. I burned it all off this morning (an hour on the stationary bike and elliptical) and afternoon (2 hour hike with the boyfriend and the dog). I feel awesome. Thanks for all the great comments! We'll see how it plays out on the scale during my weekly weigh-in tomorrow! :)

    If you are a little up, keep in mind pizza can be a sodium bomb and that can cause you to retain fluid. My weigh in this morning after last night's pizza wasn't what I was hoping, but I also couldn't take my rings off, so I knew it was me retaining fluid.
  • USAMcK
    USAMcK Posts: 80 Member
    Alatariel: You're right. I won't worry too much if the scale didn't move because I know it'll catch up next week. :) My daily average has never been over 1200 since starting.
  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 25,630 Member
    USAMcK wrote: »
    AWESOME. I did it. I burned it all off this morning (an hour on the stationary bike and elliptical) and afternoon (2 hour hike with the boyfriend and the dog). I feel awesome. Thanks for all the great comments! We'll see how it plays out on the scale during my weekly weigh-in tomorrow! :)

    Sounds great! :)

    Now ... you may gain a bit of weight because of the sodium, but you should lose that again in a day or two. No worries.

  • Machka9
    Machka9 Posts: 25,630 Member
    Sure you can! But why would you want to exercise only to eat?

    Eating is about half the reason why I exercise. I love higher calorie foods ... pizzas, tacos, pasta dishes, cheesecake, ice cream, etc. etc. ... and so I exercise so I can eat them. :)

    The other half of why I exercise is to get in shape for upcoming events.

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