I went from morbidly obese to 6 pack abs! Ask me Anything

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  • mfm143
    mfm143 Posts: 131 Member
    edited September 2015
    vismal wrote: »
    Hey, I wanted to let you know that I broke that plateau I was on. I'm down 4 lbs since I wrote on here with my question. I increased my workout time to 1 hour vs the 30 minutes I was doing.
    Thank you for your advice!
    Great job! Keep up the hard work!
    What's 5x5?
    A type of workout where you do 5 sets of 5 reps on the core lifts. Google "5x5" for more details.
    mfm143 wrote: »
    Hi V some help please .. ... I think I've definitely hit my first plateau as I've been the same weight now for (coming up on ) 6 weeks. While I have lost inches are there any suggestions on how to switch it up and kick start my weight loss again - I'm current doing ICF 5x5 3x a week ( progressing in weight weekly not every wo as I've had trouble w my squats and have had to modify to doing lower weight 1/2 squats until I perfect my form ) and doing HIIT treadmill 30 min 2x wk. Cw 188.2 gw 135-40 sw 197 @5'8 f. I'm on about 1700-1800 cals a day ( includes eating no more than 50% of my ex cals back). Thanks in advance ;)
    Plateau's of that length are 99% of the time caused by simply not being in a deficit. The first thing I would do is stop eating exercise calories. Just eat the same amount every day. Once you've done that for a few weeks, if weight starts moving, carry on, if it does not, reduce calories and give it a few more weeks. Repeat that until you start losing again.

    Sounds good thx will give it a go and report back ;) - I've used so many calculators and all seem to put my bmr at roughly 1750? So if I eat 1800 /day (with no exercise cal) do you think this would give me enough of a deficit ? Currently my macros are at 150p 128c and 66f are these ok?
  • leecha2014
    leecha2014 Posts: 385 Member
    Hi Vismal, love this thread. Question. I am now following ICF 5x5 and want to know if you think that Dumbbells are just as effective as barbells? Also, what do you think of powerblocks? I belong to a gym but would also like to add more weights to my home gym so I can have the option and prefer not to buy a set of barbells / weights and just use the powerblocks. I know it's $$ but saves on space. Thanks :smile:
  • SallyRamona
    SallyRamona Posts: 73 Member
    Great job! You look great.
  • candygibbons26
    candygibbons26 Posts: 138 Member
    Wow !!!! I'm
    New too
    This and just read this you are amazing well
    Done!!!!!
  • candygibbons26
    candygibbons26 Posts: 138 Member
    You have inspired me too get my *kitten* into
    Gear and lose this weight!! Thankyou
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    mfm143 wrote: »
    vismal wrote: »
    Hey, I wanted to let you know that I broke that plateau I was on. I'm down 4 lbs since I wrote on here with my question. I increased my workout time to 1 hour vs the 30 minutes I was doing.
    Thank you for your advice!
    Great job! Keep up the hard work!
    What's 5x5?
    A type of workout where you do 5 sets of 5 reps on the core lifts. Google "5x5" for more details.
    mfm143 wrote: »
    Hi V some help please .. ... I think I've definitely hit my first plateau as I've been the same weight now for (coming up on ) 6 weeks. While I have lost inches are there any suggestions on how to switch it up and kick start my weight loss again - I'm current doing ICF 5x5 3x a week ( progressing in weight weekly not every wo as I've had trouble w my squats and have had to modify to doing lower weight 1/2 squats until I perfect my form ) and doing HIIT treadmill 30 min 2x wk. Cw 188.2 gw 135-40 sw 197 @5'8 f. I'm on about 1700-1800 cals a day ( includes eating no more than 50% of my ex cals back). Thanks in advance ;)
    Plateau's of that length are 99% of the time caused by simply not being in a deficit. The first thing I would do is stop eating exercise calories. Just eat the same amount every day. Once you've done that for a few weeks, if weight starts moving, carry on, if it does not, reduce calories and give it a few more weeks. Repeat that until you start losing again.

    Sounds good thx will give it a go and report back ;) - I've used so many calculators and all seem to put my bmr at roughly 1750? So if I eat 1800 /day (with no exercise cal) do you think this would give me enough of a deficit ? Currently my macros are at 150p 128c and 66f are these ok?
    I don't put much faith into calculators. They are just estimates. Trial and error will tell you if you are in enough of a deficit. Just use your numbers for a few weeks and adjust them based on your actual results.
    leecha2014 wrote: »
    Hi Vismal, love this thread. Question. I am now following ICF 5x5 and want to know if you think that Dumbbells are just as effective as barbells? Also, what do you think of powerblocks? I belong to a gym but would also like to add more weights to my home gym so I can have the option and prefer not to buy a set of barbells / weights and just use the powerblocks. I know it's $$ but saves on space. Thanks :smile:
    Dumbbells are not as effective as a barbell for certain exercises. You cannot do a proper back squat with dumbbells, nor can you do a conventional deadlift. Also, you might find that as you get stronger, you are needing heavier and heavier dumbbells. I'm also not a fan of dumbbells for things like rows or bench press in the 5 rep range. I utilize them more in the higher rep ranges. Sometimes getting the weights into position can be tricky with dumbbells when you are working with 5 rep range weight. I know I would need assistance getting into position to shoulder press dumbbells in a 5x5 scheme.
  • FitRoberta
    FitRoberta Posts: 73 Member
    Hi Vismal,

    Love this thread. I have read almost all of it -- very helpful! Thank you so much! I have what I suspect is a dumb question, but here goes :)

    I am currently in weight loss/fat loss mode. My question: If I'm not gaining muscle mass (and perhaps even losing some), why am I getting stronger as I continue lifting weights while I'm losing weight?

    Some info about me: I'm 46yo, female, 5'9", currently about 172 lbs. I have lost 22 lbs. and I have about 28 lbs. to my goal weight. For exercise, I am doing both cardio and weights on different days. Weights are mostly compound exercises with barbell and dumbbells, and some cable machines (e.g., lat pulls).

    It's my understanding that in weight loss/fat loss mode, I won't gain muscle, but I can work at maintaining what I have, or at least minimizing muscle loss. I hope that part is accurate. It seems to be, based on body composition data from getting weighed at my doctor's office every two weeks. For example, after losing 20 lbs. the data from the scale said I had lost 13 lbs. of "fat mass" and 7 lbs. of "fat-free mass". (Btw, I realize that "fat-free mass" isn't just muscle but also bone, water, everything not fat.) I get that I am not going to gain muscle while I'm losing weight, but I'm curious why I'm able to lift/squat heavier and heavier weights, and I figure there must be some logical explanation. Thanks!

  • dashti911
    dashti911 Posts: 14 Member
    Great thread, Larned a lot about your journey, awesome indeed and helpful. I almost did the same as you, except I keep facing injuries from sports like, Karate, soccer/football and basketball. I've beef doing Insanity and P90x and body beast that helped me from and redesign my whole life. Currently trying to lower my BF and gain more muscle mass. Having hard time revealing my abs bc of the body fat almost 19%, which was 32% couple years ago. Hope to learn from you and m any other in the months to come.
  • rajanveer
    rajanveer Posts: 19 Member
    vismal wrote: »
    Congratulations, that's an amazing transformation. What do you think are the top 5 things that led to your success?
    1. Myfitnesspal of course. It wasn't until I began tracking my intake that my success really started to take off
    2. Understanding that "eating clean" is meaningless and that in order to have true life long success I had to eat foods I enjoyed (ice cream, cookies, etc) on a regular basis but in moderation
    3. Lifting heavy weights
    4. Not listening when people say "you lost enough already" or "you are getting too skinny"
    5. Learning as much about the science behind nutrition and dieting as possible. There is more pseudoscience and myths in this field then any other on earth! So much BS to cut through to find the truth.

    This should form base for any diet/fat loss strategy. Impressive journey n amazing results.
    Question for u if u don't mind answering from ur diary looks like u eat once a day , r u following IF ??? N ur training what rep range u adhere to??
  • suzaka
    suzaka Posts: 39 Member
    I don't think you were morbidly obese before, but there is no doubt about your transformation. Good job to you man. :)
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    FitRoberta wrote: »
    Hi Vismal,

    Love this thread. I have read almost all of it -- very helpful! Thank you so much! I have what I suspect is a dumb question, but here goes :)

    I am currently in weight loss/fat loss mode. My question: If I'm not gaining muscle mass (and perhaps even losing some), why am I getting stronger as I continue lifting weights while I'm losing weight?

    Some info about me: I'm 46yo, female, 5'9", currently about 172 lbs. I have lost 22 lbs. and I have about 28 lbs. to my goal weight. For exercise, I am doing both cardio and weights on different days. Weights are mostly compound exercises with barbell and dumbbells, and some cable machines (e.g., lat pulls).

    It's my understanding that in weight loss/fat loss mode, I won't gain muscle, but I can work at maintaining what I have, or at least minimizing muscle loss. I hope that part is accurate. It seems to be, based on body composition data from getting weighed at my doctor's office every two weeks. For example, after losing 20 lbs. the data from the scale said I had lost 13 lbs. of "fat mass" and 7 lbs. of "fat-free mass". (Btw, I realize that "fat-free mass" isn't just muscle but also bone, water, everything not fat.) I get that I am not going to gain muscle while I'm losing weight, but I'm curious why I'm able to lift/squat heavier and heavier weights, and I figure there must be some logical explanation. Thanks!
    You get stronger for a couple of reasons. The most obvious is muscle gain. While you are correct that normally, while in a deficit, muscle gain is slim to none. If you are a beginner, this isn't necessarily the case. Beginners do gain a bit of muscle while in a deficit. There are also other reasons you gain strength. The next most import reason is you are making neurological adaptations to lifting weights. Strength has a lot to do with your central nervous system responding to the stimuli of weight lifting. In the beginning you can make loads of strength gains through neuro pathways. Finally, your form improving can cause strength gains. For example, a novice lifter might utilize a disproportionate amount of triceps vs chest to do a barbell bench press. If you are able to correct this imbalance through use of improved form, strength can go up. As for body fat measurement scales, even the expensive ones, they are VERY inaccurate. I would use them only as a guide. I would not trust them as far as determining how much fat vs fat free mass you are losing.
    rajanveer wrote: »
    vismal wrote: »
    Congratulations, that's an amazing transformation. What do you think are the top 5 things that led to your success?
    1. Myfitnesspal of course. It wasn't until I began tracking my intake that my success really started to take off
    2. Understanding that "eating clean" is meaningless and that in order to have true life long success I had to eat foods I enjoyed (ice cream, cookies, etc) on a regular basis but in moderation
    3. Lifting heavy weights
    4. Not listening when people say "you lost enough already" or "you are getting too skinny"
    5. Learning as much about the science behind nutrition and dieting as possible. There is more pseudoscience and myths in this field then any other on earth! So much BS to cut through to find the truth.

    This should form base for any diet/fat loss strategy. Impressive journey n amazing results.
    Question for u if u don't mind answering from ur diary looks like u eat once a day , r u following IF ??? N ur training what rep range u adhere to??
    I eat multiple times a day. I do not believe nutrient timing effects results so I simply log all my food into one meal for simplicity. I do utilize intermittent fasting in dieting phases but purely because it helps me stay compliant with the calorie deficit. My training is a mixture of rep ranges. Compound lifts are usually in the 5 rep range, with accessory movements 8-10 and isolation movements 12 or higher. I personally believe rep range is far less important than maintaining progression. No matter what range you are in, if you are progressing in weight, you are building strength/muscle.
    suzaka wrote: »
    I don't think you were morbidly obese before, but there is no doubt about your transformation. Good job to you man. :)
    This has been discussed here already. Morbid obesity isn't a qualitative condition. You either meet criteria or don't and I did. I weighed 315lbs at 6'1. That gave me a BMI of 41.6. The generally accepted definition of morbid obesity is anyone who meets any of these three criteria: 100 lbs over ideal body weight, a BMI > 40, or a BMI > 35 and experiencing obesity related health issues (hypertension, diabetes, etc). I met 2 of those 3 criteria so by definition, I was indeed morbidly obese. I feel this is important because people say this often when I claim I was morbidly obese. While it's okay to say you think I didn't look morbidly obese, its important to recognize that regardless of how well one carries their excess body fat, the dangers and risks of obesity don't care.
  • FitRoberta
    FitRoberta Posts: 73 Member
    vismal wrote: »
    FitRoberta wrote: »
    Hi Vismal,

    Love this thread. I have read almost all of it -- very helpful! Thank you so much! I have what I suspect is a dumb question, but here goes :)

    I am currently in weight loss/fat loss mode. My question: If I'm not gaining muscle mass (and perhaps even losing some), why am I getting stronger as I continue lifting weights while I'm losing weight?

    Some info about me: I'm 46yo, female, 5'9", currently about 172 lbs. I have lost 22 lbs. and I have about 28 lbs. to my goal weight. For exercise, I am doing both cardio and weights on different days. Weights are mostly compound exercises with barbell and dumbbells, and some cable machines (e.g., lat pulls).

    It's my understanding that in weight loss/fat loss mode, I won't gain muscle, but I can work at maintaining what I have, or at least minimizing muscle loss. I hope that part is accurate. It seems to be, based on body composition data from getting weighed at my doctor's office every two weeks. For example, after losing 20 lbs. the data from the scale said I had lost 13 lbs. of "fat mass" and 7 lbs. of "fat-free mass". (Btw, I realize that "fat-free mass" isn't just muscle but also bone, water, everything not fat.) I get that I am not going to gain muscle while I'm losing weight, but I'm curious why I'm able to lift/squat heavier and heavier weights, and I figure there must be some logical explanation. Thanks!
    You get stronger for a couple of reasons. The most obvious is muscle gain. While you are correct that normally, while in a deficit, muscle gain is slim to none. If you are a beginner, this isn't necessarily the case. Beginners do gain a bit of muscle while in a deficit. There are also other reasons you gain strength. The next most import reason is you are making neurological adaptations to lifting weights. Strength has a lot to do with your central nervous system responding to the stimuli of weight lifting. In the beginning you can make loads of strength gains through neuro pathways. Finally, your form improving can cause strength gains. For example, a novice lifter might utilize a disproportionate amount of triceps vs chest to do a barbell bench press. If you are able to correct this imbalance through use of improved form, strength can go up. As for body fat measurement scales, even the expensive ones, they are VERY inaccurate. I would use them only as a guide. I would not trust them as far as determining how much fat vs fat free mass you are losing.

    Thanks for the response! That makes sense and satisfies my curiosity. I am going to continue enjoying my strength gains and fat loss, and try not to get too hung up on details. My goal is just to be healthy. Thanks again!
  • rajanveer
    rajanveer Posts: 19 Member
    Vismal , Thnx so much for the info. Sometimes I doubt myself even if I m walking on the right path but coming from someone like u who has been there, just reinforces it . I m currently doing IF as I am in cutting phase and doing RPT mainly compound movements, got 16lb more to loose any tips from u will be Greatly appreciated. .
  • G33K_G1RL
    G33K_G1RL Posts: 283 Member
    FitRoberta wrote: »
    vismal wrote: »
    FitRoberta wrote: »
    Hi Vismal,

    Love this thread. I have read almost all of it -- very helpful! Thank you so much! I have what I suspect is a dumb question, but here goes :)

    I am currently in weight loss/fat loss mode. My question: If I'm not gaining muscle mass (and perhaps even losing some), why am I getting stronger as I continue lifting weights while I'm losing weight?

    Some info about me: I'm 46yo, female, 5'9", currently about 172 lbs. I have lost 22 lbs. and I have about 28 lbs. to my goal weight. For exercise, I am doing both cardio and weights on different days. Weights are mostly compound exercises with barbell and dumbbells, and some cable machines (e.g., lat pulls).

    It's my understanding that in weight loss/fat loss mode, I won't gain muscle, but I can work at maintaining what I have, or at least minimizing muscle loss. I hope that part is accurate. It seems to be, based on body composition data from getting weighed at my doctor's office every two weeks. For example, after losing 20 lbs. the data from the scale said I had lost 13 lbs. of "fat mass" and 7 lbs. of "fat-free mass". (Btw, I realize that "fat-free mass" isn't just muscle but also bone, water, everything not fat.) I get that I am not going to gain muscle while I'm losing weight, but I'm curious why I'm able to lift/squat heavier and heavier weights, and I figure there must be some logical explanation. Thanks!
    You get stronger for a couple of reasons. The most obvious is muscle gain. While you are correct that normally, while in a deficit, muscle gain is slim to none. If you are a beginner, this isn't necessarily the case. Beginners do gain a bit of muscle while in a deficit. There are also other reasons you gain strength. The next most import reason is you are making neurological adaptations to lifting weights. Strength has a lot to do with your central nervous system responding to the stimuli of weight lifting. In the beginning you can make loads of strength gains through neuro pathways. Finally, your form improving can cause strength gains. For example, a novice lifter might utilize a disproportionate amount of triceps vs chest to do a barbell bench press. If you are able to correct this imbalance through use of improved form, strength can go up. As for body fat measurement scales, even the expensive ones, they are VERY inaccurate. I would use them only as a guide. I would not trust them as far as determining how much fat vs fat free mass you are losing.

    Thanks for the response! That makes sense and satisfies my curiosity. I am going to continue enjoying my strength gains and fat loss, and try not to get too hung up on details. My goal is just to be healthy. Thanks again!

    I'll add another detail. As a beginner you don't use ALL the muscle cells in a muscle to complete a movement. As you train your neurological pathways, your nerves learn to recruit more and more of the muscle cells (called work units) in the same muscle, increasing the force the muscle can generate. Combined with better technique, it makes for fast strength gains :)
  • LalitJethani
    LalitJethani Posts: 2 Member
    Hi, your results are absolutely amazing. Its very impressive. I am almost in the similar state. I weigh 194 Lbs , height 5' 10" and age 29 years. my goal is to built a slim, sculpted and muscular body. should I go for a weight loss phase first ? should I do weight training along with cardio ?
  • mlabelle33
    mlabelle33 Posts: 3 Member
    What I'm having trouble with is binge eating. Has this ever happenned to you and how did you deal with that. Thanks














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    belgerian Posts: 1,059 Member
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  • LadyKT
    LadyKT Posts: 287 Member
    vismal wrote: »
    I don't use the MFP recommended calorie or rate of loss. I prefer to set up my macros using this method:
    Doing it that way you would NOT eat back any exercise calories as they are accounted for already.

    Oh man, thank you for this video! I was trying to figure my macros on the IIFYM site and it was giving me poverty macros - like only 100 carbs a day! This is so much better!!!
  • vismal
    vismal Posts: 2,463 Member
    Hi, your results are absolutely amazing. Its very impressive. I am almost in the similar state. I weigh 194 Lbs , height 5' 10" and age 29 years. my goal is to built a slim, sculpted and muscular body. should I go for a weight loss phase first ? should I do weight training along with cardio ?
    With those stats it's very hard to tell without a picture. If you want to look sculpted and muscular, regardless of what you do first, you absolutely need to lift weights. If have never lifted weights seriously, I'd maybe suggest your first 3-6 months just eating maintenance calories while focusing on lifting. After that you can proceed to a fat loss phase.
    mlabelle33 wrote: »
    What I'm having trouble with is binge eating. Has this ever happenned to you and how did you deal with that. Thanks
    Binge eating was certainly a problem for me. It's how I got as heavy as I was. Once I started counting calories I simply would not let myself eat if I didn't have the calories available for it. It didn't matter how hungry I was, I simply didn't eat if I had no calories left. As time went on, I learned what foods provided the maximum amount of satiation compared to the calories they contain. You can eat quite a bit of vegetables and lean meats for very few calories. I made sure I ate plenty of foods like that every day.
  • happysoul72
    happysoul72 Posts: 7 Member
    vismal wrote: »
    You look great!


    How has getting down to this weight and building up muscle impacting your life? The good and bad of it.
    The good: Feel better physically and emotionally by a degree I cannot put into words. Look better. More confidence. I can climb stairs with feeling like death. I work in health care and no long feel like a hypocrite when I tell my patience about the risk factors associated with obesity. I love being able to pull out old fat picture when someone says something to the effect of "You don't understand because your in shape" or "you don't get it, you've never been fat". I could go on and on in this category.

    The bad: I'm kind of a pain about going out to eat certain places. I don't much like eating food I didn't prepare unless its on my very few and far between free days. Don't get me wrong I eat treats and snacks all the time but I weigh/prepare them myself so I can account for it. I will always feel the need to better myself. When I was fat I didn't care. Sometimes this can be mentally exhausting. But the bads don't even begin to compare to all the goods.
    GOOOD JOB !!! You look amazing and the best part you feel amazing as a person .
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