Build muscle and lose fat at the same time?
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More bro science that it can't be done. It is correct that if you are a body builder and putting on muscle mass that you will also put on some fat.
But if you are "getting in shape", muscle gain and fat loss is absolutely a normal occurrence.
At some point you won't be able to build mass at a calorie deficit but that takes a while.
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More bro science that it can't be done. It is correct that if you are a body builder and putting on muscle mass that you will also put on some fat.
But if you are "getting in shape", muscle gain and fat loss is absolutely a normal occurrence.
At some point you won't be able to build mass at a calorie deficit but that takes a while.
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@Rhyalus - so how much mass are we talking?0 -
I don't have a scientific answer - but from personal experience it is true... recomp is pretty easy in people who are not in shape.
Again, at some point it is not possible to gain one without the other, and I pray I get to that point one day. :-)
Recently I lost a lot of fat and gained muscle - unfortunately I never did a body fat % test first, so I can't give #s.
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I don't have a scientific answer - but from personal experience it is true... recomp is pretty easy in people who are not in shape.
Again, at some point it is not possible to gain one without the other, and I pray I get to that point one day. :-)
Recently I lost a lot of fat and gained muscle - unfortunately I never did a body fat % test first, so I can't give #s.
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I don't think anyone will argue that at the beginning of exercise there is some muscle added while fat loss occurred but it is not a huge amount.
What most people think is muscle building is actually fat loss which exposed unlying muscle, giving a more muscular look.0 -
sunparakeet wrote: »You really can't lose weight and gain weight at the same time. First work on reducing your body fat %, then start building muscle through strength training!
I can't agree more.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant0 -
I gather you can add muscle in a deficit IF that deficit is less than 500 calories.
https://www.t-nation.com/training/5-dumbest-muscle-myths
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DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
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Interesting thread haha0
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How can I do that?
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If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.0
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wanttobefit300 wrote: »If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.
Depends on how much body fat you have, I believe?
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
A simple google search will also give you countless websites telling you how to detox your body with coffee enemas and other crap.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »wanttobefit300 wrote: »If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.
Depends on how much body fat you have, I believe?
Very much, yes. Your body doesn't like wasting precious energy on building more muscles, especially at a deficit. They take more energy to keep up, they are less energy dense as a fuel source, all stuff your body doesn't want in a situation in which it already needs to use up stores just to keep your body running.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »wanttobefit300 wrote: »If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.
Depends on how much body fat you have, I believe?
Very much, yes. Your body doesn't like wasting precious energy on building more muscles, especially at a deficit. They take more energy to keep up, they are less energy dense as a fuel source, all stuff your body doesn't want in a situation in which it already needs to use up stores just to keep your body running.
So if someone has a body fat percentage of 40, they're more likely to build some muscle in a deficit compared to someone who has a 20% body fat?
Granted, it wouldn't be a lot, just a small amount0 -
For the record, I was at a deficit for a year and maintenance for a good part of another year. In that time I gained maybe 5-10 pounds of muscle, and that's a big maybe and I rather think it's on the lower side than the higher one.0
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3dogsrunning wrote: »I don't have a scientific answer - but from personal experience it is true... recomp is pretty easy in people who are not in shape.
Again, at some point it is not possible to gain one without the other, and I pray I get to that point one day. :-)
Recently I lost a lot of fat and gained muscle - unfortunately I never did a body fat % test first, so I can't give #s.
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I don't think anyone will argue that at the beginning of exercise there is some muscle added while fat loss occurred but it is not a huge amount.
What most people think is muscle building is actually fat loss which exposed unlying muscle, giving a more muscular look.
Yup.0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »wanttobefit300 wrote: »If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.
Depends on how much body fat you have, I believe?
Very much, yes. Your body doesn't like wasting precious energy on building more muscles, especially at a deficit. They take more energy to keep up, they are less energy dense as a fuel source, all stuff your body doesn't want in a situation in which it already needs to use up stores just to keep your body running.
So if someone has a body fat percentage of 40, they're more likely to build some muscle in a deficit compared to someone who has a 20% body fat?
Granted, it wouldn't be a lot, just a small amount
I think so. And someone at 10-15% can basically forget it outright.
You need to look at it from the evolutionary aspect. Your body doesn't know you're trying to lose fat on purpose, all it knows is that you're not taking in enough energy to keep your body running as is. The last thing it wants to do in that situation is make you use up even more energy by building more muscle mass.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
A simple google search will also give you countless websites telling you how to detox your body with coffee enemas and other crap.IsaackGMOON wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »wanttobefit300 wrote: »If you lift weights correctly, you will build muscle. If you are eating at a deficit, the necessary energy comes from your stored fat so your fat stores decrease in size and you will look smaller. Now, if the question is will I look like a bodybuilder, then the answer is probably not until long hours of work after losing all the excess weight. Building muscle is not the same thing as body building. When you lift the right amount of weight, you cause tiny tears in your muscle. When these are repaired, the muscle increases in size. It takes time to do this, which is why you don't want to exercise the same muscle groups every day.
Depends on how much body fat you have, I believe?
Very much, yes. Your body doesn't like wasting precious energy on building more muscles, especially at a deficit. They take more energy to keep up, they are less energy dense as a fuel source, all stuff your body doesn't want in a situation in which it already needs to use up stores just to keep your body running.
So if someone has a body fat percentage of 40, they're more likely to build some muscle in a deficit compared to someone who has a 20% body fat?
Granted, it wouldn't be a lot, just a small amount
Yes. "Overfat" people (using Lyle Mcdonald's words) can build muscle in a deficit. From the anecdotal info I've seen, re comping at a higher body fat is also easier than at a lower body fat %. I'm talking about 26-30ish % for a woman so in an average to high average range, not obese range.0 -
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My body fat is 24% and I don't want to lose that much fat. Maybe just drop a pants size or two. I'm not looking to become a body builder. I just want a more tone look. So if I do cardio and strength training and eat 1200-1400 calories a day will that help me reach my goal?0
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My body fat is 24% and I don't want to lose that much fat. Maybe just drop a pants size or two. I'm not looking to become a body builder. I just want a more tone look. So if I do cardio and strength training and eat 1200-1400 calories a day will that help me reach my goal?
Are you male or female?
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My body fat is 24% and I don't want to lose that much fat. Maybe just drop a pants size or two. I'm not looking to become a body builder. I just want a more tone look. So if I do cardio and strength training and eat 1200-1400 calories a day will that help me reach my goal?
Assuming 1200-1400 calories puts you in an overall caloric deficit or at maintenence, yes.0 -
I'm a female and 1200-1400 is a calorie deficit for me0
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My body fat is 24% and I don't want to lose that much fat. Maybe just drop a pants size or two. I'm not looking to become a body builder. I just want a more tone look. So if I do cardio and strength training and eat 1200-1400 calories a day will that help me reach my goal?
Remember that weight lifting isn't just for bodybuilders and 22 year old guys who want to get all beefy. It's good for everyone. Even if you don't want bigger muscles, it's good for your bones, etc. I certainly don't want bigger muscles and I do it.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
A simple google search will also give you countless websites telling you how to detox your body with coffee enemas and other crap.
And coffee enemas relates to the topic how?
Not even a "nice try".
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3dogsrunning wrote: »I don't have a scientific answer - but from personal experience it is true... recomp is pretty easy in people who are not in shape.
Again, at some point it is not possible to gain one without the other, and I pray I get to that point one day. :-)
Recently I lost a lot of fat and gained muscle - unfortunately I never did a body fat % test first, so I can't give #s.
R
I don't think anyone will argue that at the beginning of exercise there is some muscle added while fat loss occurred but it is not a huge amount.
What most people think is muscle building is actually fat loss which exposed unlying muscle, giving a more muscular look.
Or they confuse strength gains with muscle gains. Quite a bit of strength gains in the beginning are due to CNS activation (i.e. your central nervous system activating more of your existing muscle) not actual muscle synthesis/gain.
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stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
A simple google search will also give you countless websites telling you how to detox your body with coffee enemas and other crap.
And coffee enemas relates to the topic how?
Not even a "nice try".
How? Google it.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?IsaackGMOON wrote: »DeguelloTex wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
you gained 4.2lb of muscle in 1 month, or just between your bod pod analysis dates?lemurcat12 wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
Wait, isn't that an overall gain? What makes you think you were in a deficit?3dogsrunning wrote: »rsergeant79 wrote: »I managed to gain 1.5 kg of muscle in 2 weeks while losing 3 kg if fat - it is possible to do both
Agreed. I just did my monthly bod pod.
Lost 2.8 lbs fat but gained 4.2 lbs LBM
It can be done in a deficit
LBM isn't just muscle.
Yes the results were for a 1 month period and it was an overall gain in weight.
LBM is everything NOT bodyfat, and thats what I said the increase was LBM.
The OP's question was, is it possible and yes it is.
What "makes me think" I am eating at a deficit? Really. Stick to topic.
Maybe he was blood doping?
Put 4lb's of blood into his body amirite?
rite guys??
rite?
Nutritional periodization, cyclical dieting. It is "possible", which was the question. Is it likely the average joe will replicate "my" results? No, everyone is DIFFERENT, genetics, diet composition.
Care to post any scientific studies stating its not possible?
You cant
And I can't find any evidence on the world being run by lizard people either... weird.
Thought so.
A simple google search will give you countless websites itemizing the criteria that losing fat and gaining muscle or LBM can happen.
If you wish to speculate about my results we can continue this convo elsewhere.
A simple google search will also give you countless websites telling you how to detox your body with coffee enemas and other crap.
And coffee enemas relates to the topic how?
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