Sugar-Free September
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
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CostaRica120 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
No, actually, that's not what I'm saying. Are you saying that what we eat couldn't possibly have any bearing on how we feel?
that question was directed at another poster who asked me a question.
what I am saying is that how anyone feels is highly subjective. If you think that sugar is bad and then restrict it well then of course you are going to think that you feel better, because you have convinced yourself that sugar is bad. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. So feelings is not a good measure of whether food is good or bad for you. No food is bad for you in the context of an overall diet that is meeting micro/macro/calorie needs. So, I will stick to science over "dem feelz"0 -
CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
Nope
I (nearly) eliminated my consumption of ADDED sugars and personally have experienced some awesome benefits. It might be something others wish to try, and those are the people I'm asking to join for support.
you realize that there is no difference between added sugar and natural sugar, so what you are experiencing is a placebo effect then, right?
From my research this isn't entirely true. Although the sugars are the same, there are differences in absorption. All that fiber in fruit/veg slows things down, for one thing. Then there's the effects on blood sugar which can in turn have effects on other processes. The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.0 -
CostaRica120 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
No, actually, that's not what I'm saying. Are you saying that what we eat couldn't possibly have any bearing on how we feel?
that question was directed at another poster who asked me a question.
what I am saying is that how anyone feels is highly subjective. If you think that sugar is bad and then restrict it well then of course you are going to think that you feel better, because you have convinced yourself that sugar is bad. It becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. So feelings is not a good measure of whether food is good or bad for you. No food is bad for you in the context of an overall diet that is meeting micro/macro/calorie needs. So, I will stick to science over "dem feelz"
I don't think sugar is inherently bad, so don't worry! I'm not anti-sugar. Reducing my added sugar intake is having positive effects...helping me stick to my cal goals, greatly reducing cravings, and yes, making me feel good.
"dem feelz" are a health outcome in and of themselves I'm an epidemiologist, so I'm a fan of science, too! 0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/151235030 -
CostaRica120 wrote: »Yeah, totally illustrates how different things work for different people!
You said, "my feeling is that having a NO whatever goal and then telling yourself it's okay not to be perfect ends up making a lot of people feel like failures."
This actually is exactly what seems to work for me for some reason. It doesn't make me feel like a failure whereas setting a strict all the time goal would do just that since there's no way I can stick to anything 100% of the time.
Interesting, but I'm wondering if here I was misunderstanding you. I perceived you as saying that it worked for you to have a goal of (say) no sugar ever, but that you were cool with simply eating a little, kind of like people who say "I eat clean" (not getting into the confusion over what "clean" means) and then break their own rules but are okay with just mostly doing it. I find that confusing and it would make me miserable, as if I say "no added sugar" or "no packaged foods" I have to do it 100% or at least try really really hard to (so that I feel like I messed up and unnecessarily bad if I eat whatever it is). Maybe this is because my entry into the cutting things out was Lent and (for me anyway) it is very much a 100% compliance requirement. Or just because I do have perfectionist tendencies. ;-)
If you were saying it works for you to say "I want no more than 5% of my calories to come from added sugar," that's more similar to how I think about it (although I still focus more on the foods I want to eat and just let them crowd out all but what I think are a reasonable portion of "treats"). I just could never describe that as cutting out sugar, since it would bug me that it wasn't strictly true.
For cutting way down on sugar, I did cut out added sugar for a limited period of time, but then I simply decided I was eating an overall nutrient dense diet and what the sensible consumption of added sugar that would fit in that was, to me, and I keep to those general rules without becoming all or nothing about it or feeling like I failed if I eat ice cream.I'm like an anti-perfectionist so this approach works for me. Along the same lines, I do better with setting a low calorie "limit" and going over it every day than I do with setting a higher calorie goal.
Saying I'm quitting sugar is just easier than saying I'm quitting sugar 98% of the time. People curious about the added/natural/fruit/veg/bread/carb/stevia/blahblah can join the group and learn/decide for themselves what works!
Yeah, this is definitely a difference -- I'd be miserable if I went over my goal all the time. When I'm seriously focusing on a goal like that it has to be a reasonable one that I can make, and then I make it obsessively. If I start giving myself excuses to go over (not saying that's what you are doing -- personality differences at play), I start feeling like I'm failing and bad at this and have trouble with motivation.0 -
CostaRica120 wrote: »The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
I agree with you here. What I think is wrong (although I do distinguish between added and intrinsic sugars myself) is to decide that added sugar is always bad so that, say, if someone makes a rhubarb sauce to put on pork and adds a bit of sugar (since it has less natural sweetness), that that's vastly different than adding some dried cherries or than making an apple sauce instead (with no added sugar but possibly more overall sugar).
Most foods aren't eaten alone, and their effect depends on everything eaten with them, some of which may have lots of protein or fiber.
Added sugar is commonly found in some foods which are eaten on their own, though, like soda or candy (in that my understanding is that fat doesn't always make much difference in the effect of the sugar in the way fiber does).
What seems unfair is that people blame sugar for why these foods (say candy bars or cookies or cake) are high cal, but quite often the calories are as much or almost as much due to the fat.
I realize this has nothing to do with your post or your plan (which I think is a good one for you, from what you've said, not that my opinion matters) ;-), but I'm explaining why I think people get weird about some of the sugar stuff. It's a reaction to the fundamentalist idea that added sugar=the problem, period.
(Although personally I'm more bothered by all the posts recently suggesting that fruit is bad for us.)0 -
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
I don't understand why food is any different. Even if you don't want to eat a certain food as part of your regular diet, there is no reason to feel bad if you have it once in a while. If you do feel bad, that probably means you are assigning some moral value to food...which is not a healthy thing to do. I don't do that, so I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.
Your post is full of words like liar and cheat...you wrote that phrase several times. It really seems to me like you are making some moral judgments where there should be none. I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with how other people describe their eating habits. Just do what you you like, describe it however you like, and let other people do the same.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.
Your post is full of words like liar and cheat...you wrote that phrase several times. It really seems to me like you are making some moral judgments where there should be none. I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with how other people describe their eating habits. Just do what you you like, describe it however you like, and let other people do the same.
I am NOT saying here that I have a problem with it. I'm exploring why others find one approach appealing that would be really counterproductive for me in an effort to better understand. I don't moralize about food choices, but for me there is a certain moral failure in having a goal or plan and not sticking with it or making a promise to myself and not complying with it. Worse, I think when people "cheat," it often teaches them that it's okay not to follow though on something, which is why I don't plan to exercise every day. Beyond that, I definitely think there's a moral component to being truthful such that I would NEVER say that I didn't eat meat if I sometimes do. (Yes, I know that part of it sounds judgmental -- I'm partly trying to understand so I can get past that.)
As for why I care: I think there are more people who find it helpful to work on eating nutrient-focused diets than who would describe their goal as 100% clean (meaning nothing "processed," like cottage cheese or dried pasta) or than who would say they intended to give up added sugar completely. Why say that having a lofty goal you won't meet (by your own admission) and which is not actually necessary for a healthy diet is a better or more nutrition conscious way to approach it than simply saying "I try to eat an overall healthy diet focused on whole and nutrient dense foods, but don't cut anything out." Wouldn't it make sense for both groups to be able to work together, without explicitly excluding those who don't want to claim a lofty goal (whether "clean eating" or "no sugar") but tend to have similar goals for how they actually eat?
OP seemed to be recognizing this in how she framed her group, so I was just explaining why even that modified approach would be a problem for people like me.
Obviously, I don't expect anyone to care, and I know you don't (you so love to jump in and tell me that I annoy you!), but I did think there might be some interested in the general issue of how people think differently about these things, about how to frame what a healthy diet is or how best to help themselves stick with it over time, which does interest me on a meta level, as well as a practical one.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?0 -
CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
Nope I (nearly) eliminated my consumption of ADDED sugars and personally have experienced some awesome benefits. It might be something others wish to try, and those are the people I'm asking to join for support.
you realize that there is no difference between added sugar and natural sugar, so what you are experiencing is a placebo effect then, right?
From my research this isn't entirely true. Although the sugars are the same, there are differences in absorption. All that fiber in fruit/veg slows things down, for one thing. Then there's the effects on blood sugar which can in turn have effects on other processes. The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
actually, 100 calories of a heresies = 100 calories of carrot from an energy perspective; however, they are not the same nutritionally.
sorry, but fruit sugar = added sugar, fiber has nothing to do with it. Please explain how fruit sugar would be treated differently than just sugar. I am just talking about the actual sugar molecule.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
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lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.
Your post is full of words like liar and cheat...you wrote that phrase several times. It really seems to me like you are making some moral judgments where there should be none. I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with how other people describe their eating habits. Just do what you you like, describe it however you like, and let other people do the same.
I am NOT saying here that I have a problem with it. I'm exploring why others find one approach appealing that would be really counterproductive for me in an effort to better understand. I don't moralize about food choices, but for me there is a certain moral failure in having a goal or plan and not sticking with it or making a promise to myself and not complying with it. Worse, I think when people "cheat," it often teaches them that it's okay not to follow though on something, which is why I don't plan to exercise every day. Beyond that, I definitely think there's a moral component to being truthful such that I would NEVER say that I didn't eat meat if I sometimes do. (Yes, I know that part of it sounds judgmental -- I'm partly trying to understand so I can get past that.)
As for why I care: I think there are more people who find it helpful to work on eating nutrient-focused diets than who would describe their goal as 100% clean (meaning nothing "processed," like cottage cheese or dried pasta) or than who would say they intended to give up added sugar completely. Why say that having a lofty goal you won't meet (by your own admission) and which is not actually necessary for a healthy diet is a better or more nutrition conscious way to approach it than simply saying "I try to eat an overall healthy diet focused on whole and nutrient dense foods, but don't cut anything out." Wouldn't it make sense for both groups to be able to work together, without explicitly excluding those who don't want to claim a lofty goal (whether "clean eating" or "no sugar") but tend to have similar goals for how they actually eat?
OP seemed to be recognizing this in how she framed her group, so I was just explaining why even that modified approach would be a problem for people like me.
Obviously, I don't expect anyone to care, and I know you don't (you so love to jump in and tell me that I annoy you!), but I did think there might be some interested in the general issue of how people think differently about these things, about how to frame what a healthy diet is or how best to help themselves stick with it over time, which does interest me on a meta level, as well as a practical one.
It very much seems to me you DO have a problem with it. You constantly write posts obsessing over the word choices other people use to describe THEIR diets. And again...in this post alone you write: moral failure, moral component, cheat, etc. And I do not love to jump in and tell you that you annoy me. I have no clue where you get that idea. It looks like perhaps you are overly sensitive, assign moral value to diet, and imagine that others are judging you when really you are the only one judging you.0 -
MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.
Your post is full of words like liar and cheat...you wrote that phrase several times. It really seems to me like you are making some moral judgments where there should be none. I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with how other people describe their eating habits. Just do what you you like, describe it however you like, and let other people do the same.
I am NOT saying here that I have a problem with it. I'm exploring why others find one approach appealing that would be really counterproductive for me in an effort to better understand. I don't moralize about food choices, but for me there is a certain moral failure in having a goal or plan and not sticking with it or making a promise to myself and not complying with it. Worse, I think when people "cheat," it often teaches them that it's okay not to follow though on something, which is why I don't plan to exercise every day. Beyond that, I definitely think there's a moral component to being truthful such that I would NEVER say that I didn't eat meat if I sometimes do. (Yes, I know that part of it sounds judgmental -- I'm partly trying to understand so I can get past that.)
As for why I care: I think there are more people who find it helpful to work on eating nutrient-focused diets than who would describe their goal as 100% clean (meaning nothing "processed," like cottage cheese or dried pasta) or than who would say they intended to give up added sugar completely. Why say that having a lofty goal you won't meet (by your own admission) and which is not actually necessary for a healthy diet is a better or more nutrition conscious way to approach it than simply saying "I try to eat an overall healthy diet focused on whole and nutrient dense foods, but don't cut anything out." Wouldn't it make sense for both groups to be able to work together, without explicitly excluding those who don't want to claim a lofty goal (whether "clean eating" or "no sugar") but tend to have similar goals for how they actually eat?
OP seemed to be recognizing this in how she framed her group, so I was just explaining why even that modified approach would be a problem for people like me.
Obviously, I don't expect anyone to care, and I know you don't (you so love to jump in and tell me that I annoy you!), but I did think there might be some interested in the general issue of how people think differently about these things, about how to frame what a healthy diet is or how best to help themselves stick with it over time, which does interest me on a meta level, as well as a practical one.
It very much seems to me you DO have a problem with it. You constantly write posts obsessing over the word choices other people use to describe THEIR diets. And again...in this post alone you write: moral failure, moral component, cheat, etc. And I do not love to jump in and tell you that you annoy me. I have no clue where you get that idea. It looks like perhaps you are overly sensitive, assign moral value to diet, and imagine that others are judging you when really you are the only one judging you.
Because you jumped on my post here, accused me of being judgmental toward OP when I was explicitly not -- it seems to bother you that I said her approach was great for her but would not work for me and likely others who think like me -- and are trying to start an argument with me based on discussions in other threads. If that's how you wish to engage I don't think it's productive and I will not continue it here. If you want to start a new thread where this argument is on topic, I'll participate.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
not my job...you made the claim, you find the full study ...
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CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
Nope I (nearly) eliminated my consumption of ADDED sugars and personally have experienced some awesome benefits. It might be something others wish to try, and those are the people I'm asking to join for support.
you realize that there is no difference between added sugar and natural sugar, so what you are experiencing is a placebo effect then, right?
From my research this isn't entirely true. Although the sugars are the same, there are differences in absorption. All that fiber in fruit/veg slows things down, for one thing. Then there's the effects on blood sugar which can in turn have effects on other processes. The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
actually, 100 calories of a heresies = 100 calories of carrot from an energy perspective; however, they are not the same nutritionally.
sorry, but fruit sugar = added sugar, fiber has nothing to do with it. Please explain how fruit sugar would be treated differently than just sugar. I am just talking about the actual sugar molecule.
I honestly don't even know what you're really trying to get at. Is 1 gram of added fructose from soda the same as 1 gram of naturally occurring fructose in an apple? Sure. But an apple has a whole lot less fructose. It also has fewer calories. The lb of feathers vs lb of gold isn't the point. My point of quitting added sugars is to reduce my overall consumption of sugar (not to just substitute it with naturally occurring sugars gram for gram).
And why wouldn't fiber have anything to do with it? The fiber in an apple slows down the absorption of that sugar, which keeps blood sugar steady, which keeps cravings in check. And I feel that I've really experienced that in my study of N=1...whereas while I'm eating foods with more added sugars, I find I spend a lot of time battling cravings. Since giving up foods containing added sugars, my cravings are in check. Avoiding added sugars helps me avoid high cal foods in general and helps guide me in making better food choices throughout the day and I've personally found it a lot easier to stick to my goals. If you're already making awesome food choices and don't battle cravings, that's totally cool, and you might not experience the same benefits I have. You do you 0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
I agree with you here. What I think is wrong (although I do distinguish between added and intrinsic sugars myself) is to decide that added sugar is always bad so that, say, if someone makes a rhubarb sauce to put on pork and adds a bit of sugar (since it has less natural sweetness), that that's vastly different than adding some dried cherries or than making an apple sauce instead (with no added sugar but possibly more overall sugar).
Most foods aren't eaten alone, and their effect depends on everything eaten with them, some of which may have lots of protein or fiber.
Added sugar is commonly found in some foods which are eaten on their own, though, like soda or candy (in that my understanding is that fat doesn't always make much difference in the effect of the sugar in the way fiber does).
What seems unfair is that people blame sugar for why these foods (say candy bars or cookies or cake) are high cal, but quite often the calories are as much or almost as much due to the fat.
I realize this has nothing to do with your post or your plan (which I think is a good one for you, from what you've said, not that my opinion matters) ;-), but I'm explaining why I think people get weird about some of the sugar stuff. It's a reaction to the fundamentalist idea that added sugar=the problem, period.
(Although personally I'm more bothered by all the posts recently suggesting that fruit is bad for us.)
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lemurcat12 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Yeah, totally illustrates how different things work for different people!
You said, "my feeling is that having a NO whatever goal and then telling yourself it's okay not to be perfect ends up making a lot of people feel like failures."
This actually is exactly what seems to work for me for some reason. It doesn't make me feel like a failure whereas setting a strict all the time goal would do just that since there's no way I can stick to anything 100% of the time.
Interesting, but I'm wondering if here I was misunderstanding you. I perceived you as saying that it worked for you to have a goal of (say) no sugar ever, but that you were cool with simply eating a little, kind of like people who say "I eat clean" (not getting into the confusion over what "clean" means) and then break their own rules but are okay with just mostly doing it. I find that confusing and it would make me miserable, as if I say "no added sugar" or "no packaged foods" I have to do it 100% or at least try really really hard to (so that I feel like I messed up and unnecessarily bad if I eat whatever it is). Maybe this is because my entry into the cutting things out was Lent and (for me anyway) it is very much a 100% compliance requirement. Or just because I do have perfectionist tendencies. ;-)
If you were saying it works for you to say "I want no more than 5% of my calories to come from added sugar," that's more similar to how I think about it (although I still focus more on the foods I want to eat and just let them crowd out all but what I think are a reasonable portion of "treats"). I just could never describe that as cutting out sugar, since it would bug me that it wasn't strictly true.
Yeah, we're just different. You're not misunderstanding me...I just honestly am not bothered by not having 100% compliance. Maybe my approach is a little more "aim for the moon, and fall among the stars"? The 5% thing wouldn't even work for me because then what do I do when 6% is added sugar? Feel bad? Why would that make me feel better than "failing" at a 0% goal. (I wouldn't feel bad about either)
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Seriously, you should try to relax, not be so defensive, and not take everything personally.lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »MoiAussi93 wrote: »
Because most people realize it is what you do most of the time that really matters, not what you do every once in a while. The habit is much more important than the exceptions.lemurcat12 wrote: »I realize that this is to some extent a difference between people, since many people say "I don't eat whatever, but only 80% of the time" or "I do paleo, but 80%" and that always confuses me -- I'm like if you have decided it's the thing to do, why not all the time?
Anyway, just my thoughts. Enjoy.
Oh, I totally agree. That's why I prefer the moderation approach myself, and actually why I jumped in here to say I'd had the same positive effects OP posted about by merely improving my diet overall and reducing my consumption of some things while increasing my consumption of some others.
But as we've discussed before, I don't know why I would then claim to have given up cake or whatever when in fact I just almost never eat it, but have no rule against it. For me, "giving up cake" would make me feel like a liar and a cheat if I then broke the self-imposed rule and had a sliver at a party once a year (which is about what I do, since cake is not really worth the calories to me ever).For example, everybody agrees exercise is good for you. Yet the majority of people who exercise don't exercise every single day, and most don't feel guilty at all about spending an entire day on occasion just relaxing on the sofa with some good movies and not moving any further than is required to refill their drink.
Sure, but I'd never say I exercise every day when of course I do not.I don't see the problem with people saying they eat a certain way most of the time but make exceptions.
Nor do I. I eat a healthy diet most of the time, but some days are exceptions. (So it's still true that I eat an overall healthy diet.)
But if I said "I don't eat meat" (something I've toyed with doing from time to time and have done for Lent many times), I'd consider it a huge deal if I then ate meat, and that is how all the vegetarians I know approach it. If I told people I don't eat meat when really I try to eat it only once or twice a week, for one meal, I'd consider myself a liar.
I am NOT saying anyone else is a liar -- they have different ways of thinking about it -- but for me it just doesn't make sense and feels wrong and confusing. Why claim to be following a restriction that you don't actually plan to follow?
Anyway, this is not directed at OP, and I don't want to derail her thread, so maybe we should start our own.
Your post is full of words like liar and cheat...you wrote that phrase several times. It really seems to me like you are making some moral judgments where there should be none. I honestly don't see why you have such a problem with how other people describe their eating habits. Just do what you you like, describe it however you like, and let other people do the same.
I am NOT saying here that I have a problem with it. I'm exploring why others find one approach appealing that would be really counterproductive for me in an effort to better understand. I don't moralize about food choices, but for me there is a certain moral failure in having a goal or plan and not sticking with it or making a promise to myself and not complying with it. Worse, I think when people "cheat," it often teaches them that it's okay not to follow though on something, which is why I don't plan to exercise every day. Beyond that, I definitely think there's a moral component to being truthful such that I would NEVER say that I didn't eat meat if I sometimes do. (Yes, I know that part of it sounds judgmental -- I'm partly trying to understand so I can get past that.)
As for why I care: I think there are more people who find it helpful to work on eating nutrient-focused diets than who would describe their goal as 100% clean (meaning nothing "processed," like cottage cheese or dried pasta) or than who would say they intended to give up added sugar completely. Why say that having a lofty goal you won't meet (by your own admission) and which is not actually necessary for a healthy diet is a better or more nutrition conscious way to approach it than simply saying "I try to eat an overall healthy diet focused on whole and nutrient dense foods, but don't cut anything out." Wouldn't it make sense for both groups to be able to work together, without explicitly excluding those who don't want to claim a lofty goal (whether "clean eating" or "no sugar") but tend to have similar goals for how they actually eat?
OP seemed to be recognizing this in how she framed her group, so I was just explaining why even that modified approach would be a problem for people like me.
Obviously, I don't expect anyone to care, and I know you don't (you so love to jump in and tell me that I annoy you!), but I did think there might be some interested in the general issue of how people think differently about these things, about how to frame what a healthy diet is or how best to help themselves stick with it over time, which does interest me on a meta level, as well as a practical one.
It very much seems to me you DO have a problem with it. You constantly write posts obsessing over the word choices other people use to describe THEIR diets. And again...in this post alone you write: moral failure, moral component, cheat, etc. And I do not love to jump in and tell you that you annoy me. I have no clue where you get that idea. It looks like perhaps you are overly sensitive, assign moral value to diet, and imagine that others are judging you when really you are the only one judging you.
Because you jumped on my post here, accused me of being judgmental toward OP when I was explicitly not -- it seems to bother you that I said her approach was great for her but would not work for me and likely others who think like me -- and are trying to start an argument with me based on discussions in other threads. If that's how you wish to engage I don't think it's productive and I will not continue it here. If you want to start a new thread where this argument is on topic, I'll participate.
I said that YOU were the only person judging YOU...and I only said that because you have gone on...at great length...about how you would consider not hitting your goal 100% a "moral failure". It's that type of thinking that leads many people to not stick with healthy habits. I'm not sure why you're trying to turn this into an argument, but perhaps it's better that we just let this die here.
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
not my job...you made the claim, you find the full study ...
Nice try but I didn't make the claim???
You bought up depression - my comment was possibly'?'
I care neither way! if we never find out I'm not sure I will lose sleep!
My original comment was aimed at your belief that all other humans on the planet respond the same way to things as you and you seemed surprised when that isn't the case!
It must be nice to have such a two dimensional view of things!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
not my job...you made the claim, you find the full study ...
Nice try but I didn't make the claim???
You bought up depression - my comment was possibly'?'
I care neither way! if we never find out I'm not sure I will lose sleep!
My original comment was aimed at your belief that all other humans on the plant respond the same way to things as you and you seemed surprised when that isn't the case!
It must be nice to have such a two dimensional view of things!
Nope, I never connected sugar to depression, but thanks for playing.
I never said anything about humans in the plant...are you reading the same thread? What humans live on a plant???0 -
New Dr. Seuss book. Humans that live on a plant.0
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CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
Nope I (nearly) eliminated my consumption of ADDED sugars and personally have experienced some awesome benefits. It might be something others wish to try, and those are the people I'm asking to join for support.
you realize that there is no difference between added sugar and natural sugar, so what you are experiencing is a placebo effect then, right?
From my research this isn't entirely true. Although the sugars are the same, there are differences in absorption. All that fiber in fruit/veg slows things down, for one thing. Then there's the effects on blood sugar which can in turn have effects on other processes. The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
actually, 100 calories of a heresies = 100 calories of carrot from an energy perspective; however, they are not the same nutritionally.
sorry, but fruit sugar = added sugar, fiber has nothing to do with it. Please explain how fruit sugar would be treated differently than just sugar. I am just talking about the actual sugar molecule.
I honestly don't even know what you're really trying to get at. Is 1 gram of added fructose from soda the same as 1 gram of naturally occurring fructose in an apple? Sure. But an apple has a whole lot less fructose. It also has fewer calories. The lb of feathers vs lb of gold isn't the point. My point of quitting added sugars is to reduce my overall consumption of sugar (not to just substitute it with naturally occurring sugars gram for gram).
And why wouldn't fiber have anything to do with it? The fiber in an apple slows down the absorption of that sugar, which keeps blood sugar steady, which keeps cravings in check. And I feel that I've really experienced that in my study of N=1...whereas while I'm eating foods with more added sugars, I find I spend a lot of time battling cravings. Since giving up foods containing added sugars, my cravings are in check. Avoiding added sugars helps me avoid high cal foods in general and helps guide me in making better food choices throughout the day and I've personally found it a lot easier to stick to my goals. If you're already making awesome food choices and don't battle cravings, that's totally cool, and you might not experience the same benefits I have. You do you
Does it though? 100 g of apples has about 13 grams of sugars, more than half of which are free fructose and a bit more bonded as sucrose. 100 g of soda has about 10-11 grams of sugars, exactly half of which are fructose bonded as sucrose. When it's HFCS it's not much more.0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
not my job...you made the claim, you find the full study ...
Nice try but I didn't make the claim???
You bought up depression - my comment was possibly'?'
I care neither way! if we never find out I'm not sure I will lose sleep!
My original comment was aimed at your belief that all other humans on the plant respond the same way to things as you and you seemed surprised when that isn't the case!
It must be nice to have such a two dimensional view of things!
Nope, I never connected sugar to depression, but thanks for playing.
I never said anything about humans in the plant...are you reading the same thread? What humans live on a plant???
Yep spelling mistake (I'm the plant)!
But you bought up depression - not me dude!
Let's move on from it, doesn't sound as though either of us are that interested in the outcome!
And for the record - lots of people live on plants!!!
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tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »tennisdude2004 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
What's strange about that - are you suggesting you should have identical reactions to everything as every other person?
so sugar causes depression now, is that what you are saying?
Possibly?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15123503
full study..?
It's gotta be out there somewhere - ping us a link when you find it!
not my job...you made the claim, you find the full study ...
Nice try but I didn't make the claim???
You bought up depression - my comment was possibly'?'
I care neither way! if we never find out I'm not sure I will lose sleep!
My original comment was aimed at your belief that all other humans on the plant respond the same way to things as you and you seemed surprised when that isn't the case!
It must be nice to have such a two dimensional view of things!
Nope, I never connected sugar to depression, but thanks for playing.
I never said anything about humans in the plant...are you reading the same thread? What humans live on a plant???
Yep spelling mistake (I'm the plant)!
But you bought up depression - not me dude!
Let's move on from it, doesn't sound as though either of us are that interested in the outcome!
And for the record - lots of people live on plants!!!
you can keep repeating yourself but I never made that connection, I simply asked the question because you questioned my response to the OP. You then posted some random study about sugar and mental health.
Go back and very slowly read the whole thread and maybe you will figure it out.
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stevencloser wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »CostaRica120 wrote: »Sugar-free September has been an awesome experience for me. I'm more energetic (I quit hitting snooze every morning!) and I wake up feeling happy every day! The biggest impact of quitting sugar has definitely been on my emotions. No ups and downs, I'm just consistently happy. I noticed this last year, and am now convinced that giving up sugar has something to do with it.
I've also lost 5 pounds and fit into my skinny jeans for the first time in years! Quitting sugar has made it A LOT easier to stick to my calorie goals.
Because I'm having so much success, I'm going to keep going! I looooove sweets and treats and I'm not feeling deprived, so if I can do it, you can do it!
Anyone else want to give quitting sugar a try? My motto is "progress, not perfection", so you don't even need to quit 100% and you can modify the rules to suit your needs and goals.
Find and join the group here: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/108488-quitting-sugar
hmmm strange, I eat sugar and have none of those issues..
so you ate no fruit for the entire month of September, or vegetables, or bread?
Nope I (nearly) eliminated my consumption of ADDED sugars and personally have experienced some awesome benefits. It might be something others wish to try, and those are the people I'm asking to join for support.
you realize that there is no difference between added sugar and natural sugar, so what you are experiencing is a placebo effect then, right?
From my research this isn't entirely true. Although the sugars are the same, there are differences in absorption. All that fiber in fruit/veg slows things down, for one thing. Then there's the effects on blood sugar which can in turn have effects on other processes. The body is complex, so I think it's a little silly to think our body treats a candy bar and a carrot in exactly the same way.
actually, 100 calories of a heresies = 100 calories of carrot from an energy perspective; however, they are not the same nutritionally.
sorry, but fruit sugar = added sugar, fiber has nothing to do with it. Please explain how fruit sugar would be treated differently than just sugar. I am just talking about the actual sugar molecule.
I honestly don't even know what you're really trying to get at. Is 1 gram of added fructose from soda the same as 1 gram of naturally occurring fructose in an apple? Sure. But an apple has a whole lot less fructose. It also has fewer calories. The lb of feathers vs lb of gold isn't the point. My point of quitting added sugars is to reduce my overall consumption of sugar (not to just substitute it with naturally occurring sugars gram for gram).
And why wouldn't fiber have anything to do with it? The fiber in an apple slows down the absorption of that sugar, which keeps blood sugar steady, which keeps cravings in check. And I feel that I've really experienced that in my study of N=1...whereas while I'm eating foods with more added sugars, I find I spend a lot of time battling cravings. Since giving up foods containing added sugars, my cravings are in check. Avoiding added sugars helps me avoid high cal foods in general and helps guide me in making better food choices throughout the day and I've personally found it a lot easier to stick to my goals. If you're already making awesome food choices and don't battle cravings, that's totally cool, and you might not experience the same benefits I have. You do you
Does it though? 100 g of apples has about 13 grams of sugars, more than half of which are free fructose and a bit more bonded as sucrose. 100 g of soda has about 10-11 grams of sugars, exactly half of which are fructose bonded as sucrose. When it's HFCS it's not much more.
Yes. 1g=1g. Gotcha. See my point re.: feathers and gold?
Clearly cutting out added sugars and replacing them 1-for-1 with natural sugars isn't the point.0
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