Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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tell us how it was discovered..lol. pesticides anyone..lol. troll.1
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My credentials: BA chemistry, PhD physical chemistry (ABD), 20+ years work as a professional chemist, member of AAAS, ACS, lapsed member of the Biophysical Society and Iota Sigma Pi. Primary research intersections in biochemistry, molecular biology, metabolism, and oncology.
There is no "conflicting" scientific information on artificial sweeteners. The American Chemical Society put together a nice presentation on this that was picked up by PBS this summer.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/aspartame-isnt-bad-says-chemistry/
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Science in a lab is science indeed if all variables are controlled.
Artificial sweeteners once dumped into a human body may give different results from person to person because first all possible variables are not knowable. Second one can not control the unknown.
Two weeks ago was the first time in one year I had with knowledge eaten more than 50 grams of carbs in one day. I have eaten no form of grain with knowledge for the last year. My objective was to manage my arthritis pain by diet to avoid the risks of starting Enbrel injections. In 30 days after leaving most all carbs cold turkey my subjective pain level fell from 7-8 to 2-3 on a 1-10 scale so I stayed with my new way of eating.
A couple weeks ago I was on a road trip and was reading Wheat Belly Total Health (2014). In it William Davis MD makes a case it is not the sugar that we get addicted to but it is some of the proteins in grains that can wreck the health of some people. I wanted to do a study of one to see what would happen if after a year I added back some sugar.
My daughter was doing most of the driving and since she recently got a job with the local Culver's restaurant we stopped at 7 others between KY and Canada. I ate some custard several times and one day I ate three oranges the same day. The world did not stop turning and my pain did not go wild.
I did try diet root beer one day on the road and while I liked it there was an after taste. The next day I tried it again and after two sips I poured it out because I did not like the feeling I was getting. While that is all subjective I later found the drink had aspartame in it.
If one throws a headache over and over, stomach ache, etc after any food or artificial sweetener then there is a problem with what they put into their stomachs in their cases period.
There are more unknowns than knowns with it comes to humans and diet and that is not going to change soon I expect. My science background was gained in the process of earning my OD degree 30 years ago and reading ongoing medical research and the wild wild web like this forum.
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If it does not naturally exist here on this planet, It will not go into my body.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Science in a lab is science indeed if all variables are controlled.
Artificial sweeteners once dumped into a human body may give different results from person to person because first all possible variables are not knowable. Second one can not control the unknown.
Two weeks ago was the first time in one year I had with knowledge eaten more than 50 grams of carbs in one day. I have eaten no form of grain with knowledge for the last year. My objective was to manage my arthritis pain by diet to avoid the risks of starting Enbrel injections. In 30 days after leaving most all carbs cold turkey my subjective pain level fell from 7-8 to 2-3 on a 1-10 scale so I stayed with my new way of eating.
A couple weeks ago I was on a road trip and was reading Wheat Belly Total Health (2014). In it William Davis MD makes a case it is not the sugar that we get addicted to but it is some of the proteins in grains that can wreck the health of some people. I wanted to do a study of one to see what would happen if after a year I added back some sugar.
My daughter was doing most of the driving and since she recently got a job with the local Culver's restaurant we stopped at 7 others between KY and Canada. I ate some custard several times and one day I ate three oranges the same day. The world did not stop turning and my pain did not go wild.
I did try diet root beer one day on the road and while I liked it there was an after taste. The next day I tried it again and after two sips I poured it out because I did not like the feeling I was getting. While that is all subjective I later found the drink had aspartame in it.
If one throws a headache over and over, stomach ache, etc after any food or artificial sweetener then there is a problem with what they put into their stomachs in their cases period.
There are more unknowns than knowns with it comes to humans and diet and that is not going to change soon I expect. My science background was gained in the process of earning my OD degree 30 years ago and reading ongoing medical research and the wild wild web like this forum.
Did you stop and think maybe it was not the aspartame? Especially since you yourself said you had exactly the same drink the day before and had no problems at all?1 -
Not to resurrect an old post but....
I heard that it was actually the combination of aspartame with the citric acid that was the problem. I don't remember if it had to do with the heating process in production or not, though.
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Jacqadactle wrote: »Not to resurrect an old post but....
I heard that it was actually the combination of aspartame with the citric acid that was the problem. I don't remember if it had to do with the heating process in production or not, though.
Thoughts?
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Jacqadactle wrote: »Not to resurrect an old post but....
I heard that it was actually the combination of aspartame with the citric acid that was the problem. I don't remember if it had to do with the heating process in production or not, though.
Thoughts?
For a thread like this, I think you need to bring more details to the table other than "I heard somewhere..."0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citric_acid_cycle
I'm going to go on a limb here and suggest that your body is VERY well-equipped to deal with citric acid as a component in food given its concentrations.-1 -
As a physical chemist whose graduate work was in the field of carbohydrate metabolism I thoroughly endorse this post. Thank you for taking the time not only to wrote a clear description of aspartame and its physiological destination, but also replying to people with questions.
Hey thanks tomteboda, I appreciate the support. I ended up in the softer squishier biological side of chemistry but I can definitely appreciate pchem as a science even if calculating entropic and enthalpic effects of reactions wasn't really for me (I only got the classroom experience so I'm probably misrepresenting it horribly). I'm a big fan of science not just as a job but as a philosophy and at the risk of sounding arrogant like to do outreach in terms of explaining why I think its so important to be able to recognize bias, both externally and internally. The lack of proper citation and general disregard for it in the news and public is just awful and has lead to these sorts of really unsupported claims riding high on waves of public support. I haven't been very active on this website recently though so nice to see others pitching in with their thoughts and experience on the matter.0 -
Diet sodas and such have literally zero side effects... It's the candy & syrups that have the sugar alcohols that can cause diarrhea! Also, if trying to keep insulin super low like I do while dieting, other fake sweeteners with ingredients like acesulfame-k has been known to raise insulin!0
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I take that some of you have not health related issues with consuming aspartame and other artificial sweeteners and that is fine.
Finally getting off sugar over a year ago I just will not use aspartame and the like since they are only emotional needs. Even celery taste sweet now. 0 -
I love the posts by those who clearly have not read the OP.1
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Very interesting and well explained (albeit in a uber-scientific way)
So then just out of curiosity, what is it - scientifically speaking - that was found in the studies some rely on to "prove" aspartame is harmful. Is it a super-duper concentration (un-scientifically speaking) of one of the specific compounds? That's my suspicion, but I'd be interested in an explanation from someone far smarter than myself just what it is the anti-aspartame folks are hanging their hat on (the ones who actually sort of know what they're talking about; not the ones whose totality of 'informed' opinion comes from forwarded emails and facebook posts)
Pretty sure it was the phylalanine from what I've read. People were thinking if they ate it they would end up with mental retardation or some other stuff that only happens with people who have phenylketonuria without realising that PKA is something we test for at birth
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Supersmart Science People,
What do you think of the recent studies that artificial sweeteners change our gut microbiome? I wasn't worried about them until I saw those.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/artificial-sweeteners-may-change-our-gut-bacteria-in-dangerous-ways/2 -
It's sure harmful if you're allergic to it! 0
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I've always wondered why people say this. So if you need a drug to fight off an infection or save you from dying, you won't take it?If it does not naturally exist here on this planet, It will not go into my body.
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Hardly conclusive. I'd need to see more research with SEVERAL more studies to make a better assessment.robingmurphy wrote: »Supersmart Science People,
What do you think of the recent studies that artificial sweeteners change our gut microbiome? I wasn't worried about them until I saw those.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/artificial-sweeteners-may-change-our-gut-bacteria-in-dangerous-ways/
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I have never like the taste of artificial sweeteners. Any of them, I can always pick them out. And they leave a weird aftertaste. I prefer honey, maple syrup, and plain cane sugar. If you look at my diary there is one item I eat/drink that has sucralose I believe. My tassimo pumpkin spice latte. From the machine at work. The flavor seems more muted in this one and it seems to be the only product that I like that is sweetened like this. I usually get a headache from even a few sips of my husbands diet coke. Or grabbing a peice of gum. Since I make it a goal to mostly eat things that grow naturally, not made in a lab, those are not items I naturally choose. Yes, many of my foods have been in a lab, and GMOs and stuff. But I do my best. The animals we raise are raised organic and free range, the food I grow is mostly from heirloom seed when I can find it, etc. I am the crazy who believes that many of our diseases are coming from our food sources. So my stance on franken foods is not likely to change no matter how chemically similar we can argue they are.
Aaannnddd now I see how old this thread is.1 -
Robingmurphy aspartame is literally a just a methyl ester of a dipeptide, whatever influence it has on your gut microbiome would be no different than the influence had by taking a bite of chicken followed by a bite of an apple.
My question to you would be, what food or drink doesn't influence your gut microbiome?0 -
I am the crazy who believes that many of our diseases are coming from our food sources. So my stance on franken foods is not likely to change no matter how chemically similar we can argue they are.
Youngmomtaz whenever someone says that they believe X and they won't change that belief regardless of evidence I sort of have to just shrug and walk away at that point. I mean whats the point right?0 -
@Aaron_K123, you're right. When someone's position becomes a matter of religious belief, its no longer the realm of science.0
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snickerscharlie wrote: »booksandchocolate12 wrote: »UltimateRBF wrote: »mrshollamby2015 wrote: »Aspartame almost killed me I ended up with blood poisoning and it's because of this! I went into anaphylactic shock I don't care what anyone says it's dangerous
That just means it's dangerous to you.
Exactly. My daughter's friend has a peanut allergy. Consuming peanuts might result in anaphylactic shock for her.
So, I guess that means that peanuts are dangerous and should be avoided by everyone?
Of course! Much easier than expecting the allergic person to simply avoid their allergen or carry an Epi-Pen.
I'm allergic to wasps. Yes, deathly allergic. I carry an Epi-Pen, but I would happily have wasps eradicated off the planet because I've never found a good or irreplaceable need for them in nature's food chain anyway.
Eradicate wasps and say good bye to figs!0 -
Seriously what do you work for MOnsanto????? Its bad for you...Are you one of their Scientists that just lies to people.It was Proven its harmful.Monsanto was called out for Lieing to Congress.Seriously!!!1
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msheskajones wrote: »Seriously what do you work for MOnsanto????? Its bad for you...Are you one of their Scientists that just lies to people.It was Proven its harmful.Monsanto was called out for Lieing to Congress.Seriously!!!
Please post peer-reviewed scientific studies to support your claim (there have already been plenty posted to refute it). We'll wait.1 -
msheskajones wrote: »Seriously what do you work for MOnsanto????? Its bad for you...Are you one of their Scientists that just lies to people.It was Proven its harmful.Monsanto was called out for Lieing to Congress.Seriously!!!
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