Question about clean eating
mirunizzle9
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I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
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mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
No it's rubbish
But if you want to build muscles you need to either bulk and cut or recomp and make sure you hit your minimum protein (0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight) and fat (0.35g per lb bodyweight) macros
Bulk and cut - eat at surplus calories, eat adequate protein, follow a progressive resistance programme...then do exactly the same but eating at defecit to cut
Recomp - eat at or slightly below maintenance, eat adequate protein, follow a progressive resistance programme
You don't really build muscles in defecit apart from some newbie gains, or teenage boy exceptions0 -
Of course the overall nutritional value of diet does matter for health which does impact on how you look ..but that doesn't dictate clean eating at all..just a focus on macros and micronutrients within your diet ...many follow at 80 / 20 rule for "healthy/perceived as junk" foods0
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I'm a little confused about what you're saying.mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
Are you saying that they told you you had to eat healthy foods to build muscle? Or specific foods, like protein?
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Are you saying that you were told that you cannot build muscle while eating "in a deficit"?
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What kids of foods do you eat??mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
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I'm a little confused about what you're saying.mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
Are you saying that they told you you had to eat healthy foods to build muscle? Or specific foods, like protein?
Or
Are you saying that you were told that you cannot build muscle while eating "in a deficit"?
That I have to eat just healthy food, I mean without treats, to build muscle. I, personally, eat normal, just portion control.0 -
What kids of foods do you eat??mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
I eat potatoes, mushrooms, pork, ground meat, sandwiches, but I also eat sweets, popcorn and other things that are not considered healthy0 -
mirunizzle9 wrote: »
What kids of foods do you eat??mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
I eat potatoes, mushrooms, pork, ground meat, sandwiches, but I also eat sweets, popcorn and other things that are not considered healthy
Don't we all
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Nope, you don't have to eat healthy food to build muscle. The single most important thing is just to get enough calories. Technically....theoretically...there is a number you could eat and build muscle while not gaining weight. But that's a theoretical number and not a number anyone can really figure out, for sure, so most people who want to build muscle, eat enough to gain weight while they build muscle (bulk.). Then, they diet for a while to get the excess fat off and then eat more again. They call the dieting "cutting." They do these cut and bulk cycles. It's kind of like yo-yo dieting, but with a purpose.mirunizzle9 wrote: »
I'm a little confused about what you're saying.mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
Are you saying that they told you you had to eat healthy foods to build muscle? Or specific foods, like protein?
Or
Are you saying that you were told that you cannot build muscle while eating "in a deficit"?
That I have to eat just healthy food, I mean without treats, to build muscle. I, personally, eat normal, just portion control.
Healthy food makes healthy bodies! It can prevent disease (if we are lucky) and can help improve some diseases (with luck, again). I'm very Pro on the healthy food and not attempting to discourage it's consumption in any way. Really. But it's not necessary if you want to build muscle.
If a cheeseburger and a shake would prevent people from building muscle, most of the bodybuilders would be scrawny.
You could eat nothing but junk and still build muscle.
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Nope, you don't have to eat healthy food to build muscle. The single most important thing is just to get enough calories. Technically....theoretically...there is a number you could eat and build muscle while not gaining weight. But that's a theoretical number and not a number anyone can really figure out, for sure, so most people who want to build muscle, eat enough to gain weight while they build muscle (bulk.). Then, they diet for a while to get the excess fat off and then eat more again. They call the dieting "cutting." They do these cut and bulk cycles. It's kind of like yo-yo dieting, but with a purpose.mirunizzle9 wrote: »
I'm a little confused about what you're saying.mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
Are you saying that they told you you had to eat healthy foods to build muscle? Or specific foods, like protein?
Or
Are you saying that you were told that you cannot build muscle while eating "in a deficit"?
That I have to eat just healthy food, I mean without treats, to build muscle. I, personally, eat normal, just portion control.
Healthy food makes healthy bodies! It can prevent disease (if we are lucky) and can help improve some diseases (with luck, again). I'm very Pro on the healthy food and not attempting to discourage it's consumption in any way. Really. But it's not necessary if you want to build muscle.
If a cheeseburger and a shake would prevent people from building muscle, most of the bodybuilders would be scrawny.
You could eat nothing but junk and still build muscle.
Thank you for the explication. I don't want to build very big muscles, but I do want to look good, you know 0 -
I'm not into it, either. I lift the weights for the sole purpose (hope?) of strengthening my bones. I will never look good and don't even kid myself on that one, lol.mirunizzle9 wrote: »
Nope, you don't have to eat healthy food to build muscle. The single most important thing is just to get enough calories. Technically....theoretically...there is a number you could eat and build muscle while not gaining weight. But that's a theoretical number and not a number anyone can really figure out, for sure, so most people who want to build muscle, eat enough to gain weight while they build muscle (bulk.). Then, they diet for a while to get the excess fat off and then eat more again. They call the dieting "cutting." They do these cut and bulk cycles. It's kind of like yo-yo dieting, but with a purpose.mirunizzle9 wrote: »
I'm a little confused about what you're saying.mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
Are you saying that they told you you had to eat healthy foods to build muscle? Or specific foods, like protein?
Or
Are you saying that you were told that you cannot build muscle while eating "in a deficit"?
That I have to eat just healthy food, I mean without treats, to build muscle. I, personally, eat normal, just portion control.
Healthy food makes healthy bodies! It can prevent disease (if we are lucky) and can help improve some diseases (with luck, again). I'm very Pro on the healthy food and not attempting to discourage it's consumption in any way. Really. But it's not necessary if you want to build muscle.
If a cheeseburger and a shake would prevent people from building muscle, most of the bodybuilders would be scrawny.
You could eat nothing but junk and still build muscle.
Thank you for the explication. I don't want to build very big muscles, but I do want to look good, you know
But a lot of people here are very into it and could give you lots of tips, pointers, book recommendations, etc. you should check out the weight lifting stuff for tips!
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mirunizzle9 wrote: »
What kids of foods do you eat??mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
I eat potatoes, mushrooms, pork, ground meat, sandwiches, but I also eat sweets, popcorn and other things that are not considered healthy
Say's who?0 -
I looked healthier when I began exercising more. It put pink in my cheeks. It takes considerable effort to "body build". If you want strength and health, you can certainly lift weights with no fear you will bulk up.0
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Yes for me 80/20 is magic because even if I got myself to 100% I sure as heck couldn't maintain that! But going from say 50/50 to 80/20 is very do-able and also sustainable for me.
I would add it is easier to look good with sub par food when one has the innate vitality and cell turnover of youth. Just like drugs, alcohol & nicotine, highly processed, strip mined & artificially concocted foodstuffs start to show in the skin, hair, teeth, etc of women my age (50s) even if they have maintained a lifelong low BMI with decent muscle tone.0 -
I knew a work associate who looked in top shape to the point he ha a completely defined body with six pack abs. His diet at work was horrible. Honey buns daily from the vending machines. On Tuesdays evenings he would drink a half pint of whiskey and Popeye's chicken after workshift. I'm not sure what else he ate for the rest of the week. He religiously worked out. He used boxing training for his workouts. Well, last year he had a massive heart attack in his sleep and never woke up. So I do believe that you are what you eat. Looking good on the outside doesn't mean that you are fit. I believe eating unregulated junk calories will clog our arterys, introduce diabetes and provide a better environment for cancer to possibly be born. Please try and eat sensibly. I don't even want to remove junk food from my diet so I will only look at is as a rare occasion. Those days for me to eat a whole tasty bag of chips are hopefully over
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sinbadfxdl wrote: »I knew a work associate who looked in top shape to the point he ha a completely defined body with six pack abs. His diet at work was horrible. Honey buns daily from the vending machines. On Tuesdays evenings he would drink a half pint of whiskey and Popeye's chicken after workshift. I'm not sure what else he ate for the rest of the week. He religiously worked out. He used boxing training for his workouts. Well, last year he had a massive heart attack in his sleep and never woke up. So I do believe that you are what you eat. Looking good on the outside doesn't mean that you are fit. I believe eating unregulated junk calories will clog our arterys, introduce diabetes and provide a better environment for cancer to possibly be born. Please try and eat sensibly. I don't even want to remove junk food from my diet so I will only look at is as a rare occasion. Those days for me to eat a whole tasty bag of chips are hopefully over
I think that's taking an unfortunate death, where you don't know the actual circumstances but are ascribing to clogged arteries from diet, and extrapolating wildly
Of course it is important to have a healthy nutritious diet but ruling out a tasty bag of chips out of fear when you have a generally healthy lifestyle is an overreaction
Many years ago I lost someone to a heart attack too...a seemingly healthy 28 year old...but a simple virus had unknowingly attacked and weakened his heart0 -
You're choosing a lot of food that does not have macro information (carbs, fat, protein.) To me, that calls into question the accuracy of the calorie information.
Is there a way you can verify the nutritional content of the foods? If so, you can Edit the entries to add the macros and correct the calorie information as needed.
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mirunizzle9 wrote: »I've Read in one of the topics here that even if I'm in a deficit and doing exercises but I don't eat just healthy stuff I won't get muscles and a good looking body. Is it true? I mean I do want to be healthy, I just don't eat just healthy things
You will get out what you put in.
Do the correct exercise, fuel your body right and have patience and you will get to where you want to be.
If you are looking to build muscle then you need to be eating in a calorie surplus.
If you want to increase your lean mass percentage and loss weight then focus on resistance training and getting enough protein in your diet.
At the end of the day for weight loss it is just about a deficit.
For healthy loss it's about a deficit and food choice.
Good luck.
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+1 80% healthy 20% fun.
But 139 calories of that dinner went to a full-sugar Coke, which left you with 291 calories for nutrition from actual food (looks like it was maybe a salami and margarine sandwich, same thing for breakfast)? And chips and oreos and vermicelli (that right?) for lunch? You need a bit more variety in your diet, that's all carbs and sugar. Nothing wrong with some of that, but you need other stuff.
Beans are filling and nutritious and cheap, so are eggs, which have protein and lots of other good stuff in them.
I think you do need more veg and fruit in there.0 -
catscats222 wrote: »i peeked in your diary
your protein is extremely low
the body needs protein to develop muscle
google: how much protein does my body need minimum requirement calculator
http://www.webefit.com/Calculators/Calc_protein.html
my minimum is around 40
i try to double that daily
i think i saw more than one day were you don't even get 20 grams of protein
google: high protein foods
drinking a glass of milk in the morning is an easy cheap way to get 8 grams
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mirunizzle9 wrote: »That I have to eat just healthy food, I mean without treats, to build muscle. I, personally, eat normal, just portion control.
There are plenty of "normal" foods that work fine for building muscle (although, the quantity of muscle you can build in a calorie deficit is limited, but at least you want to stop its loss). Protein is your friend here - lean beef, chicken, etc. are great sources of protein and taste pretty darn good. Tacos are one of my go-to foods for a ton of protein, but I'll do chicken, burgers, etc. too. In general any meal that fits in your calorie goals and has a lot of meat is going to have a lot of complete proteins, the #1 thing you need for muscle growth and maintenance.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »You're choosing a lot of food that does not have macro information (carbs, fat, protein.) To me, that calls into question the accuracy of the calorie information.
Is there a way you can verify the nutritional content of the foods? If so, you can Edit the entries to add the macros and correct the calorie information as needed.
these created by me and I didn't really concentrate on macros so I didn't log them. But I will, thanks. And these are the calories from the packages0 -
Weight loss or gain is all about calories.
You could eat 11lb of carrots, or 4 Big Macs, and as long as your daily calorie needs were over 2000 calories
you would lose weight.
Nutrition requires paying attention to what you're eating, and having mostly healthy foods.
Mental health requires that you allow yourself some not-so-healthy-but-oh-so-tasty foods once in a while.
Strengthening muscle requires lots of effort over a long time, repeatedly moving heavy things.
Gaining muscle requires doing that, plus eating at a slight surplus of calories, plus eating toward the
upper end of the healthy range of protein % intake.
Here's a table which explains the healthy ranges, from the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition:
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/88/1/1/T1.expansion.html
carbs, 45 - 65% of calories (4 cal per gram)
fat, 20 - 35% of calories (9 cal per gram)
protein, 10 - 35% of calories (4 cal per gram)
Women have a harder time gaining muscle than men do, because hormones. But you can make the most of
what you have, get stronger, sleeker, more shapely. And it's a lot easier to maintain muscle than to regain it
if you've been losing weight without exercising.
Here are some helpful articles / posts / sites:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2013/09/04/the-6-weight-loss-tips-that-science-actually-knows-work/
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1080242/a-guide-to-get-you-started-on-your-path-to-sexypants
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10012907/logging-accuracy-consistency-and-youre-probably-eating-more-than-you-think
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/819925/the-basics-dont-complicate-it/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/872212/youre-probably-eating-more-than-you-think/p1
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/833026/important-posts-to-read/p10
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