So you CAN eat McDonald's every day...
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justrollme wrote: »
You didn't read well. Every single day, I moderate the foods I choose to eat, and I do not eat the foods I've chosen to eliminate. It is through discipline that I do this. You don't have to like it or believe it, but that is an every day reality for me.
As I stated in my original post, moderation is not easy for many people. If it was, then there wouldn't be a lot of people who fail at it, or who regain weight after losing.
At this point, we will have to agree to disagree.
You're deliberately ignoring the difference between functionality and adherence. In every instance of moderation failing, the failure is due to the practitioner, not the practice (just as it is for all failed ways of eating).
As for your elimination/moderation diet, I'll just quote myself in summation.tincanonastring wrote: »ETA: I should add that many people don't properly understand moderation, so they either choose not to try it at all or they try it unsuccessfully and don't go back. Again, that's not a problem with moderation, but a problem with the person trying to practice it.
ETA: I was dissatisfied with the flippant nature of my original response.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »Read more: http://www.thelunchtray.com/cisna-540-meals-a-mcdonalds-infomercial-coming-to-a-school-near-you/
They stopped the infomercial woo hoo! Seriously, I'd like to know more about the next 90 days when he lost 19 more pounds and increased his exercise. Anybody walking for 45 minutes and burning 1/5 of Big Mac is probably doing something terribly wrong. I mean, how slow would you have to walk to burn 1/5 of 540 calories(a Big Mac) in 45 minutes? Hmmm....and the link provided also recommends 5 to 9 servings a day of fruits and vegetables. I've read a lot of diaries in over 3 years on MFP and I think it is safe to say you'd be hard pressed to find many people adhering to this. Then again. . . .
I probably get 5-9 servings of fruits and veggies every day. My enormous salads help.0 -
justrollme wrote: »
I never said moderation doesn't work, I said it doesn't work for everyone. Maybe you should re-read what I wrote?
In examining my habits, what works for me is elimination of certain foods and moderation of certain foods. Just like sugar shouldn't be demonized, elimination of foods should also not be demonized. Better?You didn't read well. Every single day, I moderate the foods I choose to eat, and I do not eat the foods I've chosen to eliminate. It is through discipline that I do this. You don't have to like it or believe it, but that is an every day reality for me.
As I stated in my original post, moderation is not easy for many people. If it was, then there wouldn't be a lot of people who fail at it, or who regain weight after losing.
At this point, we will have to agree to disagree.
Well, I agree, especially with the bolded.0 -
This food write for Fortune magazine has the same takeaway as the link I posted earlier:
http://fortune.com/2015/10/15/mcdonalds-movie-weight-loss/
...McDonald’s, lately struggling to find solutions to flagging sales and a weakened reputation, is promoting a movie that advises high-school students that if they eat at McDonald’s, they will be following a healthy, “balanced” diet.0 -
Except that that's not what it says, at all.kshama2001 wrote: »This food write for Fortune magazine has the same takeaway as the link I posted earlier:
http://fortune.com/2015/10/15/mcdonalds-movie-weight-loss/
...McDonald’s, lately struggling to find solutions to flagging sales and a weakened reputation, is promoting a movie that advises high-school students that if they eat at McDonald’s, they will be following a healthy, “balanced” diet.
It's pretty cheap to slip in "will be" to attack something that says "can be."
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kshama2001 wrote: »This food write for Fortune magazine has the same takeaway as the link I posted earlier:
http://fortune.com/2015/10/15/mcdonalds-movie-weight-loss/
...McDonald’s, lately struggling to find solutions to flagging sales and a weakened reputation, is promoting a movie that advises high-school students that if they eat at McDonald’s, they will be following a healthy, “balanced” diet.
Maybe we are reading it differently but I will quote straight from the article:
McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb wrote in an email to FORTUNE: "John’s story is not a weight loss plan, and we do not recommend that anyone eat every meal at one restaurant every day for an extended period. Rather, John’s story is about making informed and balanced choices no matter where you choose to eat and incorporating exercise into your daily routine.
As an educator, he independently conducted his experiment and he uses it to promote critical thinking about balance and informed choices. As part of his relationship with McDonald’s, the original documentary John Cisna created to track his experiment was updated to better reflect the importance of food choice and balance together with moderate physical activity."
They are promoting that MCDonalds can be incorporated into a healthy, balanced diet with the right choices and physical exercise. Not that McDonalds is fine to eat everyday for lunch and after school.
I find this a smart move for McDonalds. Businesses will only succeed if they can keep up with changing technology and trends. They already posted the calorie count for every item on their boards, their website is very interactive and informative about where their meat and veggies comes from, and they are open to discussing their marketing strategies. I don't see how else they can educate people that their food is fine to eat unless someone (anyone) is so ignorant they can't take two minutes to go on McDonalds website.0 -
For some people, the whole "moderation" thing isn't worth the trouble. Even some proponents off "moderation" will say there are a couple things they don't buy because it's tough to eat just a little.
While many people can eat just a little, they may want more. And it's a pain in the butt to want more and not eat more, so they just skip those foods entirely.
Some people really do have trouble, lack self discipline, whatever. So, they find that elimination is best for them. That takes some self-discipline, too. It might not be as tough as having a little and stopping, but it requires some discipline.
Moderate a food, eliminate a food...either way is fine. Just so long as one isn't overeating it, they'll lose weight.
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For some people, the whole "moderation" thing isn't worth the trouble. Even some proponents off "moderation" will say there are a couple things they don't buy because it's tough to eat just a little.
While many people can eat just a little, they may want more. And it's a pain in the butt to want more and not eat more, so they just skip those foods entirely.
Some people really do have trouble, lack self discipline, whatever. So, they find that elimination is best for them. That takes some self-discipline, too. It might not be as tough as having a little and stopping, but it requires some discipline.
Moderate a food, eliminate a food...either way is fine. Just so long as one isn't overeating it, they'll lose weight.
+1... nicely said.0 -
I really need to check out the American McDonalds menu... Here, we have I believe the choice of one salad... The rest of the menu is the typical Burger, fries and thick shakes.
ETA: It's been months since I've been there, maybe they've jumped on the healthy band wagon recently. .0 -
christinev297 wrote: »I really need to check out the American McDonalds menu... Here, we have I believe the choice of one salad... The rest of the menu is the typical Burger, fries and thick shakes.
ETA: It's been months since I've been there, maybe they've jumped on the healthy band wagon recently. .
I'm not going to lie - I'm super jealous that the soft serve can come with a part of a Flake in the great land of Oz. So yummy.
Also, Tim Tams. Enough said.
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Can you? Sure. Why would you?0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Can you? Sure. Why would you?
Some people honestly like the taste.
Some people work there and need the free food provided to employees.
Some people like the playplaces for their kids.
Some people are on the road all day and may not have the time or facilities for other options.
Some people are inexperienced or disastrous cooks who need ready-made food on a budget.
Some people feel pressured to go and eat with friends, family, or coworkers.
Some people honestly don't have access to working kitchen equipment.
Why do people keep asking this question in this thread? Is it a lack of imagination that some people might like or need different things? Or is it just to wind people up?
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I'm not going to lie - I'm super jealous that the soft serve can come with a part of a Flake in the great land of Oz. So yummy.
Also, Tim Tams. Enough said.
Haha, they are super good soft serves too.
And totally agree about the Tim Tams, they've just brought out three bean coffee flavoured ones, dangeeeeerous :grumble:
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I don't think so. It's just kind of blah. But the coffee and fries are definitely good loltincanonastring wrote: »
Because McDonald's food is bangin'.0 -
DeguelloTex wrote: »Except that that's not what it says, at all.
It's pretty cheap to slip in "will be" to attack something that says "can be."
By "it" in "Except that that's not what it says, at all" are you referring to the article I quoted? I copied and pasted and did not change a word.
Or are you referring to the author's takeaway?
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kshama2001 wrote: »
By "it" in "Except that that's not what it says, at all" are you referring to the article I quoted? I copied and pasted and did not change a word.
Or are you referring to the author's takeaway?
Wait, are you trying to show the media misrepresenting an article again?0 -
MsJulesRenee wrote: »
Maybe we are reading it differently but I will quote straight from the article:
McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb wrote in an email to FORTUNE: "John’s story is not a weight loss plan, and we do not recommend that anyone eat every meal at one restaurant every day for an extended period. Rather, John’s story is about making informed and balanced choices no matter where you choose to eat and incorporating exercise into your daily routine.
As an educator, he independently conducted his experiment and he uses it to promote critical thinking about balance and informed choices. As part of his relationship with McDonald’s, the original documentary John Cisna created to track his experiment was updated to better reflect the importance of food choice and balance together with moderate physical activity."
They are promoting that MCDonalds can be incorporated into a healthy, balanced diet with the right choices and physical exercise. Not that McDonalds is fine to eat everyday for lunch and after school.
Yes, that's the McDonalds viewpoint. My point was that the article author's takeaway was:
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bclarke1990 wrote: »Is this the 1940s where we can't make educated inferences about obvious things. Yes you can lose weight eating only pop-tarts. No, you should not.
But the peanut butter ones are soooo delicious!
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kshama2001 wrote: »
Yes, that's the McDonalds viewpoint. My point was that the article author's takeaway was:
Businesses prosper only if they keep up with the current trends and technology, that's one of the top priorities all business owners should acknowledge. Any McDonalds I drive by are always busy, drive thru and inside. The author sees struggling, I see a great business opportunity and McDonalds is doing it correctly. They are making every effort to make their food healthy and attractive to keep up with growing demands for new health conscious lifestyles and generation. Greed maybe, but not struggle.0 -
Someone posted this on facebook and it reminded me of this thread and how "scientific" this science teacher's work was. Not for the same topic, but it applies here too. A pity that this image is not taught in science classes, it would be something the kids would benefit from. Instead of trusting stories like Supersize me or the McDonald's diet (to list both sides, as they are both examples of what science is not) and basing lifestyle decisions on one person "studies" and on stories that look good in the media.
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Someone posted this on facebook and it reminded me of this thread and how "scientific" this science teacher's work was. Not for the same topic, but it applies here too. A pity that this image is not taught in science classes, it would be something the kids would benefit from. Instead of trusting stories like Supersize me or the McDonald's diet (to list both sides, as they are both examples of what science is not) and basing lifestyle decisions on one person "studies" and on stories that look good in the media.
I agree with this, but I also remember how, in science class - my engaging science teacher at high school was most able to get us excited about certain concepts when he found fun ways to play around with them and demonstrate them.
We could build our own electrical models. We could grow beans and experiment with feeding them different mixtures and see which ones grew best. We could eat lots of sugar in one day and write an essay about our energy levels (he did that). We did these sort of interactive things all the time - not because our teacher was trying to publish a verifiable study, but because he was trying to open our minds to critical thinking and the idea of experimenting in order to find things out.
Yes, the teacher in the video did get a job from McDonalds down the line, but he started off as just a creative science teacher, running a fun "experiment".
I plan to run my own experiment in November, just for me. I am going to call it McVember. I have an idea of what to expect (but I am open to being surprised) and I understand that my experience will be uniquely my own and cannot be applied to anyone else. It will still be useful to me though, as I am gathering data on my own body and responses, so there is value in that for me and me alone.
My boyfriend and I are going to eat McDonalds only for a month, we will allow ourselves to drink coffee and other sodas/water/diet soda at home, but will log these. I suspect my challenge will be different to his because I eat at 1200 and it is quite tricky to fit three meals a day at McDonalds into that, without getting a little creative around what you call a meal, on occasion. I suspect I am going to find the volumes challenging and the food repetitive as there are a few items I cannot see how I could ever fit in (like shakes). I am sure I will often be hungry and I might have to do irritating things like cut burgers in half. Perhaps I am wrong. We shall see.
I suspect my boyfriend, who has 2800 calories eat (a large man maintaining) - will have a different experience. He will feast it up and probably have the time of his life with no down side.
I don't see any harm to body or mind in running this sort of experiment for a month and I think we will have a laugh. I hope to learn a few things about myself and my preferences in the process.
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I remember doing an experiment in biology where we took our pulse rates, drank straight black coffee, waited a set time (I can't remember how long, either fifteen minutes or half an hour), and then took them again.
Mine was the only pulse rate in the class that went down, but all I remember is the trauma of having to swallow a small cup of straight black coffee. I didn't like it before, but I sure as heck wouldn't touch the stuff after that. YUCK!0 -
Will you be tracking micros while you do it?
I agree with this, but I also remember how, in science class - my engaging science teacher at high school was most able to get us excited about certain concepts when he found fun ways to play around with them and demonstrate them.
We could build our own electrical models. We could grow beans and experiment with feeding them different mixtures and see which ones grew best. We could eat lots of sugar in one day and write an essay about our energy levels (he did that). We did these sort of interactive things all the time - not because our teacher was trying to publish a verifiable study, but because he was trying to open our minds to critical thinking and the idea of experimenting in order to find things out.
Yes, the teacher in the video did get a job from McDonalds down the line, but he started off as just a creative science teacher, running a fun "experiment".
I plan to run my own experiment in November, just for me. I am going to call it McVember. I have an idea of what to expect (but I am open to being surprised) and I understand that my experience will be uniquely my own and cannot be applied to anyone else. It will still be useful to me though, as I am gathering data on my own body and responses, so there is value in that for me and me alone.
My boyfriend and I are going to eat McDonalds only for a month, we will allow ourselves to drink coffee and other sodas/water/diet soda at home, but will log these. I suspect my challenge will be different to his because I eat at 1200 and it is quite tricky to fit three meals a day at McDonalds into that, without getting a little creative around what you call a meal, on occasion. I suspect I am going to find the volumes challenging and the food repetitive as there are a few items I cannot see how I could ever fit in (like shakes). I am sure I will often be hungry and I might have to do irritating things like cut burgers in half. Perhaps I am wrong. We shall see.
I suspect my boyfriend, who has 2800 calories eat (a large man maintaining) - will have a different experience. He will feast it up and probably have the time of his life with no down side.
I don't see any harm to body or mind in running this sort of experiment for a month and I think we will have a laugh. I hope to learn a few things about myself and my preferences in the process.
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Maybe I don't know what you mean @Kalikel - but this is my idea of how I will do it :
I will track what I currently track on MFP and try to stay within them as much as possible - sodium, fiber, sugar etc. I am not going to get hysterical about it as I am not hysterical about it currently - so I am not going to apply stricter rules than I would with my current way of eating - I will attempt to apply the same *rules*.
Track everything and attempt to eat to 1200 90% of the time and as a general rule - regard protein cap as a minimum. Regard fat cap as a minimum. Regard carb cap as a max. regard sugar cap as a max. Do my best to hit the fiber (I am not good at this currently). Sometimes eat too much. Sometimes eat too little. Log everything. Weigh myself every day.
In my regular plan I am happy enough if I get within 15 or 20% if I don't get them exactly right.
Again, this is for me - not trying to gather converts for the fast food nation or anything. Just amusing myself.0 -
Maybe I don't know what you mean @Kalikel - but this is my idea of how I will do it :
I will track what I currently track on MFP and try to stay within them as much as possible - sodium, fiber, sugar etc. I am not going to get hysterical about it as I am not hysterical about it currently - so I am not going to apply stricter rules than I would with my current way of eating - I will attempt to apply the same *rules*.
Track everything and attempt to eat to 1200 90% of the time and as a general rule - regard protein cap as a minimum. Regard fat cap as a minimum. Regard carb cap as a max. regard sugar cap as a max. Do my best to hit the fiber (I am not good at this currently). Sometimes eat too much. Sometimes eat too little. Log everything. Weigh myself every day.
In my regular plan I am happy enough if I get within 15 or 20% if I don't get them exactly right.
Again, this is for me - not trying to gather converts for the fast food nation or anything. Just amusing myself.
And I'm not looking to convert! No chance. But I'm also not looking to make fun of you. I'm genuinely curious about how low (or high) someone would go on the various vitamins and minerals if all they ate was McDonald's.Maybe I don't know what you mean @Kalikel - but this is my idea of how I will do it :
I will track what I currently track on MFP and try to stay within them as much as possible - sodium, fiber, sugar etc. I am not going to get hysterical about it as I am not hysterical about it currently - so I am not going to apply stricter rules than I would with my current way of eating - I will attempt to apply the same *rules*.
Track everything and attempt to eat to 1200 90% of the time and as a general rule - regard protein cap as a minimum. Regard fat cap as a minimum. Regard carb cap as a max. regard sugar cap as a max. Do my best to hit the fiber (I am not good at this currently). Sometimes eat too much. Sometimes eat too little. Log everything. Weigh myself every day.
In my regular plan I am happy enough if I get within 15 or 20% if I don't get them exactly right.
Again, this is for me - not trying to gather converts for the fast food nation or anything. Just amusing myself.
I think the MFP pro let's people track all their micros (vitamins and minerals), but don't know if you have that or not.
It sounds like a fun experiment.
I don't know why it quoted twice. That keeps happening to me. It wasn't intentional or smartass or anything.
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I can only really accurately track what McDonalds lists on their websites for the items, so I suppose I could add a few extra to my current list. Anything else would be a guess, so have no real value.0
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I have just checked. They don't cut much deeper than what I already have, so no way to gauge vitamins and minerals. This is what is published on the website for each item :
Size
Energy (kJ)
Protein (g)
Carbohydrates (g)
Sugars (g)
Total Fat (g)
Saturated Fat
Trans Fat (g)
Dietary Fibre (g)
Sodium (mg)
Serving Size (g)0 -
Most, if not all of their stuff is on the USDA website. If you want to check it out. If not, that's cool. I doubt that I'd go through the trouble.0
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"It" is the movie. It does not say, as represented in your quote, that eating at McDonald's means you "will be" eating a balanced diet. It, the movie, says you "can be."kshama2001 wrote: »
By "it" in "Except that that's not what it says, at all" are you referring to the article I quoted? I copied and pasted and did not change a word.
Or are you referring to the author's takeaway?
It's a dishonest characterization.
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DeguelloTex wrote: »"It" is the movie. It does not say, as represented in your quote, that eating at McDonald's means you "will be" eating a balanced diet. It, the movie, says you "can be."
It's a dishonest characterization.
do you mean the commercial?
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