Priobiotics
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The gut microflora is a very important part of our digestion. However, the probiotics on the market now are all very similar and contain mostly Lactic Acid Bacteria, the same bacteria can be found in fermented foods such as yogurt, kimchi, etc. The real hurdle to them making an impact on you health is that your normal flora is very resistant to change unless you do something dramatic (harsh antibiotics, radiation, etc.) So in order to keep a probiotic in your system you need to keep taking it. If you want some really interesting reading you should look into fecal transplants for patients who suffered C. difficile infection and treatment, just fascinating stuff.0
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Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples
THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
A calorie is simply a way to measure energy. A calorie of soda and a calorie of carrot are the same thing.
The NUTRITION in the two may not be the same, I think that is what you are talking about.
I do wish all this stuff was common sense, but countless posts here demonstrating about what a calorie is or how our body uses energy have shown me that they aren't. And to be honest, I didn't know all this all my life either. I used to think that a calorie from soda was different than a calorie from carrots. There's no shame in admitting that we still have stuff in life to learn. Most of us who carry or have carried extra weight also have tended to fall for a lot of myths about weight loss in our attempts to deal with it. We also tend to gravitate towards theories promoted by people who tell us that a pill or potion may fix it.0 -
Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
Oh my.
A calorie is a unit of energy, like a cm or a mile. It just is.. Different foods have different nutritional values but a calorie is just a measurement of energy...no myths
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Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
Literally just LOLed. Thx!
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soapsandropes wrote: »The gut microflora is a very important part of our digestion. However, the probiotics on the market now are all very similar and contain mostly Lactic Acid Bacteria, the same bacteria can be found in fermented foods such as yogurt, kimchi, etc. The real hurdle to them making an impact on you health is that your normal flora is very resistant to change unless you do something dramatic (harsh antibiotics, radiation, etc.) So in order to keep a probiotic in your system you need to keep taking it. If you want some really interesting reading you should look into fecal transplants for patients who suffered C. difficile infection and treatment, just fascinating stuff.
I've had C. diff.
Not. Fascinating.
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Seriously, in lieu of being hostile and immediately dismissive, try listening to what people are trying to tell you. Nobody here is trying to be mean or mislead you. Everyone is trying to give you sound advice on your weight loss and help educate you on the nature of nutrition.0
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Please provide a link , my weight loss has stalled and I'm desperate.0
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My best friend is thin. She always has been, and she eats like a horse. She always has. The thing is... is that she moves A LOT. Her and her husband will go to the gym at times, but she has an on her feet job and probably averages 15,000 steps a day, just by working that job full time. Take in account her regular steps outside of work, I wouldn't be surprised if she gets over 22,000 steps a day on average. Me? I have a sit down job and have always been less active than her. If I walk around on my breaks, I MIGHT leave work with 5,500 steps. Then I MIGHT go on my nightly walks, depending on weather. If I do, I can get anywhere from 10,550 steps to 15,000. I STRIVE to get her average work steps. So she can eat whatever she wants because she is, and always has been, much more active than I. I don't believe she consumes any probiotics. I give my dog some greek yogurt sometimes to help with digestion, though! Dog farts are serious business, yo.0
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I take a probiotic to help with my IBS issues, but I haven't seen more or less weight loss than I was before I started taking it. I also didn't start taking it to lose weight. It does help my digestion though! 0
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Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
Now we're rolling our eyes?
No. A calorie is just a unit of measure. One foot of spaghetti is one foot. One foot of zucchini is still one foot. Calories are in fact calories. Eating at a caloric deficit, no matter what FOODS make up those CALORIES, will result in weight loss.
Probiotics may aid in digestion and general health, the same way choosing that zucchini over that spaghetti would improve overall health in SOME cases, but they do not cause or alter weight loss. Only eating less of them causes weight loss.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
A calorie is simply a way to measure energy. A calorie of soda and a calorie of carrot are the same thing.
The NUTRITION in the two may not be the same, I think that is what you are talking about.
I do wish all this stuff was common sense, but countless posts here demonstrating about what a calorie is or how our body uses energy have shown me that they aren't. And to be honest, I didn't know all this all my life either. I used to think that a calorie from soda was different than a calorie from carrots. There's no shame in admitting that we still have stuff in life to learn. Most of us who carry or have carried extra weight also have tended to fall for a lot of myths about weight loss in our attempts to deal with it. We also tend to gravitate towards theories promoted by people who tell us that a pill or potion may fix it.
I think this thread is a unique and beautiful example of that fact that CICO, health, and true weight loss efficacy are NOT in fact, common knowledge0 -
CoffeeNCardio wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Morgan I've done everything you mentioned, and I don't need to because IT IS common knowledge. I wonder if you've been sheltered your entire life or something. Also no, calorie is not the same thing as another calorie. A calorie of coke does something totally different than a calorie from a carrot. That is also a myth that divides health community. So no, some of your information is wrong and errored due to you assuming it is common knowledge and not providing links and examples THO if you were, I could easily dispute it, with MY links and examples. *Rolls Eyes @*.
A calorie is simply a way to measure energy. A calorie of soda and a calorie of carrot are the same thing.
The NUTRITION in the two may not be the same, I think that is what you are talking about.
I do wish all this stuff was common sense, but countless posts here demonstrating about what a calorie is or how our body uses energy have shown me that they aren't. And to be honest, I didn't know all this all my life either. I used to think that a calorie from soda was different than a calorie from carrots. There's no shame in admitting that we still have stuff in life to learn. Most of us who carry or have carried extra weight also have tended to fall for a lot of myths about weight loss in our attempts to deal with it. We also tend to gravitate towards theories promoted by people who tell us that a pill or potion may fix it.
I think this thread is a unique and beautiful example of that fact that CICO, health, and true weight loss efficacy are NOT in fact, common knowledge
+1 +1 +1... This this and all of this!0 -
After almost 10 years of ulcerative colitis and proctitis (currently in remission), I have discovered that at least 80% of our health starts in the gut which means daily probiotics is important. When you drink a ton of sodas, eat lots of sugar, eat artificial sweeteners and basically anything that is processed, your gut flora gets depleted. Prolonged absence of essential bacteria in the gut can lead to many health issues - not all them gut-related. Long-term medications can also cause harm to the gut.
This is purely anecdotal evidence here: my hubby is on permanent disability due to injuries from the navy. Everything in his neck is fused and he has permanent nerve damage. He has been on a variety of medications for years and the dentist discovered that some of those medications depleted his gut bacteria which in turn created an unhealthy environment in his mouth - bleeding, receding gums, tooth infections and a major loss in enamel. He also had high cholesterol and the doc wanted him to take statins. I started him on low dose probiotics at first and slowly increased it. He is now taking what I take - two doses a day of probiotics with 32 strains of bacteria at half a billion count per dose. We also added fermented foods. Guess what? Within 6 months, the bleeding, receding gums resolved themselves, his tooth enamel is much stronger and he is no longer in danger of losing any more teeth due to infection. His cholesterol level is normal now. The ONLY thing that changed in his life was the probiotics. His diet and everything else was the same.
I do not feel that probiotics helps in losing weight or affects metabolism. What it does is, paired with a good diet, improves your health so that you can make strides in your diet and exercise game which, in turn, boosts your opportunities to lose weight. To me, probiotics is a catalyst ...0 -
Coffee it is not a tantrum hahaha, I don't have to back up something that is common knowledge, thanks.
I get that you *think* this is common knowledge. But it is wrong. There are not people who eat more than they burn but lose weight and/or stay slim. Just continually claiming it's common knowledge doesn't further your argument or idea.0 -
I agree that probiotics would be beneficial for the majority of people. I've been taking them for YEARS, both when I was overweight, and slim. So in my situation, they did not help me to lose weight.
The one and only thing that got me where I am now is not over eating.0 -
rhtexasgal wrote: »After almost 10 years of ulcerative colitis and proctitis (currently in remission), I have discovered that at least 80% of our health starts in the gut which means daily probiotics is important. When you drink a ton of sodas, eat lots of sugar, eat artificial sweeteners and basically anything that is processed, your gut flora gets depleted. Prolonged absence of essential bacteria in the gut can lead to many health issues - not all them gut-related. Long-term medications can also cause harm to the gut.
This is purely anecdotal evidence here: my hubby is on permanent disability due to injuries from the navy. Everything in his neck is fused and he has permanent nerve damage. He has been on a variety of medications for years and the dentist discovered that some of those medications depleted his gut bacteria which in turn created an unhealthy environment in his mouth - bleeding, receding gums, tooth infections and a major loss in enamel. He also had high cholesterol and the doc wanted him to take statins. I started him on low dose probiotics at first and slowly increased it. He is now taking what I take - two doses a day of probiotics with 32 strains of bacteria at half a billion count per dose. We also added fermented foods. Guess what? Within 6 months, the bleeding, receding gums resolved themselves, his tooth enamel is much stronger and he is no longer in danger of losing any more teeth due to infection. His cholesterol level is normal now. The ONLY thing that changed in his life was the probiotics. His diet and everything else was the same.
I do not feel that probiotics helps in losing weight or affects metabolism. What it does is, paired with a good diet, improves your health so that you can make strides in your diet and exercise game which, in turn, boosts your opportunities to lose weight. To me, probiotics is a catalyst ...
Great example, while anecdotal, of how on the individual level, we should never shun any idea (that is safe and healthy, as probiotics usually are, not like VLCDs) as it may result in great results for the individual. For me, getting over my sugar intake and ignoring it lets me drink coffee. The result of banning myself from coffee is I QUIT. So clearly a mild overabundance of sugar is the right path for me, while for others increasing sugar intake would be horrible and detrimental.
The important take away is that neither of these things (sugar intake, probiotics) have anything to do with the very simple equation of CICO. They may have side-line, indirect, non-causative influences on an individual person's weight loss journey or health in general. And that's the extent of it. People are different individually, math is math period: there's some common knowledge.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »I agree that probiotics would be beneficial for the majority of people. I've been taking them for YEARS, both when I was overweight, and slim. So in my situation, they did not help me to lose weight.
The one and only thing that got me where I am now is not over eating.
And the proof that they are beneficial?0 -
Human physiology is pretty consistent from person to person when it comes to weight loss/weight gain/weight maintenance. Barring any health issues, a calorie surplus will cause weight gain, a calorie deficit weight loss, and calorie equaling calories burned weight maintenance.Myself is an example of it, and also almost everyone knows someone who eats well above the calorie intake daily and is slim as can be. If you do not know of it I feel like that is just denying for the sake of arguing... because it is impossible without seeing it on t.v (in documentaries) even Jennifer Lawrence for example would be evidence for. She often claims she never diets, and eats a lot of food (It is one of her favourite parts of her day) and remains slim. It's pretty common...
People who don't gain weight eating lots of high calorie foods are obviously burning them off. Those that don't will gain weight.
There's really no disputing that.
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christinev297 wrote: »I agree that probiotics would be beneficial for the majority of people. I've been taking them for YEARS, both when I was overweight, and slim. So in my situation, they did not help me to lose weight.
The one and only thing that got me where I am now is not over eating.
And the proof that they are beneficial?
Oh please don't take me down that road
Any link I provide will be counteracted by another one, and on It will go.
Given the over use of antibiotics and peoples dismal diet these days, they surely aren't going to hurt. Our gut has a delicate balance, I like to keep the odds on my side and not have the bad bacteria over run the good.
One example would be, every single time I took antibiotics I got a yeast infection. However once I started taking probiotics alongside them, and obviously before and after, zero yeast infections. For me, they are worth taking just for that beneficial side effect.0 -
christinev297 wrote: »christinev297 wrote: »I agree that probiotics would be beneficial for the majority of people. I've been taking them for YEARS, both when I was overweight, and slim. So in my situation, they did not help me to lose weight.
The one and only thing that got me where I am now is not over eating.
And the proof that they are beneficial?
Oh please don't take me down that road Any link I provide will be counteracted by another one, and on It will go.
Given the over use of antibiotics and peoples dismal diet these days, they surely aren't going to hurt. Our gut has a delicate balance, I like to keep the odds on my side and not have the bad bacteria over run the good.
One example would be, every single time I took antibiotics I got a yeast infection. However once I started taking probiotics alongside them, and obviously before and after, zero yeast infections. For me, they are worth taking just for that beneficial side effect.
Yup, I have one of those stories too. I was on antibiotics and not taking probiotics (I didn't know I'd have a problem) and ended up with said C. diff.
My last bout of antibiotics, I was taking 3 different ones and all is good.
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No... it didn't screw her motabolism up in that way, she was eating healthy and walking 4 hrs a day and was overweight. Plus she comes from a background of farming and eating right portions and still being heavier...those unfamiliar with farming, it is gruelling all day affair every day. So there's no reason with her diet and lifestyle that she was overweight at a young age especially when she speaks of what she ate being normal. I..e 1 egg, vedgies, and a glass of milk for breakfast for example.
It sounds like she has a thyroid condition. Those can be serious and should be treated. There are perception medications for people with hypothyroidism that will help loose the extra weight. It is a simple blood test to be diagnosed. She should see a doctor to be screened for that. It also runs in families so you too should have your doctor check your thyroid.0 -
I like probiotics. I drink Kefir nearly every day. At least in my experience, it has helped my digestion along, keeping me regular and well-formed if you get my drift. As I began eating less, I had more problems with my digestion and regularity. Kefir really seems to help.
But as for weight loss, the Kefir does not contribute at all. All that did the trick for weight loss was a noted absence of food.
I'm going to link this every time I hear another "common" claim.
http://www.senseaboutscience.org/data/files/resources/136/Ive-got-nothing-to-lose_web.pdf0 -
oohhh That's another thing I forgot about... Regularity
I can definitely feel the difference in a negative way if I stop taking them for a couple of weeks
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OP, MFP and other calorie logging apps are based entirely on CICO. Coming into a forum for those using CICO, and succeeding with it, and saying "CICO doesn't work! Please validate my wishful thinking that yogurt/kefir will make me thin!" Isn't going to get you too far. That should be common knowledge 0
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I was prescribed probiotics for digestive issues which have disappeared since taking them. They have been amazing for my tummy troubles but have done nothing for my weight. They are intended to help digestion, not make you lose weight.0
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Well "prescribed" as in the doc told me to take them and which brand she recommended...0
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Lol I will remember that and use it as needed.CoffeeNCardio wrote: »
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http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/46/Supplement_2/S96.long
This is a great article talking about the benefits of taking a probiotic. Does NOT mention weight, however.0 -
I started using a probiotic / enzyme combo (12 listed on the bottle ) along with some other suppliments when I started a low-ish carb plan, all doctor prescribed. I've lost weight, but I'm sure that's the diet, not the probiotics.
But I've always had constipation issues, more so when doing low carb, but not this time. For this reason. I am a fan. Look for one with a variety of bacteria and enzymes. You will probably have better luck buying on-line. I guess I am not supposed to say I like Primal Defense, eh?0
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