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Right, I'm an amazing cook, and only miss doing it professionally because I miss the time and access to materials.@dbmata considering you make your own hams, bacon, etc. I'm kind of surprised you're do excited about non food sustenance.
I don't view it as a non-food, as its base constituents are all food. For example. People rant, rave, and bloviate about how oatmeal is good for you right? The base for my drink is organic oats I keep store in vaccuum, and then grind precisely what I need to the fineness I want, at the time of making my drink mix. Chia seeds are teh kewlest, right? In there, I grind them immediately prior to mixing. Olive oil and coconut oil are viewed as quality lipids, no? I use cold pressed olive oil and an organic coconut oil. It goes on and on, but everything I'm using is the highest level of quality on the market I can find.
For me it's a matter of time, consistency, and it's right in my wheelhouse. I make weird stuff. The ham, bacon, pate, sausages, meat moussilines, cheese, etc. those are all the old school stuff I do. I engage in a lot of new school stuff now too, particularly molecular gastronomy, and I feel this fits in with that. Depending on which stabilizers I want to use, I can make a particular thickness for mouthfeel, etc. It's a fun gastronomical puzzle, that tastes good and lets me focus time during the weekdays on other things. That's all. If anything, I'd say the worst ingredient in it is my whey protein, I'm using the optimum nutrition performance whey isolate. I'll need to find a better ingredient, but if that's the worst in there, it's pretty dialed in then.
You should start your own company and market it! Those are some prime ingredients!0 -
It's an option that makes sense for people competing in ironman, and other endurance sports. Liquid nutrition has a higher uptake during stress periods, meaning it'll get into you quicker.
Look at how much people spend on stuff like HEED. I know I have spent way too much on it... there is a market. It would also get me back to looking at being a pro again. I always said I'd go back to cooking if I didn't have to listen to the people I'm cooking for. lol.0 -
It's an option that makes sense for people competing in ironman, and other endurance sports. Liquid nutrition has a higher uptake during stress periods, meaning it'll get into you quicker.
Look at how much people spend on stuff like HEED. I know I have spent way too much on it... there is a market. It would also get me back to looking at being a pro again. I always said I'd go back to cooking if I didn't have to listen to the people I'm cooking for. lol.
One thing that got me excited about DIY Soylent was for bicycle touring: I could mix it all up before I left and carry it with me. On a week long tour, I'd have less than 20lbs worth of food and I'd save a lot of money from eating out.0 -
I wonder about the value it would have for long distance alpine climbing expeditions. If you're shooting for a whole food, don't want to carry water weight, want to limit expelled waste, and something you can tailor to potentially high levels of caloric need... it makes potential sense. You can really take a strategic min/max approach to it.0
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I wonder about the value it would have for long distance alpine climbing expeditions. If you're shooting for a whole food, don't want to carry water weight, want to limit expelled waste, and something you can tailor to potentially high levels of caloric need... it makes potential sense. You can really take a strategic min/max approach to it.
Camping too. I feel like this is way more well rounded than the dehydrated eggs and soups we used to have when we'd hike to the campsite.0 -
This is a bizarre idea to me, because I love everything about food: the tastes and textures, the shopping, preparation, serving and sharing.
However, I have a friend who just isn't interested at all in food, and always said if she could just have an injection to cover it she would. I guess this is designed for people like her.![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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This is a bizarre idea to me, because I love everything about food: the tastes and textures, the shopping, preparation, serving and sharing.
However, I have a friend who just isn't interested at all in food, and always said if she could just have an injection to cover it she would. I guess this is designed for people like her.
I remember those shows about people who have weird (and extreme) quirks, and I saw a commercial for a woman who couldn't stand eating food. She was way underweight because of it, and she would blend some foods, and I think at one point convinced a doctor to give her a feeding tube, but she didn't actually need one. I would imagine someone like that would love this stuff because they could actually get all the nutrients they need.
And as just a meal replacement for people who are on the go or at school or whatever makes them too busy to eat, you probably can't beat the macros and calories.0 -
This is a bizarre idea to me, because I love everything about food: the tastes and textures, the shopping, preparation, serving and sharing.
However, I have a friend who just isn't interested at all in food, and always said if she could just have an injection to cover it she would. I guess this is designed for people like her.
I remember those shows about people who have weird (and extreme) quirks, and I saw a commercial for a woman who couldn't stand eating food. She was way underweight because of it, and she would blend some foods, and I think at one point convinced a doctor to give her a feeding tube, but she didn't actually need one. I would imagine someone like that would love this stuff because they could actually get all the nutrients they need.
And as just a meal replacement for people who are on the go or at school or whatever makes them too busy to eat, you probably can't beat the macros and calories.
This. Think "college student." No money, no time. Cheap and easy/fast way to get complete (or as complete as we know) nutrition.
Today, got a big bonus (well, I worked overtime) and I've been going at life pretty hard, so I decided to treat myself for lunch and breakfast. Now, my joints are sore and I feel lethargic. I was also hungry before lunch rolled around, even though I ate more calories than what my breakfast shake contained.
I'm starting to think there really is something to this stuff.
Note: I have a DIY formula and I would not recommend this to someone as a full-time thing if they can afford and have time for a healthy, well-balanced diet.0 -
chivalryder wrote: »This is a bizarre idea to me, because I love everything about food: the tastes and textures, the shopping, preparation, serving and sharing.
However, I have a friend who just isn't interested at all in food, and always said if she could just have an injection to cover it she would. I guess this is designed for people like her.
I remember those shows about people who have weird (and extreme) quirks, and I saw a commercial for a woman who couldn't stand eating food. She was way underweight because of it, and she would blend some foods, and I think at one point convinced a doctor to give her a feeding tube, but she didn't actually need one. I would imagine someone like that would love this stuff because they could actually get all the nutrients they need.
And as just a meal replacement for people who are on the go or at school or whatever makes them too busy to eat, you probably can't beat the macros and calories.
This. Think "college student." No money, no time. Cheap and easy/fast way to get complete (or as complete as we know) nutrition.
Today, got a big bonus (well, I worked overtime) and I've been going at life pretty hard, so I decided to treat myself for lunch and breakfast. Now, my joints are sore and I feel lethargic. I was also hungry before lunch rolled around, even though I ate more calories than what my breakfast shake contained.
I'm starting to think there really is something to this stuff.
Note: I have a DIY formula and I would not recommend this to someone as a full-time thing if they can afford and have time for a healthy, well-balanced diet.
I think this is what a lot of people are missing too. It's going to be right and work for some people but wouldn't for a lot of others. It's a good option for those that want it.0 -
I ordered it but know it will be months before I get it. I signed up for a subscription of a two week supply that, I figure, should last me a month. I don't want to replace eating completely, just free up time with food prep and clean up. As long as it is relatively nutritious and sates me between meals, I'm really liking the idea.
I cannot quite understand, yet, how to formulate a DIY version that will fit my needs. There is a Clean Schmoylent version that, along with the recipes I've gotten here, looks interesting.
There is a video on the front DIY page. There are also a few YouTube videos showing how to do it. If you still cannot figure it out, I strongly advise against trying a DIY recipe.0 -
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It is exactly the same idea - meal replacement to cover all nutritional needs. Only difference is how the requirements are being defined.
Instead of calling it Soylent, it could just as easily be called DIY Shakeology.0 -
And oh gosh, look at this...recipes for Shakeology!
http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/chocolate-peanut-butter-banana-shakeology
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And oh gosh, look at this...recipes for Shakeology!
http://diy.soylent.me/recipes/chocolate-peanut-butter-banana-shakeology
Well, except the shakeology is being used as an ingredient (and seriously, that would kill the inexpensive reasoning behind soylent) in a DIY soylent. Because it's essentially just protein powder.0 -
It is exactly the same idea - meal replacement to cover all nutritional needs. Only difference is how the requirements are being defined.
Instead of calling it Soylent, it could just as easily be called DIY Shakeology.
Not quite. One is a meal replacement within a normal food diet, sold as a revenue generating health drink. The other is an attempt to deliver complete nutrient profile as a single source of food, at minimal cost.
While I don't buy it - and have given my reserves upstream - it's disingeneous to compare one to the other.0 -
I've done Shakeology and was not impressed. It was very expensive and tasted like fluff.
I'm interested in Soylent for a large percentage of nutrients, but also to compliment it with eating healthful foods. I really like the idea and hope that it works for me in the way I desire. And I think that there is a good chance that it can happen based on the review of its users.
It may not be for everyone, but I think that those who are not interested should just bow out of the discussion gracefully.
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Quick Soylent follow up - SO and I went out for steaks last night (to celebrate Pi Day, of course!) and going from all-Soylent to a 12-oz sirloin was a bit tiresome for my system. Woke up feeling hungover. After resuming Soylent and getting a good workout in, I'm feeling much better. I wonder if people who switch suddenly from vegetarianism to eating meat have similar issues? All I know is, Soylent never makes me tired or hungover. 0 -
I don't get that reaction so quickly and enjoy the occasional steak as a snack. I have found that going a few days without Soylent will affect me and I will start craving it, but only after a few days. With that being said, I will admit that I have ignored the signals of my body for most of my life (hence why I am trying to lose weight) and it might take me longer than most to catch those signs.
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chivalryder wrote: »mumblemagic wrote: »I wonder how much of the increased energy is actually due to increased hydration. Since two people who reported this were on separate liquid diets - juice cleanse and soylent.
I drink as much water now as I did before I started drinking my DIY soylent. I have more energy now than I did then.
But you're also consuming the water you put in soylent, which means you're drinking more?
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Oh, hell no. I enjoy food.0
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I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Feel free not to read my posts. But there are other people reading this thread who may not be aware of Soylent's drawbacks If you're fine with getting most of your nutrition from maltodextrin and liquid vitamin supplements then go for it.
We'll have to wait for actual research to be performed to know if Soylent is actually "healthy." Although I'm not aware of any respectable research studies that are currently being conducted on it.
re: the bolded sentences, what are Soylent's drawbacks people aren't aware of if actual research hasn't been performed yet?
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mumblemagic wrote: »chivalryder wrote: »mumblemagic wrote: »I wonder how much of the increased energy is actually due to increased hydration. Since two people who reported this were on separate liquid diets - juice cleanse and soylent.
I drink as much water now as I did before I started drinking my DIY soylent. I have more energy now than I did then.
But you're also consuming the water you put in soylent, which means you're drinking more?
Not necessarily. I used to eat 3x per day. In the morning, I would drink 1-1 1/2 of my 1L water bottle. In the afternoon, I would drink about the same, then more in the evening. Now, with Soylent, I drink about 500mL with the powder 4x per day, plus maybe 1L from my bottle in the morning and maybe 1L in the afternoon, then a few glasses in the evening. You also have to take into account the amount of water I was getting from my food (which was a substantial amount as food is mostly water), I'd say it's pretty much the same amount.0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Feel free not to read my posts. But there are other people reading this thread who may not be aware of Soylent's drawbacks If you're fine with getting most of your nutrition from maltodextrin and liquid vitamin supplements then go for it.
We'll have to wait for actual research to be performed to know if Soylent is actually "healthy." Although I'm not aware of any respectable research studies that are currently being conducted on it.
re: the bolded sentences, what are Soylent's drawbacks people aren't aware of if actual research hasn't been performed yet?
I honestly can't say and no one knows. What I do know is that what I'm doing, with the DIY variant, 99% of what I'm eating is coming from real food (grains, seeds, legumes, soon to be berries and such as well). It's just dehydrated.
If you do what the creator originally intended, and get all of the micros from a raw, chemical source then there might be some issues long term, as other posters have touched base on, but no one really knows if that is true or not. All you can do right now is hypothesize.0 -
TheBeachgod wrote: »I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Feel free not to read my posts. But there are other people reading this thread who may not be aware of Soylent's drawbacks If you're fine with getting most of your nutrition from maltodextrin and liquid vitamin supplements then go for it.
We'll have to wait for actual research to be performed to know if Soylent is actually "healthy." Although I'm not aware of any respectable research studies that are currently being conducted on it.
re: the bolded sentences, what are Soylent's drawbacks people aren't aware of if actual research hasn't been performed yet?
I already discussed them in more detail previously in this thread.
the short version: Soylent (not DIY) falls into the category of highly processed food. Many of the ingredients like maltodextrin are not considered healthy. And using it frequently is probably not sustainable in the long run for most. All of these are traits make it undesirable.
Since there is no data specifically done on Soylent, we can only extrapolate data done on similar products.
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Thanks for the concise reply.0
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TheBeachgod wrote: »I'm sorry if you don't like what I'm saying. Feel free not to read my posts. But there are other people reading this thread who may not be aware of Soylent's drawbacks If you're fine with getting most of your nutrition from maltodextrin and liquid vitamin supplements then go for it.
We'll have to wait for actual research to be performed to know if Soylent is actually "healthy." Although I'm not aware of any respectable research studies that are currently being conducted on it.
re: the bolded sentences, what are Soylent's drawbacks people aren't aware of if actual research hasn't been performed yet?
I already discussed them in more detail previously in this thread.
the short version: Soylent (not DIY) falls into the category of highly processed food. Many of the ingredients like maltodextrin are not considered healthy. And using it frequently is probably not sustainable in the long run for most. All of these are traits make it undesirable.
Since there is no data specifically done on Soylent, we can only extrapolate data done on similar products.
^This.
This is also why I don't recommend people who already have healthy diets or have the means (and ability) to eat healthy foods, they should do so. This product, or DIY version, is not for them.0 -
**Zombie Thread**
Old thread, I know. No sense making a new one. Been on Soylent for a while. Very convenient. Only meal I eat during the day is dinner with the wife/family. Other than that, if I'm working nightshift, weekends, holidays and am unable to be around friends and family due to work, I drink a full days worth of it. Soylent has been VERY convenient!
I hit all my daily micro/macros completely.
Ordering it now no longer takes months for it to get to me. I order and it arrives two days later. Every time!
I order the pre-made bottles instead of having to mix it like I used too.
I'm not recommending it at all, to anyone. I'm just saying it works perfectly fine for me, all the time. I have not had any issues physically from drinking it. I don't feel sick. I can't say I have more energy but I don't have any less either. No weird feelings. Nothing! Just a great feeling of normal, if that makes sense.
I do eat fruit or nuts in between if I feel 'greedy'. I drink a ton of water, some coffee, some green tea.
That's all I can say on this. I've simply gotten used to drinking a bottle and carrying on with my business. It's really convenient.0 -
Where I am is that while the raw materials for cooking "real food" may be cheaper, the time cost isn't. Yeh, I could buy rice and beans, but the beans are going to take a day to soak before I can cook them, the rice will take at least 20 minutes to cook if I'm buying "real" rice, and the beans will take about 2x that time. So, that's a minimum of 40 minutes to cook, and however long it takes me to eat it. That's, what, an hour of my day? For ONE MEAL. Multiple that by 2-3 meals a day, and let's just say I'm working multiple jobs to get by. Where am I supposed to find a minimum of 2-3 hours a day just to cook, and still not get complete nutrition?
And that's assuming I have every had anyone teach me that's a reasonable food to eat, that I know how to cook (all those fuzzy directions - why aren't they concrete?! WTF is "medium heat"?), that I have access to the stuff I would need to cook it (pots, pans, stoves) or keep it (fridge) to cook in bulk, and a way to get to and from a store that sells those items.
There's a whole lot of assumptions that go into the argument it's cheaper/ easier/ faster to "just cook real food."0 -
I love Soylent; I've been using it off/on for almost a year. Haven't tried the liquid version; I like the powder version as I can customize it more easily.0
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