Why do most fastfood items have less calories internaionally?

Hey everyone,

I'm originally from the U.S. and I moved to the Netherlands a few years back. I'm not sure if anyone noticed or realized this, but most of the menu items have less calories in the Netherlands than at the U.S. Mc Donalds. I was wondering if anyone know why this is. I really am curious. I noticed it with every fast food chain here, Mc Donalds, BK, Subway, KFC, ect. It's not a huge calorie change generally, but I'm just curious why it is different. I would assume that every fastfood chain has the same calories in the big items like a Big Mac since I would think there prepared the same. Here are 2 comparisons:

Burger King:

Whopper U.S.: 650 calories
Orginal long Chicken U.S.: 660 calories
Big King U.S.: 530 calories

Whopper Netherlands: 617.6 calories
Orginal long Chicken Netherlands: 576.6 calories
Big King Netherlands: 477.9 calories

Mc Donalds:
Big Mac U.S.: 540 calories
Quarter Pounder with cheese U.S.: 540 calories
Filet O Fish U.S.: 390 calories
Mc Flurry U.S. small: 430 calories

Big Mac Netherlands: 509 calories
Quarter Pounder with cheese Netherlands: 527 calories
Filet O fish Netherlands: 333 calories
Mc Flurry Netherlands Small: 346 calories
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  • DemoraFairy
    DemoraFairy Posts: 1,806 Member
    I would say a combination of the US expecting larger portion sizes, more of certain ingredients like salt and sugar, and possibly the fact that some ingredients are banned in certain countries, so calories may change if they need to use a different ingredient to work around that. I suspect it's mostly portion size.

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  • cityruss
    cityruss Posts: 2,493 Member
    Size.
  • 100df
    100df Posts: 668 Member
    Amazing! I didn't know this. I would like to know the reasoning.
  • jenniator
    jenniator Posts: 475 Member
    edited December 2015
    Thanks guys :) I'm guessing it may be size too. I thought the size difference was only in drinks though. I thought a big mac for example was the same size at every mc donalds.
  • ultrahoon
    ultrahoon Posts: 467 Member
    Portion size for the most part. Sometimes the whole item is larger, sometimes it just has more dressing etc. Sometimes they just have a different source of cheese / buns between continents.

  • Pawsforme
    Pawsforme Posts: 645 Member
    Agreeing about portion size. America is rather infamous for our (outrageous) portion sizes.
  • Clarewho
    Clarewho Posts: 494 Member
    Agreed. When I came to the US on holiday many years ago I was amazed by the size of portions. Although I do think in UK we are now catching up.
  • kuranda10
    kuranda10 Posts: 593 Member
    The Big Mac US vs Big Mac Australia is HUGE, 550 calories to 493.
    This is also evident when just looking at the burger itself. I laughed the first time I saw one down here. more $$ for far less burger.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    Different labelling rules apply. Fibre isn't a carb in the EU for example so subtle differences arise with the exact same food.
  • kshama2001
    kshama2001 Posts: 28,052 Member
    Pawsforme wrote: »
    Agreeing about portion size. America is rather infamous for our (outrageous) portion sizes.

    I had dinner Saturday at an upscale Italian restaurant and could actually finish the entree without being overly stuffed. 99% of the time I eat out I can bring home half of the entree because half a serving is plenty.
  • nordlead2005
    nordlead2005 Posts: 1,303 Member
    Part of the reason portion sizes are bigger in the US is because our food is so cheap relative to our income - http://www.ibtimes.com/us-spends-less-food-any-other-country-world-maps-1546945

    When food is cheap, we can serve bigger portions, which are more appealing when you are competing against another company that sells the same quality food for the same price (people equate portion size with quality). Even McDonald's UK website tries to answer this question (why UK portions are smaller) by saying it is the best value for the money. If McDonald's UK could make the portion bigger and make more profit they would, but they would probably have to raise menu prices which wouldn't be accepted by their customers at this time.

  • kuranda10
    kuranda10 Posts: 593 Member
    What cracks me up is I have to argue with them to give me more than 4 ice cubes. Guys you're saving product if you give me what I want.
    Do Aussies really rather a full cup of warm soda?
  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,399 Member
    Lots of factors come into it. Beyond labeling laws, logistics, average size of population, etc you also have things like different varieties of meat mixes, local supplies of certain things, etc.
  • ericGold15
    ericGold15 Posts: 318 Member
    I'll bet on portion size for soda and chips, then amount of fat -- cheese, for example for the burgers.

    I see adverts in the US for cheese on bacon on burger sandwiches. Does that even exist in Europe ?
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    Some of it is portion size. Some of it is the US's tendency to use corn oil / high fructose corn syrup in everything. When you go to other countries, you'll find that other ingredients are used in their stead, which can have variable calorie levels. Corn is heavily subsidized in the US, which is why it's in everything.
  • jenniator
    jenniator Posts: 475 Member
    ericGold15 wrote: »
    I'll bet on portion size for soda and chips, then amount of fat -- cheese, for example for the burgers.

    I see adverts in the US for cheese on bacon on burger sandwiches. Does that even exist in Europe ?

    If your asking if there are burgers with bacon and cheese in Europe, then yes there are :D In the Netherlands, we also have burgers that are crazy high in calories and over the top. We have a burger here at our Mc Donalds called the Big Tasty and it's 885 calories!! It comes with bacon and 2 pieces of cheese. Burger king over here is really crazy with their calories like in America. They have some bugers that reach over 1,000 calories for just the burger!!! We also have double and triple whoppers which is really sad since the normal whopper is more than enough food :(
  • jenniator
    jenniator Posts: 475 Member
    edited December 2015
    Thanks everyone for answering :D I bet it is the portion size or a different ingredients. It is pretty funny still :) But yeah it is sad how big the portions are in the U.S. I lived there for 21 years and now I've been here in the Netherlands for 2 in a half years so I really see the difference!! In America when you go out to eat anywhere, they give you so much food that your totally stuffed and can't finish everything. A lot of people in America including the old me love the feeling of being stuffed and they don't want less food. In Europe, the restaurants give you a lot less food so that you aren't stuffed or full, but your satisfied. It's not normal here to be stuffed of very full after a meal and a lot of people here don't like that feeling. Pretty funny and a different change when I first came here. But it has helped me a lot since I'm losing weight. Me and my husband went to America in October and it was a total shock since I wasn't back home in 2 in a half years. It's a guilty pleasure of me to admit, but I loved the huge over sized portion sizes :blush: I mean I grew up eating such huge portions and I've been losing weight for a long time, so it was a wonderful treat to just let myself go a bit. It didn't hurt me too much since we were only on vacation for 2 weeks. I did notice a huge change in myself though. Before I could clean off my plate no problem. Now this time, I couldn't finish everything all the time ha ha. But yeah it was a wonderful experience short term, it would be a huge problem long-term to always eat like that. The smartest thing would be to set half aside for later, but unfortunately not everyone does that :( With everything larger than life and giving huger portions than we ever need, I can see how so many people are overweight or obese. Especially since we don't exercise enough. It really is a shame.
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    jenniator wrote: »
    In Europe, the restaurants give you a lot less food so that you aren't stuffed or full, but your satisfied. It's not normal here to be stuffed of very full after a meal and a lot of people here don't like that feeling.

    Because I'm very small (5'1" / 106lbs), to me, portion sizes everywhere are far too big. In the US, they're excessively too big, but even here in Canada or in Europe or elsewhere, they're still too big for me if they're meant for a normal sized person.

    I've just gotten very comfortable ordering smaller snack-sized portions, sharing food, taking half home, or simply sending the rest back uneaten. It's waste food either way; better in the trash than on my hips.

    The biggest weight loss learning for me has been that, even at maintenance, I can't go to a restaurant and "clean my plate" without gaining. Those portions are meant for average-sized men, not below-average sized women.

  • jenniator
    jenniator Posts: 475 Member
    segacs wrote: »
    jenniator wrote: »
    In Europe, the restaurants give you a lot less food so that you aren't stuffed or full, but your satisfied. It's not normal here to be stuffed of very full after a meal and a lot of people here don't like that feeling.

    Because I'm very small (5'1" / 106lbs), to me, portion sizes everywhere are far too big. In the US, they're excessively too big, but even here in Canada or in Europe or elsewhere, they're still too big for me if they're meant for a normal sized person.

    I've just gotten very comfortable ordering smaller snack-sized portions, sharing food, taking half home, or simply sending the rest back uneaten. It's waste food either way; better in the trash than on my hips.

    The biggest weight loss learning for me has been that, even at maintenance, I can't go to a restaurant and "clean my plate" without gaining. Those portions are meant for average-sized men, not below-average sized women.

    That's very true :( It's unfortunately if your smaller. I'm 5'5, so I'm able to eat more. But yeah the portions in the U.S. are excessively too big!! I can see how the portions would be too big for you even in Canada or Europe. You really have to be careful what you eat being smaller since it's so easy to gain weight eating foods that are larger portion and meant for taller people. It is better to waste food than to force yourself to eat it and gain weight. Me personally, I love that in the U.S. the portions are so excessive since I love bringing leftovers home and eating it later that night or the next day :D I think you wouldn't feel uncomfortable bringing home portions or sharing with someone :) I see plenty of people do that! It's also cheaper since if you take food home, it lasts a lot longer than eating it all in one sitting.
  • singingflutelady
    singingflutelady Posts: 8,736 Member
    Canada has big portion sizes too. Bigger than Europe
  • segacs
    segacs Posts: 4,599 Member
    Canada has big portion sizes too. Bigger than Europe

    Yes, though Europe isn't a monolith either. And neither is Canada. I agree with you on average, but it depends what and where. If you eat at chain restaurants, you'll tend to see bigger portion sizes than you would at little indie bistros or local places.
  • BurnWithBarn2015
    BurnWithBarn2015 Posts: 1,026 Member
    edited December 2015
    I went from Holland to the US so can imagine how you feel lol

    But it is not only the Fast Food it is also other foods
    Yogurt and Milk for example have less calories in Holland. Less sugars too.
    Lot of food have less sugar and salt.

    Mayonaise a good example lol
    Very salty in the US less in Holland. And yes you can indeed eat more in Holland for the same amount of calories

    Some explanation to that for people who say milk is milk etc.
    It depends what kind of hormones and food a cow get. Like blue fat grass cows produce other milk than cows that eat only hay or corn mixtures etc. And the difference can be as high as 20 calories for a cup of milk or yogurt. So same full milk as in the US.
    This is for as far the dairy difference

    But meat get not injected with salt ( like the US chicken breasts) or less. The rules for that is heavier in Europe.


    A normal thing like an apple in grams even have less calories ( Holland has less sun so the apple is less sweet so less sugar in it)
    etc etc lol

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  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    I've also noticed some inconsistency. A big mac where I live is 511 calories for example, but a quarter pounder with cheese is 599, so even things that have similar ingredients are not necessarily consistent in being higher or lower in calories.
  • Kimegatron
    Kimegatron Posts: 772 Member
    The quality of their food is better too, I believe. Man I miss Mcdonalds seasoned potato wedges served with a side of sour cream. Mcdonald's veggie burgers were pretty awesome, too! Everything there seems so much more fresh, and the Mcdonald's Cafe is really nice, too!
  • Colorscheme
    Colorscheme Posts: 1,179 Member
    Less sugar, salt and fat. Remember that here in the US, sugar and corn are subsidized by the US govt.
  • charlieandcarol
    charlieandcarol Posts: 302 Member
    As a visitor to the US I would say portion size for sure but also I couldn't get over how sweet normal commercially made bread is in the US. It tastes like dessert buns or something. I had to go to a village market and buy some home made sourdough bread in order to not feel like I was having some revolting dessert salad sandwich. So maybe like said above its the HFCS that seems to go into everything?
  • 007Aggie
    007Aggie Posts: 110 Member
    As a visitor to the US I would say portion size for sure but also I couldn't get over how sweet normal commercially made bread is in the US. It tastes like dessert buns or something. I had to go to a village market and buy some home made sourdough bread in order to not feel like I was having some revolting dessert salad sandwich. So maybe like said above its the HFCS that seems to go into everything?

    As an American, I HATE the sweet bread. I haven't eaten much wheat/whole grain bread in my life because of how sweet it is. With the recent push to market whole grains, there are some good supermarket alternatives now. Thank goodness.
  • Soopatt
    Soopatt Posts: 563 Member
    You beat me to it - that sweet bread? Ewww... also tons of sugar in spaghetti sauce and that sort of thing - my taste buds don't know what to do with that (they don't like it).

    Portion sizes are definitely different. I have visited the US and was amazed. When I use the data base I know I cannot trust the US McDonalds entries, which is why you will see (Aus) in brackets behind many entries. The Australian portions are pretty close to what we experience here in South Africa.

    The difference in some things is astounding. Your McFlurries are twice the size and there is cream and stuff on top of the shakes - that is all extra calories.

    Any brand that comes here from the US tones it down a bit to suit the local palette.
  • fuelednfit
    fuelednfit Posts: 177 Member
    Its the portion size, whenever we go to the US we are amazed by the size of the burgers and drinks and everything they serve. Even the amount of condiments.
  • Likichina
    Likichina Posts: 50 Member
    That's odd! I'm originally from Brazil and I always tell my husband Mcdonalds stuff tastes a lot better there (I swear it does!!), I just checked the nutritional menu in the Brazilian McDonalds site and a Big Mac has 494 calories for example, compared to the US 540 cal or Netherlands 509 cal. I honestly don't remember the burgers being that different in size, only the fries and drinks. The only thing that I know is that we don't really see high fructose corn syrup in food labels there, while here it appears to be in almost anything processed... Maybe that has something to do with it.

    As a side-note, a normal Coca-Cola is also WAY sweeter here in the US compared to a Brazilian one.